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[syfodyas]

Well Sony has managed to put together a great looking launch lineup, so I'm not surpised by the huge interest in the system.

Only a very very few of that list can be considered system sellers - even that is debatable. Where Sony have their work cut out is in convincing people that the PS3 is worth £425 next to the Xbox 360 £199 (core) and Nintendo Wii £180. Without the AAA titles, only the hardcore gamer/sony fan will buy.
We should also consider that many of these titles are available more cheaply on Xbox360, chances are gamers have played these games already and have no interest in investing in an expensive system to play them again.

Also, I think we should not be so quick to applaude Sony for the european launch. The only reason so many titles are available is because of frequency of delays of the console.

 

[Forsete]

Only a very very few of that list can be considered system sellers - even that is debatable.

Well people seem to like what they have seen so far.

System sellers are (IMO)

Resistance - Has gotten very good reviews and a lot of attention on the internets.
MotorStorm - Very hyped, everyone is talking about it. Positive previews in the mainstream media.
F1 - Has its usual crowd here in Yurop.
VF5 - Not sure how popular this is on the big scale, but I know quite a few people who are buying PS3 thanks to VF5.

Not bad for a totally new system, certainly better than what PS2 and X360 managed to scrap together for the EU launch.

 

[bud]

They've got some great system seller for launch but VF5 isn't one imo

 

[wazoo]

Only a very very few of that list can be considered system sellers - even that is debatable. Where Sony have their work cut out is in convincing people that the PS3 is worth £425 next to the Xbox 360 £199 (core) and Nintendo Wii £180. Without the AAA titles, only the hardcore gamer/sony fan will buy.
We should also consider that many of these titles are available more cheaply on Xbox360, chances are gamers have played these games already and have no interest in investing in an expensive system to play them again.

Also, I think we should not be so quick to applaude Sony for the european launch. The only reason so many titles are available is because of frequency of delays of the console.

Hum, I disagree on the price gap. First, the X360 core pack does not seem to sell well (both pack do not sell really well in Europe, but the core pack is the worst) on one side, on the other side, the 425 price is for the 60GB pack with the 20GB pack coming this summer.

After the "possible" lauch sell out, the comparison will be between 399E and 499E in Europe.

 

[plagiarize]

Actually what Seiken said was that he really wanted PS3 back in November -like I did- but now that we're near the launch the delay seems like a better idea because we didn't become the guinea pigs and we have an amazing launch lineup. He never said he didn't want it in November or that he wish he didn't have it right now -there's a difference there. Anyway like I said in my previous post I wasn't directing my post to a specific person since there's so much bullshit and damage control in this thread.

Mcmas was talking to Gutter Trash originally, and it was his comment to him that i concurred with. gutter trash was essentially saying 'i wish the us launch had been delayed too' and i just agreed with mcmas in saying that i thought that was a crazy thing to wish for... but lets not belabour this point.

 

[syfodyas]

Well people seem to like what they have seen so far.

System sellers are (IMO)

Resistance - Has gotten very good reviews and a lot of attention on the internets.
MotorStorm - Very hyped, everyone is talking about it. Positive previews in the mainstream media.
F1 - Has its usual crowd here in Yurop.
VF5 - Not sure how popular this is on the big scale, but I know quite a few people who are buying PS3 thanks to VF5.

Not bad for a totally new system, certainly better than what PS2 and X360 managed to scrap together for the EU launch.

Opinions are great arent they.
None of the games are SYSTEM SELLERS though are they? None of them are huge franchises such as Zelda, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear which have a reputation that is acknowleged by the mainstream.

You really think someone will spend half a grand to play F1?


Resistance- yet another FPS in a very crowded FPS market. Not a system seller as you have to love FPS's to dig it. Not mainstream friendly.

F1 No way should this be considered a system seller.

Motorstorm - As much a system seller as Excitetruck was for the Wii.

VF5 - Id say yes for Japan, although sales figures have shocked us all. But for Europe, no way is any VF game a system seller.

 

[syfodyas]

Hum, I disagree on the price gap. First, the X360 core pack does not seem to sell well (both pack do not sell really well in Europe, but the core pack is the worst) on one side, on the other side, the 425 price is for the 60GB pack with the 20GB pack coming this summer.

After the "possible" lauch sell out, the comparison will be between 399E and 499E in Europe.

Are consumers aware of this though?
At the end of the day they see two consoles on shelves, with pretty much the same games. One is significantly cheaper than the other..
Sony needed a mainstream AAA game at launch.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Opinions are great arent they.
None of the games are SYSTEM SELLERS though are they? None of them are huge franchises such as Zelda, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear which have a reputation that is acknowleged by the mainstream.

You really think someone will spend half a grand to play F1?

Maybe not, but they might spend half a grand to play Resistance, F1, VF5, and Motorstorm. A handful of A titles can add up to one installment of a system selling franchise, particularly at a system launch.

 

[syfodyas]

Maybe not, but they might spend half a grand to play Resistance, F1, VF5, and Motorstorm. A handful of A titles can add up to one installment of a system selling franchise, particularly at a system launch.

Doubtful.

Let me list some system sellers in no particular order:

Super Mario 64
Wii Sports
Halo
Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess
Final Fantasy VII
Ridge Racer (original)
Daytona USA

now do you see the difference?

 

[Forsete]

Opinions are great arent they.
None of the games are SYSTEM SELLERS though are they? None of them are huge franchises such as Zelda, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear which have a reputation that is acknowleged by the mainstream.

You really think someone will spend half a grand to play F1?

Yes opinions are awesome! Everybody has one, including you who seems to think PS3 does not have any system sellers at all.

You have to agree, Resistance and MotorStorm are pretty big titles. The rest (F1 and possibly VF5) are big for their crowd. F1 for example is pretty popular in Europe, I'm sure it will sell systems.

Remember, SSX was not a huge franchise when it launched with the PS2, yet is sold a shit ton of systems. Games does not have to be huge franchises to sell systems, just good games (well, not always ) that appeal to people. MotorStorm is one, Resistance is another I think.

 

[radioheadrule83]

I'm not sure how much faith to place in a blog based on purely anecdotal evidence from someone who doesn't even know when PS3 is launching. There's a vague hint of not enough research around this one...

I don't place much stock at all in the article, but the comments below are typical of people conversations I've been hearing and even reflective of what some people are saying here.

I said it in another thread recently -- the PS3 has had a pre-sale period as long as the PSPs. And that was the most successful pre-order campaign this country's ever known until now. But look at PSP. It's what happens when launch fervor dies down and stock is coming in that matters. Personally, I still don't believe Sony are giving the average gamer a good deal yet. £425 is just ridiculous. For the kind of kids, teens and twenty somethings who'll want to buy it most, thats still a sizable chunk of their monthly pay.

It's the same for any launch though -- it's not necessarily the launch that determines how they'll do in the race. That should probably be at the forefront of the minds of Nintendo (who are still riding the crest of the wave) and Microsoft (who have enjoyed such a great head start).

 

[syfodyas]

Yes opinions are awesome! Everybody has one, including you who seems to think PS3 does not have any system sellers at all.

You have to agree, Resistance and MotorStorm are pretty big titles. The rest (F1 and possibly VF5) are big for their crowd. F1 for example is pretty popular in Europe, I'm sure it will sell systems.

Remember, SSX was not a huge franchise when it launched with the PS2, yet is sold a shit ton of systems. Games does not have to be huge franchises to sell systems, just good games (well, not always ) that appeal to people. MotorStorm is one, Resistance is another I think.

I never said the PS3 had none, I said it had none yet. Although I considered VF5 a system seller in Japan for sure.

Resistance and Motorstorm will not push systems at all in my opinion. Apart from the graphics (which are no better that what we have seen from 360) Motorstorm is a very generic racer - okay, with added 'tilt' but the public wont give a damn. Ridge Racer 7 will sell more than motorstorm.

Im from Europe myself (UK) and I assure you that I do not know one single person who will lay down half a grand because of a F1 game.

 

[Roders5]

Personally I don't see the launch lineup as the reason why there are alot of preorders, I think it's just the fact that the playstation brand is so powerful here. These people would buy it whatever the games. Sony's marketing was brilliant over the years and you won't be cool unless you have a ps3. I think we might see the positive effects of good launch software a little further down the line.

 

[syfodyas]

I don't place much stock at all in the article,).

The Guardian Blog has just as much validity as that Woolworths statement on Digital Spy. Want to know the truth? Ask someone who WORKS for a retailer. Ask them about pre orders. I know for a fact that GAME employees have been discouraged to mention the actual price of the PS3 or display it prominantly in pre-order posters/leaflets etc.
There IS an interest in PS3 but the price is proving to be too much of a deterant.

 

[Aisenherz]

Opinions are great arent they.
None of the games are SYSTEM SELLERS though are they? None of them are huge franchises such as Zelda, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear which have a reputation that is acknowleged by the mainstream.

You really think someone will spend half a grand to play F1?


Resistance- yet another FPS in a very crowded FPS market. Not a system seller as you have to love FPS's to dig it. Not mainstream friendly.

F1 No way should this be considered a system seller.

Motorstorm - As much a system seller as Excitetruck was for the Wii.

VF5 - Id say yes for Japan, although sales figures have shocked us all. But for Europe, no way is any VF game a system seller.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Goldrusher]

These games will do great in Europe:

Resistance: Fall of Man™ - SCEE - Disc
MotorStorm™ - SCEE - Disc
FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION - SCEE - Disc
Tekken®: Dark Resurrection - SCEE - Network
Call of Duty 3 - Activision UK Ltd - Disc
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Activision UK Ltd - Disc
Tony Hawk’s Project 8 - Activision UK Ltd - Disc
Virtua Fighter™ 5 - Sega®Europe Ltd - Disc
Virtua Tennis™ 3 - Sega®Europe Ltd - Disc
World Snooker Championship 2007 - Sega®Europe Ltd - Disc
Enchanted Arms - Ubisoft Entertainment SA - Disc
Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Double Agent - Ubisoft Entertainment SA - Disc
The Godfather: The Don’s Edition - Electronic Arts Ltd - Disc

System sellers, maybe Resistance, MotorStorm and Formula One. If there's a smoother Tony Hawk, maybe that one too. But as much fun and popular the series is, the American PS3 game has too many framedrops.

 

[Wollan]

If I were to recommend purchases for people (outside of Network titles) it would be:

Resistance, MotorStorm, Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, Oblivion, Ridge Racer 7 and F1.

 

[Darren316]

personally i find this hard to believe, as the woolworths where i live int eh UK will only take deposits of £420 ..and they will not guarente the system day 1 eventhough they want the full RRP up front

also after reading the Ege review of F1 where it was give a 4/10 i'm shocked people are calling this a system seller

 

[the-iek]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a42660/playstation-3-enjoys-record-pre-orders.html?rss

Finally some good news.

well, I did pre-order three ps3s. 3 for me and 0 for you. zeeeerooo.

 

[fortified_concept]

Opinions are great arent they.
None of the games are SYSTEM SELLERS though are they? None of them are huge franchises such as Zelda, Final Fantasy or Metal Gear which have a reputation that is acknowleged by the mainstream.

You really think someone will spend half a grand to play F1?


Resistance- yet another FPS in a very crowded FPS market. Not a system seller as you have to love FPS's to dig it. Not mainstream friendly.

F1 No way should this be considered a system seller.

Motorstorm - As much a system seller as Excitetruck was for the Wii.

VF5 - Id say yes for Japan, although sales figures have shocked us all. But for Europe, no way is any VF game a system seller.

Resistance and MotorStorm aren't system sellers? I kindly disagree.

 

[dante786]

So this is probably a pretty ignorant question, but can the ps3 play dvd's too, and if so does it upscale them or no?

 

[Katana_Strikes]

I never said the PS3 had none, I said it had none yet. Although I considered VF5 a system seller in Japan for sure.

Resistance and Motorstorm will not push systems at all in my opinion. Apart from the graphics (which are no better that what we have seen from 360) Motorstorm is a very generic racer - okay, with added 'tilt' but the public wont give a damn. Ridge Racer 7 will sell more than motorstorm.

Im from Europe myself (UK) and I assure you that I do not know one single person who will lay down half a grand because of a F1 game.

LOLLERSKATES:lol

I think that just about negates your opinion here.

What planet are you on?

System sellers are subjectional to different people. Someone may think Genji is a system seller for example. Buying a system at launch isn't just for a few games you'd buy at launch anyways, it's also for all the games you'll buy after. An investment.

It's your opinion that the PS3 doesn't have a system seller. But many do and will buy one for that. Being able to play Resistance, MotorStorm and VF5 is enough reason for me to invest. Just because you don't know anyone willing to place that amount of money doesn't mean there isn't anyone out there willing.

Look at the bigger picture and stop being so short sighted.

 

[.dmc]

Resistance and MotorStorm aren't system sellers? I kindly disagree.

Are people buying PS3's so that they can play Resistance? Or are people buying Resistance so that they have something to play on their PS3?

 

[boutrosinit]

Sony PlayStation - supported strongly by these guys in the U.K:

 

[qirex]

The whole point of the Playstation from the beginning has been that there aren't single "system sellers" but a broad library that constitutes a good value proposition for a wide variety of customers.