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PlayStation 5 more powerful than Xbox Scarlet, according to Game Informer editor

o'dium

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If xbox is more powerful - ITS NOT ABOUT POWER ITS ABOUT GAMES AND XBOX NEVER HAS THE GAMES FORZAGEARSHALOOOOOOO.

If PS5 is more powerful - ITS NOT ABOUT GAMES ITS ABOUT POWER YOU CANT DO AMAZING GAMES WITHOUT POWER.

Come on people, just wait for some hard facts before you shit the bed. You will still get your halo. You will still get your Last Of Us...
 
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Both consoles are going to be close in terms of raw power. 1-2 tflops isn't going to make ANY difference in visual quality. It's just PR and fanboy fotter.
 
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Do you think they're going to do another playstation meeting next year like they did in 2013 just before the E3 ?
PSX is pretty much a done deal at this point and things seem to be pointing at Sony releasing before MS. I reckon they'll wait till they know it'll be too late for MS to change anything then have a blowout at PSX.
 
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If xbox is more powerful - ITS NOT ABOUT POWER ITS ABOUT GAMES AND XBOX NEVER HAS THE GAMES FORZAGEARSHALOOOOOOO.

If PS5 is more powerful - ITS NOT ABOUT GAMES ITS ABOUT POWER YOU CANT DO AMAZING GAMES WITHOUT POWER.

Come on people, just wait for some hard facts before you shit the bed. You will still get your halo. You will still get your Last Of Us...
Nope. I'm sorry but it has always been about games. There is no point in having power if there are no games taking full advantage of it.
It has been about games since the NES, it never was about power.
 

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While there is an element of truth in this, can we just reign back the labelling entire swathes of posters and at least acknowledge over time this is getting better if not the place we would like to be eventually.
Nope. I'm sorry but it has always been about games. There is no point in having power if there are no games taking full advantage of it.
It has been about games since the NES, it never was about power.
Except that whole time when the PS4 was doing stuff in 1080p and the xbox was in 900p, and that 100p difference made people believe the games were better?

Come on, all console fan boys are arsehats, but Sony fans, on this forum more than anywhere, are in their own dimension when it comes to moving goal posts.
 
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Zen2 + Navi means absolutely nothing at this point.

Navi is ultra scalable and has been licensed for use in Samsung's Exynos chips... Mobile SoCs!

The question whether MS or Sony are using a single-die APU or discrete chips linked with Infinity Fabric. If they both decide to stay with APUs, the power differential will be minimal.

Infinity Fabric is the game-changing AMD tech if someone chooses to use it. Would allow for much higher clocks and allow the console to boast a "discrete GPU".

I'm failing to see why either of them would go for an APU again if their intention is take the power lead. Of course, there is the issue of cost to consider, but if Scarlett really was/is dual-console Lockhart/Anaconda, going for an APU with Anaconda seems silly.

In the end, yeah... we're probably gonna still gonna end up with APUs, but I have my fingers crossed for a non-APU PS5.
 

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Except that whole time when the PS4 was doing stuff in 1080p and the xbox was in 900p, and that 100p difference made people believe the games were better?

Come on, all console fan boys are arsehats, but Sony fans, on this forum more than anywhere, are in their own dimension when it comes to moving goal posts.
I have a base Ps4 and I never felt the slightest temptation to get a pro or a x1x. I play games, not specs. Res and Framerate differences are not important to me. I'm going to next-gen with a 1080p screen and I have no intention to upgrade to 4k.
 
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If Ps5 turns out to be infinitely, inconceivably powerful, I'm talking twice as powerful as scarlet, doing raytracing with native 8k supersampling, how the hell much is it going to cost? 800 dollars? I look forward to seeing the "Brace yourselves, its going to be expensive" rumors. Sony probably skipped e3 because all of its new games are Ps5 games and they can't show them yet.
 
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Because its slows down current hardware sales, that's why Apple does a release only a few weeks out. Of course, consoles are a little different because they don't come on an annual basis but absolutely no reason to officially announce something until the 6-9 month mark. They did the same thing with the Xbox One X, but lets be honest... they really would rather everyone install games from the MS Store on their PC.
 
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Lets be honest - both consoles are going to be near identical in specs. The same multiplat games will play pretty equally.

Its the other features/exclusives/ux/etc that will make a difference.

Stop encouraging the dick measuring contest for a couple hertz, bytes, and frames
 

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Hardware specs always change until the last minute before they reveal the final specs.

Remember that even Sony devs working on a launch game (Killzone Shadowfall) didn't knew the final PS4 amount of RAM until the day they revealed the final specs. I know that the amount of players detected by Kinect was also changed a few weeks before the E3 where it was revealed (originally was supposed to be able to detect 4 players, then was reduced).

As of now we know both consoles will have Zen 2, Navi, very fast SSD and they are even going to put remote play to Xbox. Seems they are going to be pretty similar. I'm pretty sure they'll tweak their specs as they receive the ones from the other console to update it where needed.
 
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Except that whole time when the PS4 was doing stuff in 1080p and the xbox was in 900p, and that 100p difference made people believe the games were better?

Come on, all console fan boys are arsehats, but Sony fans, on this forum more than anywhere, are in their own dimension when it comes to moving goal posts.
I'm a huge Sony fan, I'm not afraid to admit it... I'm also not afraid to give credit where it's due. Xbox One X seems like an immensely good console, they've done a great job with BC and Game Pass seems like a really great idea and a great value. However, they still haven't done enough to convince me to buy into another ecosystem. It's not like Sony are just standing still. They didn't even bother turning up to this E3 and MS still couldn't convince me of anything much.

That 180P difference is pretty huge when you're talking about the native resolution of our displays. I haven't done the math on whether 900P is a factorial down res of 1080P, but the argument isn't necessarily about the relative resolutions, but about what native and what isn't.
 
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This is such a pointless discussion right now lol.
Throw out some specs and lets discuss but until then...
 
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This is such a pointless discussion right now lol.
Throw out some specs and lets discuss but until then...
We can have a more realistic discussion about the consoles potential specs after AMD conference.
 
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Who cares. Xbox one X is more powerful than ps4 pro and it did nothing. Xbox was more powerful than ps2 and it did nothing. Xbox360 was more graphically capable than ps3 and it did nothing, wii with its puny hardware had them both for dinner.
 
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Statistically, the most power console of the generation has never translated to most consoles sold for the manufacturer so far. :lollipop_grinning:

Since Sony entered on stage.
 
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I am including refreshes, why shouldn't they count?
A refresh would only count if the refresh itself made a difference in the sales that gen. (For example, if 32X had somehow exploded and gotten Sega the win over the SNES). This has never happened. Sony was winning before and after the mid-gen refreshes, for example.
 

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For what it's worth, if the sales were more equal, I'm thinking Sony and Microsoft would be better off just combining resources - since their boxes are going to be pretty similar hardware for the 2nd gen in a row. Sony has no incentive to do this though at this point.
 
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Except that whole time when the PS4 was doing stuff in 1080p and the xbox was in 900p, and that 100p difference made people believe the games were better?

Come on, all console fan boys are arsehats, but Sony fans, on this forum more than anywhere, are in their own dimension when it comes to moving goal posts.
Thankfully, most of those arsehat sony fans went to era.

As far as the PS5 being more powerful than the Anaconda, I personally hope it is. Since all first party MS games are going to be on PC I personally don't really have a reason to purchase the Anaconda. I can use my console money on the PS5.
 

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*cuts to a person sitting in front of a dark background* "For the first time we are able to use spider egg technology alongside ray tracing hardware to deliver up to 10,000 spiders inside every console"
*cuts to a cgi rendering of a circuit board then back to another random person with glasses* "This means along with our solid state drive we can produce gameplay up to 4 times that of our current consoles and for the first time fully immersive spider experiences in the living room"
 

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Maybe, maybe not buttt

I keep telling ppl no one gives a %uck what Phil has said in the past about power advantage abd wanting it, Sony will not just let tht happen. Fans think what comes out his mouth is gospel, that's not how competition works.
 
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All i am going to say is I find it funny how MS kept saying, "most powerful XBOX console" instead of just saying it is the most powerful console, like they did with X1X.
Pretty sure you can't say that unless you know the specs of the rival system. When they said it with Scorpio, they knew the specs of the PS4 Pro.
 
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In all seriousness, It really doesn't matter in the slightest which one of the consoles is the most ''powerful''. Just look at the 90's and early 00's. Having the weaker hardware didn't mean shit. Smart decisions and a solid library is all that matters. PS1&2 tells you everything you need to know.

The new consoles will be close enough for most people to not give a shit.
 

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I'm going to do what i've always done for the past 20 years. Getting playstation at launch, and the other console a year later.
 
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In all seriousness, It really doesn't matter in the slightest which one of the consoles is the most ''powerful''. Just look at the 90's and early 00's. Having the weaker hardware didn't mean shit. Smart decisions and a solid library is all that matters. PS1&2 tells you everything you need to know.

The new consoles will be close enough for most people to not give a shit.
Wii showed you didn't even need HD graphics to win! :lollipop_grinning: :lollipop_grinning: :lollipop_grinning:
 

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Just like all the 'XB1 is more powerful than PS4' rumours there were, right up until we got official specs, remember that? because i sure do.
 
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People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think MS doesn't know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up the performance crown to Sony.

I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on MS systems looked the same or better.
Classic. Those were some fun times.
 
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The new "Person of Culture" choice is PS5 + PC + Switch

  • PS5 covers the Sony exclusives and console experience for genres that are better on that platform
  • PC covers all the usual goodies that PC offers along with the future Microsoft catalogue that will be available on XBox Two or whatever they're calling it
  • Switch covers the portable and party based stuff, along with the usual Nintendo first party series.
 

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It might be a small advantage for Sony (if true) amongst the tiny percentage of gamers that care or frequent games forums like this, but for a broader audience, this is no longer of interest in my opinion. Games, games, games.
Yes Sony has the best first party studios, so they'll have the games. Along with a powerful console. I think they are going for the extra power to really help drive SVR 2