LiquidMetal14
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Someone will want to have your babies at some point. Just keep up the great work.TTP said:
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Playstation Move impressions/reviews/previews
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Chris_C said:
Hey! I have a very elegant TV design with "floating glass" around the border. It's harder to mount with this design.
Look:
The top of my TV is not simply flat. I will have to mount the camera on that tiny silver strip on the top.
Edit: I'm going to try that trick someone posted from Kotaku, but I would still prefer it to be "stuck" on.
UFRA said:Hey! I have a very elegant TV design with "floating glass" around the border. It's harder to mount with this design.
Look:
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/XBR4_in_row.jpg
[IMG]http://reviews.cnet.com/sc/32070319-2-440-side-3.gi
The top of my TV is not simply flat. I will have to mount the camera on that tiny silver strip on the top.
Edit: I'm going to try that trick someone posted from Kotaku, but I would still prefer it to be "stuck" on.[/QUOTE]
I think I saw some sort of 3rd party "clip" to mount the PSeye on these TVs. Can't remember where, though.
On a side note: just finished a couple of RUSE missions with Move+DS3. Very pratical. I think even a total rts noob like me could get used to it.
Not gonna lie, I'm sitting here contemplating between the 320GB Move bundle and the 160GB regular at this point.
Well, I don't really think I need anywhere close to that much capacity, for one.
That and I'm not very convinced at this point of the support Move will get. Aside from Killzone 3, what substantial dev support is there? Are third-parties even paying attention? I'm sorry, I haven't really been following the entire scene, but reading the Digital Foundry review and I sympathize with their concerns regarding whether Move will actually garner real support, rather than be a field test for the stereoscopic 3D waggle that they're exploring for PS4.
Well, I don't really think I need anywhere close to that much capacity, for one.
That and I'm not very convinced at this point of the support Move will get. Aside from Killzone 3, what substantial dev support is there? Are third-parties even paying attention? I'm sorry, I haven't really been following the entire scene, but reading the Digital Foundry review and I sympathize with their concerns regarding whether Move will actually garner real support, rather than be a field test for the stereoscopic 3D waggle that they're exploring for PS4.
hauton said:
Well here's the thing about the PS3 bundles. The 320GB model is double the storage of the 160GB model. I have a 120GB model and I'm not close to maxing it out because I DID come very close to maxing out my 60GB PS3 several times. The point here being that more hard drive space is always nice. And here's the thing. You could get the 120GB with the PS Move bundle for $399. Or you could get the 320GB bundle for $399. If that's the decision to make then it seems like a no-brainer.
As for PS Move support, they've already gotten more announced support than I've expected. Between a ton of games getting patched to support it and to the core Sony franchises near-guaranteed support of it I'd say that's more than enough to get the ball rolling. Move support has to be planned out, but it is apparently not that difficult to implement if done fairly early on. I can't see PS Move support being too hard a thing to support, and they probably will do so more often than not just to have another bullet point for the game. I mean, unless it just flat out won't work with Move.
hauton said:
I'm on the same boat, I'll need a new PS3 in about a month as I'm currently using a borrowed one from my brother while he's out of the country for work.
After some thinking I'm definitely going with the 160Gb. $100 is just too much when my gaming budget is already crazy as it is with all the games that are coming out this holiday season (and the PS3 I'm being forced to buy thanks to a YLOD). I mean, in the next few months there's LBP2, GT5, Sly Collection, Fallout: New Vegas, F1 2010, FIFA 11, Dead Space 2, Portal 2, Mass Effect 2, Killzone 3... throwing $100 to play Sports Champions doesn't seem like the way to go for me, specially since I already own Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort.
I don't think support will be a problem if you're interested in playing games with Move that can optionally be played with the DS3, like shooters and strategy games. I'm not counting on many games that use the Move exclusively (like Sorcery) being developed except for smaller PSN stuff like Tumble and echochrome II. I'm very interested in those smaller games so I'll end up buying Move when there are more of them, when Sony drops the price or when they bundle it with a better game, like Anton promised they would
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Nice vid! *crosses fingers for an iWaggle podcast*TTP said:
Sorc3r3r
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I've to say that after the 2 TTP' videos i'm losing faith in the move as a better option to play FPSes over the pad.
In MAG u do not have any aim assit so it is easy to see that high responsiveness not combined with stabilty, as we have with the mouse, is going to hurt the experience.
I know it's a beta, and that these are the 1st experiences for the move with shooters but still...i wonder with a fixed crosshair what would be the results.
In MAG u do not have any aim assit so it is easy to see that high responsiveness not combined with stabilty, as we have with the mouse, is going to hurt the experience.
I know it's a beta, and that these are the 1st experiences for the move with shooters but still...i wonder with a fixed crosshair what would be the results.
Maastricht
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Sorc3r3r said:
Yes, it is definitely interesting. I would like to know from the MAG developers whether they are using simply the gyroscope (rotation) for input, or whether they use the full dataset of x/y/z and orientation to determine where the vector from the Move controller intersects with the screen. From what I've seen, that may actually be more precise that what we're seeing now and more fun to boot as you could change the way you point at the screen by moving your Move laterally, moving around, getting closer/farther to the screen, etc. (not that you should need to, it would just correctly interpret that).
Right now I think they maybe simply (well, perhaps a bit of oversimplification) map the up/down and left/right angle to the input that the DS3's analog stick gives them. This is a very easy way to 'simulate' pointing, and I think to turn things around you could map the analog stick to work the exact same way.
From what I'm seeing from Killzone, it looks like they may actually be using that vector from Move system, as that somehow seems more stable and less laggy. Will be interesting to find out.
Just wanted to tell you how much I love your videos! You're the only person who seems to know what people want to see about Move. Keep up the good work.TTP said:
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That showed some of the flaws that need to be fixed, like the iron sites repositioning.
spats said:
Before taking the videos I played the game normally on my sofa etc and it felt pretty much the same.
Anyway, u can fix the aiming stability by just lowering sensitivity to 10 or so. If feels great that way (as u can see in the first video). But you lose speed when moving the cursor around. If they can make it so that the sensitivity auto-lowers when cursor hovers a target it would be perfect. This is actually what Flight Control HD does, and you don't even notice unless you pay close attention. It's not about locking the reticule over the target. It's about simply reducing it's sensitivity.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Definitely. Kills the purpose of having the ironsight in the first place. In standard FPSs we use the ironsight to basically lower stick sensibility to fine aim when the reticule is already over the target or rather close to it. It's impossible to do so in MAG currently, unless both the target and your reticule happen to be in the middle of the screen when you bring up the iron sights.
And then they need to fix the iron sight bounding box thing. IMO it needs to go and be replaced with one to one mapping (with low sensitivity). Because even if you manage to have the target under your iron sights, following it is very impractical due to all the delay the bounding box thing adds to the proceedings.
akachan ningen
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I like how you say scoped.TTP said:
i thought a previous video for you showed separate settings for the bounding box for standard and iron sights modes?
So in theory you could have the bounding box tiny (sounds like some want it effectively off) so you could aim/turn together - replacing the right DS stick really, and then in iron sights mode you'd have a huge bounding box, basicallly letting you free aim without moving the screen. I think that'd better map to what you're trying to achieve - i.e you already have the target roughly centered and now you just want to finesse the aim.
anyone making a machine gun style move holder, where you can also attach the nav controller to and hold it two-handed?
So in theory you could have the bounding box tiny (sounds like some want it effectively off) so you could aim/turn together - replacing the right DS stick really, and then in iron sights mode you'd have a huge bounding box, basicallly letting you free aim without moving the screen. I think that'd better map to what you're trying to achieve - i.e you already have the target roughly centered and now you just want to finesse the aim.
anyone making a machine gun style move holder, where you can also attach the nav controller to and hold it two-handed?
TTP said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mDqfkJ_eQ
Enjoy
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Another great video that shows the current issues well. Let's hope the devs notice this stuff themselves and put some more work into it.
TTP said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mDqfkJ_eQ
Enjoy
Excellent Vid as always TTP. i'm a little disappointed with the current move implementation but as you say it is only beta. I think my expectations may have been a little high
mrklaw said:
This is a good suggestion. Have you tried this TTP? Sounds like it would work as you would not be using the "rubber band" until you reached the very edges of the screen.
TTP said:
ah i see. I though i would give free movement within the box until it came to the sides.
Seeing as how the bounding box system exists to allow players to move in 360 degrees without being able to reset centre (like with a mouse) i see no reason for this system at all in iron sights / scoped mode as, while in this mode, you would not need to move 360 degrees. Hopefully this will not be too difficult for Zipper to fix.
in the video you got some decent short range from the hip kills though. Did you find it fun or frustrating to use btw?
StealthGoblin
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Hanmik said:
Yes. We did this at Uni PS3 nights with Buzz.
All you'd have to do is position the Eye on a surface in front of you so it can see the Move(s) and you should be fine.
TheExecutive
Member
TTP said:
Grrrreeeeaaattttt video but the current beta is kinda disappointing but thats why its a beta. Where is Das-J anyway? There are tons of good suggestions in here.
Bradach said:
Oddly, I'd answer both.
It's fun in that I can aim fast (from the hip) with the Move, but also frustrating in that at times I lose track of the pointer for milliseconds during intense firefights. Its lines are so thin it kinda blends with both the target and the muzzle flash when they happen to overlap. With fixed reticule I always know where to look at (it's always there after all, in the middle of the screen). With a free one, I need it to be better distinguishable from everything else.
This is all exacerbated by the jittery behavior of the cursor itself when firing and by the iron sight mode being basically unusable in those kind of situations.
As I said at the end of the 2nd vid, I can see why Guerrilla adopted that big yellow cursor in KZ3.
On the Wii this issue is "auto-fixed" by the lower resolution I guess as pointers look fatter. If you get what I mean.
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I thought it was interesting in the Killzone3 Move video, that the idea of using a straightforward overhand throw motion for grenade tossing was squashed due to accuracy/aim issues.
Thinking about it, its kind of obvious that this would be a major drawback, especially given the disastrous consequences of a mis-aimed grenade(!) - but it also shows quite how big the mountain to climb is for designers trying to integrate gestural/motion-based actions into titles like FPS's where diegetic accuracy is a bread and butter requirement.
Not to cheapshot Kinect (as I've said before, I think it has real advantages -just only for certain game-types) but it does indicate that people thinking its going to be straightforward to leverage camera-based functionality as an augment onto existing pad-based game-styles may well find themselves disappointed.
Thinking about it, its kind of obvious that this would be a major drawback, especially given the disastrous consequences of a mis-aimed grenade(!) - but it also shows quite how big the mountain to climb is for designers trying to integrate gestural/motion-based actions into titles like FPS's where diegetic accuracy is a bread and butter requirement.
Not to cheapshot Kinect (as I've said before, I think it has real advantages -just only for certain game-types) but it does indicate that people thinking its going to be straightforward to leverage camera-based functionality as an augment onto existing pad-based game-styles may well find themselves disappointed.
TheGuardian
Member
Just a note on the Under Siege Move video, the frame rate is a little lower than normal because of the recording overhead.
TheExecutive
Member
F-Pina said:"In fact, I think Seed Studios should promptly send code TTP's way so he can do his magic"
We can't do that just yet
Well, we will hold you to your word :lol