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The CEO revealed that Activision had actually worked on the PS5’s DualSense controllers’ haptic feedback, and that such a collaboration is only made possible when developers are not owned by a competitor. Ryan also mentioned an email that Xbox head Phil Spencer had sent to him in August last year, which apparently “set off alarm bells” on Xbox’s actions following the approval of the ABK acquisition had it gone through.

PlayStation CEO Confirms They Worked With Activision on PS5 Haptics Development, Not Possible With Acquisition

PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan confirmed in court that the PS5 DualSense controller's haptics were developed alongside Activision.

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[Filben]

Both companies can't say a thing anymore without retort and mentioning the other one, "but [MS/Sony]...".

 

[midnightAI]

Both companies can't say a thing anymore without retort and mentioning the other one, "but [MS/Sony]...".

Yeh, it's almost like there is something important going on that they may mention each other, hmmmmm, curious

 

[Arkangelus0]

Phil send an email to their competition, instead of shut his mouth? Xbox suits are beyond stupid, and this can be study in business schools for years

 

[Fabieter]

I mean should be common sense that you won't share ideas with your competitors and let them help build it.

 

[Tams]

I if I were the CEO of Microsoft, I'd fire the entire top level Xbox management.

Not only are they trying to spend a massive, if not greatly significant for Microsoft, amount on a single publisher, but they have now racked up considerable legal fees, pissed off regulators in several countries, encouraged other execs to put their foots in their mouths and insult countries, brought the focus of regulators more into the cloud computing area, and seem to be dragging the Xbox and Microsoft names through the mud.

And they seem to have 'incriminated' themselves multiple times in hard evidence.

 

[TrebleShot]

When the deal goes through and they buy more companies innovation will fly out the window and things like the dual sense will be a distant memory.

You'll get a basic black box with the same current xbox controller because anything new or innovative is a "gimmick" according to people who are no fun at parties.

 

[mansoor1980]

I if I were the CEO of Microsoft, I'd fire the entire top level Xbox management.

Not only are they trying to spent a massive, if not greatly significant for Microsoft, amount on a single publisher, but they have now racked up considerable legal fees, pissed off regulators in several countries, encouraged other execs to put their foots in their mouths and insult countries, brought the focus of regulators more into the cloud computing area, and seem to be dragging the Xbox and Microsoft names through the mud.

And they seem to have 'incriminated' themselves multiple times in hard evidence.

what if they succeed with the merger , i reckon all will be forgotten

 

[Guilty_AI]

When the deal goes through and they buy more companies innovation will fly out the window and things like the dual sense will be a distant memory.

You'll get a basic black box with the same current xbox controller because anything new or innovative is a "gimmick" according to people who are no fun at parties.

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

 

[TrebleShot]

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

It's something, what is innovation on xbox pad? share button.

 

[T0minator]

Xbox didn't change their UI or controller from the previous when they launched Series X. PS redesigned everything for PS5.

Of course they're not going to want to share that type of information with MS in any way possible.

 

[Hudo]

Both companies can't say a thing anymore without retort and mentioning the other one, "but [MS/Sony]...".

And the internet is following suit.

 

[Tarin02543]

The joke is that COD represents everything anti-gaming and pro-profits

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sony won't take Activision lightly even if the deal doesn't get through. I think Sony should consider marketing XDefiant or other games instead as casuals just jump on the new shiny thing with COD being stagnant creatively.

 

[theStartupSound]

Sorry, but when this is the argument, no platform holder can buy any publisher again.

 

[Porticus]

Sorry, but when this is the argument, no platform holder can buy any publisher again.

Ahahah so funny!

 

[ZehDon]

For me, this highlights Sony's overreliance on Call of Duty more than it highlights a potential issue post-ABK purchase. I'd have expected Sony's own storied developers more than capable of providing this kind of insight.

 

[GamesDontSuck]

Kind of getting tired about reading all this sony xbox stuff. It's anti competitive blah blah blah. All bullshit at this point.

Big business is like chess right? Well it feels that Sony felt hurt that Xbox made a big move in trying to acquire Activision. So what do they do? Try and legally stop it.

 

[Arkangelus0]

Sorry, but when this is the argument, no platform holder can buy any publisher again.

And thats exactly the whole point of this situation

Sony knows they are fine without cod, Hurt ther sales but are fine

They really want to have a precedent in court so Microsoft or any tech company cant buy any big publisher, so they can prevent a publisher buying war

Imagine what happen if Rockstar or EA are next

Thats what Sony really is fighting and Bethesda was a wakeup call

 

[Pelta88]

Phil is so eager to speak. Give him a Microphone or a camera and he's in his element. If he just shut the fuck up, stopped emailing the competition and telegraphing his moves there would have been zero push back. But he had to say something. He couldn't resist the chance to gloat, irrespective of the fact that the acquisition hadn't gone through and wasn't a certainty.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Yes and it's in this context that he said he wouldn't share the PS6 or PS5 Pro specs in advance with Activision if it belonged to Xbox.
Activision knew about the haptics while it was being developed because they were a part of it coming together.
Knowing this in advance would have given Microsoft a heads up to match that ability.

 

[alphachino]

For me, this highlights Sony's overreliance on Call of Duty more than it highlights a potential issue post-ABK purchase. I'd have expected Sony's own storied developers more than capable of providing this kind of insight.

I dunno about that... much of the time, large corporations can have a high degree of insularity and not be able to tell the forest from the trees. Sony worked with Studio Bend on the VITA and we ended up with backtouch

 

[Eotheod]

I really doubt Microsoft or Sony don't know what each other is cooking, how else do they get near similar builds? That isn't coincidence, that's market knowledge of your competitors.

 

[ZehDon]

I dunno about that... much of the time, large corporations can have a high degree of insularity and not be able to tell the forest from the trees. Sony worked with Studio Bend on the VITA and we ended up with backtouch

Well, in their defense, they were kinda close on that one; back paddles on my Xbox Elite controller and Steam Deck are actually pretty great.

 

[Three]

I really doubt Microsoft or Sony don't know what each other is cooking, how else do they get near similar builds? That isn't coincidence, that's market knowledge of your competitors.

They know some details and I'm sure industrial espionage happens too but the near similar builds is because they have the same SoC suppliers and a target device cost.

 

[alphachino]

Well, in their defense, they were kinda close on that one; back paddles on my Xbox Elite controller and Steam Deck are actually pretty great.

Yes, paddles are great, back buttons are great... back touch - not so much. Back buttons existed long before any of that though. I remember seeing them for the first time with SCUF controllers in the early 20-teens

 

[mrmustard]

I really doubt Microsoft or Sony don't know what each other is cooking, how else do they get near similar builds? That isn't coincidence, that's market knowledge of your competitors.

Well you got a price range you have to work with and you only get so many components for it. So of course it's +- comparable.
I think if they find out something, it's very late. The PS5 cooling system size and and the whole size always looked weird to me. Maybe they found out about the TF of Xbox and wanted to last minute ocerclock, maybe not. We'll never know.

 

[Gudji]

Now I know why MS wanna buy activision.

 

[Three]

Yes and it's in this context that he said he wouldn't share the PS6 or PS5 Pro specs in advance with Activision if it belonged to Xbox.
Activision knew about the haptics while it was being developed because they were a part of it coming together.
Knowing this in advance would have given Microsoft a heads up to match that ability.

According to Tom Warren MS were even keeping details from third parties to surprise Sony. Now imagine MS having to hand over dev kits to Sony directly instead. No way would they do that.
You can even see now MS responding late to some of the Playstation controller design decisions. Like the share button they added later, and a mic mute button like the Dualsense is rumoured to come.

 

[lordrand11]

And thats exactly the whole point of this situation

Sony knows they are fine without cod, Hurt ther sales but are fine

They really want to have a precedent in court so Microsoft or any tech company cant buy any big publisher, so they can prevent a publisher buying war

Imagine what happen if Rockstar or EA are next

Thats what Sony really is fighting and Bethesda was a wakeup call

Sony will do it themselves too. Sony is fighting this because a lot of their brand is tied into ABK and they don't have the value to throw at it for purchase because they've spent too much of their money only worrying about paying for exclusivity.

 

[Puscifer]

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

Pretty much, I turned it off strictly because it just seemed like it was a hindrance.

 

[kaizenkko]

Kind of getting tired about reading all this sony xbox stuff. It's anti competitive blah blah blah. All bullshit at this point.

Big business is like chess right? Well it feels that Sony felt hurt that Xbox made a big move in trying to acquire Activision. So what do they do? Try and legally stop it.

Sony is trying to do what any company in their place would do. But yeah, despite the good memes, I'm tired too.

 

[Fredrik]

Kind of getting tired about reading all this sony xbox stuff. It's anti competitive blah blah blah. All bullshit at this point.

Been tired about it since the start. It hurt all other discussions, so many are drawn into platform warring now. Previously everything about the ABK deal was in one thread but I think I have nearly 20 threads on ignore now and new ones pop up almost every day, it’s impossible to avoid.

Can’t there be a separate forum category for the business side of the hobby? exclusives and sales figures and market share talk etc

 

[Ansphn]

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

I guess you haven't been playing consoles games long? These are the types of innovations you get. Rumble, haptics and motion controls, VR, etc that improves the experience. What did you expect?

 

[Guilty_AI]

I guess you haven't been playing consoles games long? These are the types of innovations you get. Rumble, haptics and motion controls, VR, etc that improves the experience. What did you expect?

Sure, i remember the innovations and influence of the sixaxis

 

[MikeM]

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

To each their own. But that controller is a part of why it stands beside my PC, and not a Series X.

People can scream gimmicks etc, but Sony is at least trying things. Dualsense and PSVR 2 being some major ones. I welcome more innovation, something we all should even if they don’t appeal to everyone.

 

[Ansphn]

Sure, i remember the innovations and influence of the sixaxis

You still haven't answered my question. What kind of innovations did you expect?

 

[Guilty_AI]

I guess you haven't been playing consoles games long? These are the types of innovations you get. Rumble, haptics and motion controls, VR, etc that improves the experience. What did you expect?

Dunno? The analog stick was a great addition to standard controllers, so was the second analog stick. Something like that, thats actually useful and vastly expands the possibility of control in games. Maybe something like the mouse/touchpad that steam controllers/deck has?

 

[Ansphn]

Dunno? The analog stick was a great addition to standard controllers, so was the second analog stick. Something like that, thats actually useful and vastly expands the possibility of control in games. Maybe something like the mouse/touchpad that steam controllers/deck has?

Exactly my point. The innovations are not drastic and it seems you understand this so why did you downplay the duel sense features? Have you used a duel sense controller?

 

[Three]

Dunno? The analog stick was a great addition to standard controllers, so was the second analog stick. Something like that, thats actually useful and vastly expands the possibility of control in games. Maybe something like the mouse/touchpad that steam controllers/deck has?

"if a mouse touchpad is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed"

 

[Guilty_AI]

Exactly my point. The innovations are not drastic and it seems you understand this so why did you downplay the duel sense features? Have you used a duel sense controller?

Cause its more or less pointless, it truly feels like a gimmick, unlike the things i mentioned

 

[DeepEnigma]

"if a mouse touchpad is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed"

"Who needs more than one button on a mouse?" - Apple, really

 

[Loomy]

For me, this highlights Sony's overreliance on Call of Duty more than it highlights a potential issue post-ABK purchase. I'd have expected Sony's own storied developers more than capable of providing this kind of insight.

You can't limit your user research to only internal stakeholders. You have to go outside if you're able to - and in this case, they're able to.

Why would you not go to the publisher/developer of the most popular FPS series on the market to get their feedback on something that is integral to their own games (the right trigger)?

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

Both companies can't say a thing anymore without retort and mentioning the other one, "but [MS/Sony]...".

 

[Ansphn]

Cause its more or less pointless, it truly feels like a gimmick, unlike the things i mentioned

So you haven't used it? And everything is a gimmick unless you deem it worthy?

 

[R6Rider]

if cool vibrations is our standard for innovation, we are already doomed

If you think it's simply "cool vibrations" then you're doomed.

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony won't take Activision lightly even if the deal doesn't get through. I think Sony should consider marketing XDefiant or other games instead as casuals just jump on the new shiny thing with COD being stagnant creatively.

But Sony has their slate of AAA GAAS coming out in 2024 so..........would that be smart?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

But Sony has their slate of AAA GAAS coming out in 2024 so..........would that be smart?

Do they have a proper shooter? That's the question.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Could have sworn there was a thread on this last year with Activision saying they helped with the tech.

 

[mckmas8808]

Do they have a proper shooter? That's the question.

My bad, I thought Haven's game was a shooter.