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[Dongs Macabre]

They definitely won't be Bank tradable, but wouldn't you still be able to pass them over by an in-game trade assuming they're patched in?

I hope they'll add the ability to trade Mega Stones between games in Bank. Maybe just make it so all the Mega Stones you get are saved to your account and added to any game you load up Bank with.

Or just have universal stones.

 

[Zalman]

i was really hoping the trainer look like this

Seeing these again after the official trainers have been shown makes me so sad. This is so much better in every way.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Seeing these again after the official trainers have been shown makes me so sad. This is so much better in every way.

"Why are their eyes so big?"

"They switched May's bandanna with another hat?"

"Why does May have such girly clothing? She didn't have that before"

"Aren't they going to overheat in those clothes?"

"These are the worst designs in the history of Pokemon"

 

[Shun]

This guy knows what's up.


If Blaziken gets a broken ability, so should Swampert.

B-b-but Blaziken already had Speed Boost, but now with better stats.

I hope they know what they're doing with Mega Sceptile, they ruined a chance to make it a physical sweeper by using Lightningrod instead of Moxie...

That means I have to breed a brand new Sceptile instead of using my physical one...

 

[Feep]

Can someone describe to me what the Mega Evolutions did for the competitive endgame? Besides not being able to use another item, it just seems like there are no downsides, which is stupid. It doesn't even cost a turn to transform.

 

[Zelias]

Preferred the Emerald designs to these new ones. New May is alright though. Both new designs are better than the original R/S designs.

Interesting choices of abilities for the mega starters. Mega Sceptile should be fun in doubles, I'll probably give it a try paired with a Discharger. Stopping Rotom-W dead is cool as well. Serperior is crying at that Grass/Dragon typing.

Not sure what to make of Mega Swampert until we see its stats. Swift Swim seems a bit odd though on first glance. Sap Sipper would have been hilarious.

 

[RiggyRob]

Mega Sceptile has Lightning Rod for its ability. Let's just question the logic to this.

This might have already been mentioned, but I'd say the logic is that trees are struck by lightning and Mega Sceptile pretty much has a tree for a tail.

Seeing Mega Sceptile with a much improved design and typing is making me seriously consider whether I should pick Treecko instead of Mudkip this time around.

 

[Loco4Coco]

"Why are their eyes so big?"

"They switched May's bandanna with another hat?"

"Why does May have such girly clothing? She didn't have that before"

"Aren't they going to overheat in those clothes?"

"These are the worst designs in the history of Pokemon"

Opinions are a pain...

 

[Neiteio]

This might have already been mentioned, but I'd say the logic is that trees are struck by lightning and Mega Sceptile pretty much has a tree for a tail.

Seeing Mega Sceptile with a much improved design and typing is making me seriously consider whether I should pick Treecko instead of Mudkip this time around.

I'm not sure the Dragon type benefits Sceptile much. He gains resistance to Fire but becomes 4x weak to Ice, one of the most common attack types in the meta-game. He also becomes weak to Fairy, and of course other Dragons.

 

[Firemind]

Can someone describe to me what the Mega Evolutions did for the competitive endgame? Besides not being able to use another item, it just seems like there are no downsides, which is stupid. It doesn't even cost a turn to transform.

Well, besides Blaziken, Kangaskhan, Lucario and Gengar, mega evolutions are fair game as they only provide higher base stats, sometimes a type change and a fancy ability in exchange for the item slot. You can only mega evolve once in a match, so you can't just jam mega evos in a team and expect it to steamroll the opposing team.

 

[RiggyRob]

I'm not sure the Dragon type benefits Sceptile much. He gains resistance to Fire but becomes 4x weak to Ice, one of the most common attack types in the meta-game. He also becomes weak to Fairy, and of course other Dragons.

4x resistance to Water and Grass, immunity to Electric, neutrality to Fire, with new weaknesses to Fairy, Dragon and 4x weakness to Ice. Dragon's also not the best offensive type, especially with Fairies now. It's a net loss overall, but it's still cool - first ever Grass/Dragon.

 

[Theorymon]

Can someone describe to me what the Mega Evolutions did for the competitive endgame? Besides not being able to use another item, it just seems like there are no downsides, which is stupid. It doesn't even cost a turn to transform.

Coming from someone who plays Ubers and Battle Spot, the cool thing Mega Evolution brings is to team building. Teams can not have more than one Mega Evolution per battle, which is very interesting team building wise. For example, in Ubers I sometimes run an offensive team based around Wobbuffet setting up dangerous sweepers like Xerneas and Blaziken. In this kind of team, I have had 2 very serious choices for Mega Evolutions: I could use Mega Blaziken so I can use Adamant (the extra Speed means I can outspeed stuff like Mewtwo without Jolly), however, I can also opt for Mega Gengar to help trap stuff that Wobbuffet can't trap as easily (plus Wobbuffet and Mega Gengar are very nasty piece of work together), however, this comes at the cost of having to use Jolly Life Orb Blaziken. Or hell, I can use other Mega Evolutions as well, but the big point here is that I can't have them all at once, which is a pretty big shake up team building wise!

As for Battle Spot metagames, because you don't send out your entire team (unless its Triples), you can actually get away with MULTIPLE Mega evolutions, but having them both out at once usually isn't a good idea against most teams, so it adds a sorta of risk to team building: Do I use two Mega Evolutions to help against certain match ups, or does using two Mega Evolutions limit my team's versatility too much?

This can get even crazier in doubles. For example, I had a VGC team that had both Mega Manectric and Mega Charizard Y. Occasionally, I'd surprise some people by leading with Mega Charizard-Y, and then switching in Manectric into a predicted Electric move to get a Lightning Rod boost, and saving Mega Charizard Y from a big hit!

Overall, while Mega Evolution powers up most Pokémon, it also adds a whole new layer to team building because of its restrictions!

EDIT: I also forgot to mention: Mega Evolution does not affect your Speed stat until the next turn. This can be pretty annoying when stuff like Mega Lucario can't outspeed say, Palkia on turn 1.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Yeah, I run 2 Megas in my VGC team too.

 

[todd360]

What if Nintendo hired official gym leaders. We would have to pay for a pass on the Eshop. I'm thinking $10-$20 dollars for a pass that allows you to challenge them. $20 dollars should be a year pass at least. There would have to be multiple gym leaders for the same gym, because this is gonna be very popular I imagine. These people would be part time paid gym leaders haha. That is why you have to pay to get in. If you manage to beat all 4, you get to challenge the elite 4. Maybe make it $5 dollars to challenge them. Your first attempt should be free however. All of this should be live-streamed. The Elite 4 need to be live streamed at the very least. If you manage to win they send you a gift in the mail. Something really cool like a official pokemon master hat. Something that shows that you are top tier level at pokemon. You should also get something cool on the in-game pokemon badge.

Oh yeah I guess there would be ad revenue in it for Nintendo as well. If they live stream it all.

 

[Subtervotion]

What if Nintendo hired official gym leaders. We would have to pay for a pass on the Eshop. I'm thinking $10-$20 dollars for a pass that allows you to challenge them. $20 dollars should be a year pass at least. There would have to be multiple gym leaders for the same gym, because this is gonna be very popular I imagine. These people would be part time paid gym leaders haha. That is why you have to pay to get in. If you manage to beat all 4, you get to challenge the elite 4. Maybe make it $5 dollars to challenge them. Your first attempt should be free however. All of this should be live-streamed. The Elite 4 need to be live streamed at the very least. If you manage to win they send you a gift in the mail. Something really cool like a official pokemon master hat. Something that shows that you are top tier level at pokemon. You should also get something cool on the in-game pokemon badge.

Oh yeah I guess there would be ad revenue in it for Nintendo as well. If they live stream it all.

My friend has wanted this for ages. Would Nintendo ever do this though? Seems doubtful. I would be all for it though.

 

[todd360]

My friend has wanted this for ages. Would Nintendo ever do this though? Seems doubtful. I would be all for it though.

I think it could rake in a lot of money. I would green light it.

 

[Theorymon]

It's funny, I'm nearly positive I'll go with M-Swampert because I love his design so much, but all I can think about are the battle implications of M-Sceptile, lol.

- In Doubles, M-Sceptile's Lightning Rod can be a great asset for 4X-weak Pokémon like Gyarados.

- Treecko and Helioptile share the same egg group. If Treecko can learn Electrify as an Egg Move, then M-Sceptile can use it to turn opponents' moves into Electric-types (provided he outspeeds them, which is likely), at which point their attack is rendered harmless by Lightning Rod, and M-Sceptile's Sp. Attack goes up the same turn.

- Lightning Rod makes M-Sceptile almost entirely "paralyze-proof," since it shuts down Thunder Wave and Sceptile is already immune to Stun Spore being a Grass-type. Only the seldom-used Glare and certain moves with a low chance of paralyzing (Body Slam, etc.) stand to impair Sceptile's impeccable Speed.

I'd like to add the fact that Unlike any other Lightning Rod Pokémon for doubles, Mega Sceptile gets a STAB Super Effective hit on Rotom-W and 4x resists Hydro Pump. This is pretty rad, because against the others, Rotom-W can easily just Hydro Pump your ass. Also, not being weak to Rotom-H's Overheat is pretty cool too.

Hopefully Mega Sceptile's stats are good, because having a Lightning Rod Pokémon that annihilates Rotom-W sounds VERY interesting for doubles metagames. And of course, I hope it has the stats to compete in the Ubers metagame as well .

 

[Sigismundo]

EDIT: I also forgot to mention: Mega Evolution does not affect your Speed stat until the next turn. This can be pretty annoying when stuff like Mega Lucario can't outspeed say, Palkia on turn 1.

This actually hurts Mega Swampert quite a bit unless he gets some sort of absurd defensive increase.

What I think is gonna happen is exactly that but with a big Speed drop and Swift Swim is making up for it.

 

[Mush]

Should've given Mega Swampert Sap Sipper.

This.

 

[Metroidvania]

May's hairclip/bow looks weeeeeird. Hopefully we can find a bandana somewhere.

Other than that, everything looks pretty good.

Now, just confirm spot/streetpass secret bases, and we'll be in business, Nintendo.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Mega Swampert is the best thing ever.

 

[Neiteio]

I'd like to add the fact that Unlike any other Lightning Rod Pokémon for doubles, Mega Sceptile gets a STAB Super Effective hit on Rotom-W and 4x resists Hydro Pump. This is pretty rad, because against the others, Rotom-W can easily just Hydro Pump your ass. Also, not being weak to Rotom-H's Overheat is pretty cool too.

Hopefully Mega Sceptile's stats are good, because having a Lightning Rod Pokémon that annihilates Rotom-W sounds VERY interesting for doubles metagames. And of course, I hope it has the stats to compete in the Ubers metagame as well .

Oh yeah, M-Sceptile should be great against Rotom-W and even Rotom-H, like you said. He just needs a move to hit them back with since they would resist his Grass-type moves.

 

[Beelzebufo]

What if Nintendo hired official gym leaders. We would have to pay for a pass on the Eshop. I'm thinking $10-$20 dollars for a pass that allows you to challenge them. $20 dollars should be a year pass at least. There would have to be multiple gym leaders for the same gym, because this is gonna be very popular I imagine. These people would be part time paid gym leaders haha. That is why you have to pay to get in. If you manage to beat all 4, you get to challenge the elite 4. Maybe make it $5 dollars to challenge them. Your first attempt should be free however. All of this should be live-streamed. The Elite 4 need to be live streamed at the very least. If you manage to win they send you a gift in the mail. Something really cool like a official pokemon master hat. Something that shows that you are top tier level at pokemon. You should also get something cool on the in-game pokemon badge.

Oh yeah I guess there would be ad revenue in it for Nintendo as well. If they live stream it all.

This sounds like a huge waste of money. You wouldn't have to pay for it if they did something like that, nobody would do it.

The hat wouldn't say "I'm a Pokemon master", it'd say "I'm reckless with money".

Also, wouldn't rotom be able to fuck up Sceptile with wilowisp?

 

[Subtervotion]

I think it could rake in a lot of money. I would green light it.

I bet you're right, but this is Nintendo so I'm not expecting it.

 

[flintstryker]

Until I get Mega Feraligatr and Mega Typhlosion Pokemon will be dead to me.

I like you

 

[Subtervotion]

Oh yeah, M-Sceptile should be great against Rotom-W and even Rotom-H, like you said. He just needs a move to hit them back with since they would resist his Grass-type moves.

Rotom-W would run scared from a M-Sceptile. All fear the x-mas tree tail! My Rotom Frost however, would welcome M-Sceptile to the battle with open arms.

 

[PreyingShark]

Oh yeah, M-Sceptile should be great against Rotom-W and even Rotom-H, like you said. He just needs a move to hit them back with since they would resist his Grass-type moves.

Rotom-W doesn't resist Grass-type moves. Actually, if Mega Sceptile has at least 135 base special attack then it'll be able to OHKO even the bulkiest of Rotom-W with Leaf Storm.

As for Rotom-H... Haven't done the calculations yet but Dragon Pulse should still do a decent deal of damage. And there's no way Sceptile won't be able to learn Dragon Pulse once again in ORAS.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Any info on Groudon and Kyogre's typing after the Devolution? Or is it the same? Or we don't know yet?

 

[sorakirosaki]

This sounds like a huge waste of money. You wouldn't have to pay for it if they did something like that, nobody would do it.

The hat wouldn't say "I'm a Pokemon master", it'd say "I'm reckless with money".

Also, wouldn't rotom be able to fuck up Sceptile with wilowisp?

well technically will-o-wisp could hinder a lot of sceptile physical movepool, depending on its stats ie if it becomes more special focused Will o wisp wont really do anything outside causing burn damage i think

 

[Neiteio]

Rotom-W doesn't resist Grass-type moves. Actually, if Mega Sceptile has at least 135 base special attack then it'll be able to OHKO even the bulkiest of Rotom-W with Leaf Storm.

As for Rotom-H... Haven't done the calculations yet but Dragon Pulse should still do a decent deal of damage. And there's no way Sceptile won't be able to learn Dragon Pulse once again in ORAS.

Ah, thanks for correcting me, and yeah, you raise good points regarding possible attacks. It'd be very satisfying to have a reliable check against all of the Japanese players using those two Rotoms...

 

[Beelzebufo]

well technically will-o-wisp could hinder a lot of sceptile physical movepool, depending on its stats ie if it becomes more special focused it Will o wisp wont really do anything outside causing burn damage i think

Oh good call. If he's special focused, game over man

I guess Togekiss would be a good counter, huh?

 

[Muzy72]

I kind of wish we hadn't seen this until E3. Along with the inevitable new characters in Smash Bros. and Hyrule Warriors, it'd be quite the feast of cool new character designs.

We'll probably see the new Megas in motion at E3, though. It'll be fun seeing Mega Swampert and Mega Sceptile in action.

Well these are all unofficial CoroCoro leaks, so it's your fault for looking!

 

[RAWi]

Oh god...

I cant totally see now, the return of Ruby and Sapphire from Pokemon Adventures...

NEW ARC! Yaaaaay! Please let Ruby be the most awesomest of all trainers and MC x3

 

[MrCookiepants]

Holy shit just saw this. I am so choosing Treecko for my starter. Mega Sceptile is everything that I wanted.

Leaf Storm + Draco Meteor would be a pretty fun STAB combo along with Earthquake for a mixed attacking set.

Spoiler

It would be awesome if Mega Evolving activated Unburden

 

[Neiteio]

Well these are all unofficial CoroCoro leaks, so it's your fault for looking!

Yeah, that's true. And when I saw the thread title, I clicked so fast it was imperceptible to the human eye!

 

[todd360]

This sounds like a huge waste of money. You wouldn't have to pay for it if they did something like that, nobody would do it.

The hat wouldn't say "I'm a Pokemon master", it'd say "I'm reckless with money".

Also, wouldn't rotom be able to fuck up Sceptile with wilowisp?

They would have to hire people to play pokemon 24/7. That costs money bro. Plus there needs to be a price gate so everyone playing the game doesn't try to compete. A massive wait list to challenge the gym leaders would suck.

Also a hat that says I'm a pokemon master would be garbage. I meant a hat like the hats the protags of the games wear. Something exclusive and cool.

 

[sorakirosaki]

Oh good call. If he's special focused, game over man

I guess Togekiss would be a good counter, huh?

togekiss would probably be a good counter thinking about it since it resists grass and completely nulls dragon i would assume fairy types in general will probably be pretty good i could see flogres walling it as well since it gets stab fairy and resists leafstorm as well

 

[Beelzebufo]

They would have to hire people to play pokemon 24/7. That costs money bro. Plus there needs to be a price gate so everyone playing the game doesn't try to compete. A massive wait list to challenge the gym leaders would suck.

Don't they already pay people to do stuff like run customer service? It would be a fun extra promotion for the game. There could be a qualifying thing to cut down on costs. All I'm saying is if it cost that kind of money, all id think when I saw a guy with that reward would be "what a sucker" because he wasted money.

 

[Neiteio]

Let people run their own gyms. Set them up like tournaments in MK8. You specify, "On this day, at this time, I will accept challengers on a first-come, first-served basis. All Pokémon will scale to level [blank]. Beat me and you win the [blank] Badge." Then people can check a list of active challenges at any given time, and if it's the appointed time and you're available to accept a challenge, you'll show up on the list as "Open."

 

[todd360]

Don't they already pay people to do stuff like run customer service? It would be a fun extra promotion for the game. There could be a qualifying thing to cut down on costs. All I'm saying is if it cost that kind of money, all id think when I saw a guy with that reward would be "what a sucker" because he wasted money.

Is 10-20 dollars to compete in a official pokemon gym challenge really that much? You guys are acting like I said $60.

 

[Takashi]

I just saw this and much excite.

But uhh.. why the hell does Steven have a mega charizard??

Also is it level 100?

 

[Beelzebufo]

Is 10-20 dollars to compete in a official pokemon gym challenge really that much? You guys are acting like I said $60.

That's almost double the price of the game. Yes haha

 

[Styles]

Treecko it is. Grass/Dragon, finally. Woo Lord!

Mega Sceptile looks so good.

 

[Ultratech]

Hmm...neat stuff.

Mega Sceptile doesn't look too bad. Odd ability though.

Mega Swampert's been hitting those Pokeroids. lol

New character designs seem...off in a way, but that's probably just me.

 

[CassSept]

They'd melt from the heat.

Wearing that in the Pokemon equivalent of Okinawa would kill you of heat stroke.

The main characters did get tanner to reflect the region so that's good.

Hoenn is Kyushu though, not Okinawa. Your point still stands, but just a little nitpicking.

 

[ALM5252]

I dislike Brendan and May's bigger eyes Brendan's tan, and May's ribbon compared to the bandana hat.

Other than that the match the atmosphere of Hoenn.

 

[Wazzy]

Ew the new trainer designs are awful.

I wish the hat thing wasn't real. I really liked the design when I thought it was his hair.

Whatever, still hyped for this. Trainer design doesn't really affect my enjoyment.

 

[sorakirosaki]

I dislike Brendan and May's bigger eyes Brendan's tan, and May's ribbon compared to the bandana hat.

Other than that the match the atmosphere of Hoenn.

i really hope the bandana comes back in some form :/ it was probably my favorite hat

 

[Amazeballs]

I wonder what kind of differences there will be in the story. Mega Evolution and a Devolution mechanic should be significant enough to warrant changes to the original game's plot.

Because sap sipper would give swampert immunity to the only type it's weak to?

Grass moves are not difficult to switch into. There are not shortage of viable pokemon that can, say, take a +2 Leaf Storm from Roserade and force it out. Swift Swim covers Swamperts low speed, which is arguably one of his greater weaknesses. The other is lack of recovery, but maybe GF will give that to him as well.

 

[jakefromstatefarm]

GF for not fucking up Mega Sceptile's second type, and hyped as fuck from that shot of talking to Steven.