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|OT| PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time

Entroyp

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Yup, we can plant those, we tried star fruit and jackfruit and were pretty successful. But those rambutan are pretty common to find here, but maybe it's hard to find them in the US? Not sure, you might even find some being cultivated in tropical America like Brazil and other countries just like most tropical fruits/plants.
They’re not common in the pacific northwest (where I’m living atm) that’s for sure.
 

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That game is so fucking ugly I don't know why anyone is looking to it for a performance benchmark lol



I MADE A MEME!
That shot isn't visually very pleasing yes but this is a very small team. It looks alright on a videos I seen.

It's not AAA so can't really compare it to another but it's an example of how the PS5 can indeed do 4k60 and probably with RT too.

Its exactly what the FUD said it couldn't do. Now its ah well it doesn't look that good in this shot etc... 🙄

Looks fairly good in parts environments more than characters...


This is an old screenshot now, not anything groundbreaking but not terrible...

 

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Just goes over the Dusk Golem drama and highlights that he was called out by Matt Hargett. Says he has heard the opposite from any developers he has spoken to...

Says he didn't report on the rumors because he was unsure and all the things he heard before conflicted with what DG was saying.

pretty much it...
Thank you! So many videos are posted these days without even a description and I got no time to watch them all to see what it might be about!
 

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I'm hoping that Mile Morales has atleast 2 thirds of the contant of Spiderman PS4
"Full story" is a pretty vague way to tell me how much is in it.
 
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can someone explain to me the cost and type of SSD extra storage a consumer can get to store saved games, or download games?

825GB is not enough. I want to purchase 2 TB+

any suggestions?
 

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can someone explain to me the cost and type of SSD extra storage a consumer can get to store saved games, or download games?

825GB is not enough. I want to purchase 2 TB+

any suggestions?
You mean for PS5? You can buy an external drive and backup the games you are not playing. If you want to expand the gaming drive there is no SSD fast enough on the market yet. Supposedly any M.2 nvme drive with more than 5.5 GB/s of bandwidth and that actually fits into the expansion slot will do. I can’t imagine that drive being cheap though.
 

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can someone explain to me the cost and type of SSD extra storage a consumer can get to store saved games, or download games?

825GB is not enough. I want to purchase 2 TB+

any suggestions?
Nothing exists yet for PS5, you will need a M.2 drive that sustains at least 7 GB/S.. Sony said they will be testing drives from different manufactures that meet the standard to match the internal drive, last time Sony talked about it, they didn't expect anything to be on the market until the beginning of next year.
 

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You mean for PS5? You can buy an external drive and backup the games you are not playing. If you want to expand the gaming drive there is no SSD fast enough on the market yet. Supposedly any M.2 nvme drive with more than 5.5 GB/s of bandwidth and that actually fits into the expansion slot will do. I can’t imagine that drive being cheap though.
Nothing exists yet for PS5, you will need a M.2 drive that sustains at least 7 GB/S.. Sony said they will be testing drives from different manufactures that meet the standard to match the internal drive, last time Sony talked about it, they didn't expect anything to be on the market until the beginning of next year.
Cant Sony release its own custom external or internal SSD drive with the same specs? So consumers don't have to guess which SSDs meet Sonys criteria's? Similar to MS with Seagate.
 

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Cant Sony release its own custom external or internal SSD drive with the same specs? So consumers don't have to guess which SSDs meet Sonys criteria's? Similar to MS with Seagate.
They may do a Sony branded one but they say that many manufacturers will produce compatible ones....

The reason it's 825 is because when you divide by 12 (the number of controllers) you get almost the same amount of data each controller can access / write.

Therefor you can access basically all of the SSD at once....

So I think going for a larger size SSD may not be as efficient, you might be better off to have 2/3 replacement 825 size SSD's.

Hopefully they have a connector for an external SSD that works as well.
 
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They may do a Sony branded one but they say that many manufacturers will produce compatible ones....

The reason it's 825 is because when you divide by 12 (the number of controllers) you get almost the same amount of data each controller can access / write.


Therefor you can access basically all of the SSD at once....

So I think going for a larger size SSD may not be as efficient, you might be better off to have 2/3 replacement 825 size SSD's.

Hopefully they have a connector for an external SSD that works as well.
The SSD (among many things) seems heavily customized. Can there be some sort of partition of saved game data between SSD drives? For example, save game progress and non essential non volatile data to the external hard drive, and game asset data, graphics, etc, to the main 825GB custom SSD (SSD seems very volatile like RAM)
 
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The SSD (among many things) seems heavily customized. Can there be some sort of partition of saved game data between SSD drives? For example, save game progress and non essential non volatile data to the external hard drive, and game asset data, graphics, etc, to the main 825GB custom SSD (SSD seems very volatile like RAM)
Save data is usually so small now that they might not bother.... unsure though.

Normal external would be great for media...pictures, videos, clips and games for BC and that you're not using right away. Then you could transfer as needed.
 

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They may do a Sony branded one but they say that many manufacturers will produce compatible ones....

The reason it's 825 is because when you divide by 12 (the number of controllers) you get almost the same amount of data each controller can access / write.

Therefor you can access basically all of the SSD at once....

So I think going for a larger size SSD may not be as efficient, you might be better off to have 2/3 replacement 825 size SSD's.

Hopefully they have a connector for an external SSD that works as well.
The PS5 SSD is 512 Gb nand flash dies x 12 = 768 GiB = 825 GB. It’s not replaceable.

You can add storage by adding another internal SSD into the PS5’s expansion bay. That requires a PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe SSD that is approved by Sony to work and fit.

So those typically are sold in 500 GB and 1 TB capacities, which would add to the 825 GB of the PS5‘s internal SSD.

It’s not like the PS3 or PS4 where we could replace the hard drive. It’s like the Switch, where we can just add more storage using an expansion bay with certain supported M.2 drives.

For external drives, USB HDDs will work for PS4 games. I assume you could use an external SATA SSD too for PS4 games if you wanted too, but there’d be no real point.
 
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The PS5 SSD is 512 Gb nand flash dies x 12 = 768 GiB = 825 GB. It’s not replaceable.

You can add storage by adding another internal SSD into the PS5’s expansion bay. That requires a PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe SSD that is approved by Sony to work and fit.

So those typically are sold in 500 GB and 1 TB capacities, which would add to the 825 GB of the PS5‘s internal SSD.

It’s not like the PS3 or PS4 where we could replace the hard drive. It’s like the Switch, where we can just add more storage using an expansion bay with certain supported M.2 drives.

For external drives, USB HDDs will work for PS4 games. I assume you could use an external SATA SSD too for PS4 games if you wanted too, but there’d be no real point.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up... any idea if the expanded memory can be accessed as fast as the non-replaceable one?
 

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The SSD (among many things) seems heavily customized. Can there be some sort of partition of saved game data between SSD drives? For example, save game progress and non essential non volatile data to the external hard drive, and game asset data, graphics, etc, to the main 825GB custom SSD (SSD seems very volatile like RAM)
actually, it is not. Yes they have their "own" controller chips etc, but they just can't optimize the SSD to much, because they still support "external" SSDs. You still have the overhead of the controller chip on the nvme drive and the m.2 slot "logic". The only thing they could have customized is to reduce the cost. Yes the nvme must have a better speed than the PS5s SDD because of "their" customization, but because you must always got through the controller of the PS5 and the nvme, you just can't optimize the "SSD controller technology" like some here think. So they can't reduce latencies here only on software side.
 

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Ah, thanks for clearing that up... any idea if the expanded memory can be accessed as fast as the non-replaceable one?
Well Mark Cerny said any M.2 SSD we add in the expansion bay has to meet the performance standards of the PS5 internal SSD. So it had to deliver the same speed for running PS5 games as the built-in storage does. That’s why Sony has to test those M.2 drives first to see if they meet benchmarks.

This is so developers can program PS5 games to fully take advantage of the PS5 SSD speeds. They shouldn’t have to worry “what if a user adds a slower secondary drive” or anything like that. That could fuck up their development goals.

So we as the users can only add more storage for PS5 games if the drive performs the same as the PS5‘s own SSD, so for the game code, its the same. That way we can install a PS5 game on the 825 GB main SSD or a M.2 SSD in the expansion bay and it will play the same regardless.

For the Switch, we can just add more storage with a Micro SD card (that meets spec) because that delivers sufficient performance for Switch games to run. The Switch uses internal flash memory, Switch game carts are flash too, and SD cards are flash. So it all can deliver the speed the games are built around.

For the PS4, we can use external USB 3.2 HDDs because that type of drive and connection also delivers sufficient performance for running PS4 games. But we can’t use USB 2.0 HDDs because those drives are too slow. That’s why when PS4 launched in 2013, they didn’t allow USB HDDs to be used as external storage because lots of external HDDs in 2013 we’re still USB 2.0. Thankfully that changed.
 
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A known shitty YouTuber, relying on clickbaity thumbnails ; ... if not mistaking, it did not bother him posting FUD in the past about the PS5.

This is just another video for views, clicks. Even If we all agree on the topic, it's just content for this individual.

As soon something new arises, be sure he will flip flop ..
 
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Cant Sony release its own custom external or internal SSD drive with the same specs? So consumers don't have to guess which SSDs meet Sonys criteria's? Similar to MS with Seagate.
Its going to cost £100-£150 for the Sony SSD. If I'm going to expand. Im waiting on the version from Sony. I'm not touching 3rd party inferior products. All this compensating for speeds sounds spooky. Cerny is a nice guy. He spoke like diplomat.I would of said them other SSD's ain't on our level. Buy Sony.
 
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A known shitty YouTuber, relying on clickbaity thumbnails ; ... if not mistaking, it did not bother him posting FUD in the past about the PS5.

This is just another video for views, clicks. Even If we all agree on the topic, it's just content for this individual.

As soon something new arises, be sure he will flip flop ..
I remember Dreamcast Guy got seriously roasted after a video where he said he'd got info from an 'insider' about PS5 devkit being 14TF and have Nvidia GPU. So reliable...:lollipop_anxious_sweat:
 

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At least durian tastes good. If you are ever in Hong Kong seek out a branch of Honeymoon Dessert. 😋
Meh. My gf loves durian, but I'm not a fan. The smell really varies based on the type of durian plant, and she likes the less-offensive types, but I'm just not feeling it. Jackfruit, on the other hand, can be delicious in certain meals. I've had it in Bali a few times, and you wouldn't be able to tell it apart from beef, with the way they prepared it. Just amazing.
 
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Cant Sony release its own custom external or internal SSD drive with the same specs? So consumers don't have to guess which SSDs meet Sonys criteria's? Similar to MS with Seagate.
You don’t have to guess, Sony will provide a list of commercially available SSDs that were tested to be fully compatible. No need to stress about it.
 
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