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Pokémon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire : Mega Slowbro and Mega Audino leaked
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tim_pkmn89
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My biggest problem with Megas is that you never really get a good chance to use them since you're limited to 1 at a time, and most of the stones in X/Y were post-game. At that point it's just quickly grind up a Pokemon for them; ironic considering the story explanation for them involves the bond between the trainer and Pokemon.
I dunno why but I love everything about these sentences
There is no doubt that I'm sure a lot of the thought behind Mega Evolutions has to do with that "SWAG", "Beyond your Limits", etc. factor and I can see how that might irk people (though some seem upset to a degree that seems disproportionate to this mechanic regardless of how much you dislike it). The way they play out and their pros/cons means they aren't directly comparable to forms/regular evolutions however so I feel those comparisons feel a bit flat. There are some Pokemon who got Megas who I would have liked to have gotten full evolutions but there are other who I like having the option to switch between regular and mega form mid-match so I'm glad they aren't actually forms or additional evos.
Winterfang
Banned
Mega Pokemon are great, they revitalize the uber game so it's not strictly legendaries and give the team a leader in a way.
This pretty much, Sylveon should not be the only new evolution for past Pokémon with the rest getting Mega especially those that don't have evolution or are currently two stage. Furthermore they shouldn't prevent new Pokémon existing Gen 6 has the lowest new Pokémon count period.
At this point it feels like that Game Freak is so focus on Mega that the series is slowly changing into something that can't enjoy and be a part of it.
I was really excited for gen 6 as it was Pokémon first step into 3D and I greeted with nothing but disappointment and Game Freak still continues to disappoint me.
I am still excited for Pokémon Omega Ruby but it isn't as high when I was for Pokémon Y.
Not really Mega aren't counted in the in-game Pokédex thus do they count as new Pokémon, making the term "Mega evolution" misleading since it's the Pokémon version of Burst mode.
They are nothing more than a souped up form changed and anyone saying otherwise need to look at the in game Pokédex and will find Mega data in the forme section.
How so?
Also, I wouldn't blame Mega Evolutions for the issues you listed when GF has the ability to do more if they want.
I would argue that it is overkill on Lucario unless you're playing by VGC rules where Weavile wouldn't be all that good either way. Also, you're ignoring the fact that Mega Lucario can't use an item, while Adaptability Weavile would be able to use anything it want.
Mega Evolutions are the best thing to happen to the metagame for a while, next to the Physical/Special split. I feel like most of the complaints of Mega's are in relation to the story and journey to the Elite 4, and how little they add/mesh to it. Perfectly fine, I'd say the majority that play Pokemon go in with the intent of becoming the Champion and catching all the legendaries before putting the game down.
However, from a competitive standpoint, they provide such a solid anchor to teams to build around and give so many Pokemon different builds and playstyles (alongside making some that were completely useless into competitively viable) that there is absolutely no way I can ever dislike the inclusion of them within the world of Pokemon.
However, from a competitive standpoint, they provide such a solid anchor to teams to build around and give so many Pokemon different builds and playstyles (alongside making some that were completely useless into competitively viable) that there is absolutely no way I can ever dislike the inclusion of them within the world of Pokemon.
KittenMaster
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I like to think Gamefreak just doesn't want to have to keep coming up with new evolution gimmicks to explain previously fully evolved Pokemon getting new evolutions when a Megastone is a universal mechanic for it now. It's also put a lot of previously shelved Pokemon back into the spotlight, or given spotlight to Pokemon that were never used to begin with.
Beelzebufo
Banned
This is true, and its definitely something I appreciate. Gen IV got ridiculous with some of those requirements.
SatelliteOfLove
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I'd just like to chime in that having already Uber/OU/Legendary mons getting Megas that do anything more than change around stats, add-switch a Type, or switch out the Ability. We're seeing massive mudflation.
Stuff like M-Kangaskhan though is hilarious and I can't hate that. Worst to first is OK.
Stuff like M-Kangaskhan though is hilarious and I can't hate that. Worst to first is OK.
MasterSheen
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Lucario is pretty powerful but I don't think Adaptability Weavile would be all that bad. Its strongest moves are all less than 90BP. Not that it wouldn't be a great boon for it, but boosted Ice Shard and Knock Off would be its main benefits.
Mega Slowbro looks fucking amazing. It just makes perfect sense. Slowbro has finally achieved true unity with the Shellder! Shame about the shitty ability though. I mean it fits the design but come on Gamefreak.
As for Audino...I still don't like the Pokemon but that's an improvement over the original design in every single way.
As for Audino...I still don't like the Pokemon but that's an improvement over the original design in every single way.
Winterfang
Banned
Anyone knows the name of the smogon forum when people are discussion the current mega announcements?
Shadow Broker
Banned
You said Adaptability would be over kill on Weavile (from what I've seen a Pokemon that's never used competitively and thought as weak according to certain forums) and then say it wouldn't be good either way in VGC. Kind of confused on your thinking.
There are quite a few Pokemon that are just the right ability away from being viable competitively. Off the top of my head
Metagross (a new ability like Filter, without its Mega upgrade)
Salamence (a new ability like MultiScale, again without its Mega)
Weavile (even though I use it now)
Dusknior (HP upgrade)
There's more that I can't think of right now (long day) but it'll only improve the overall game if Gamefreak went back and gave out new abilities, relocate stats, or add some more stat points to final evolved Pokemon that needs them. Another evolution or a Mega evo aren't the only ways to make any Pokemon more viable.
Do they ban every announced mega?
E_Darkness
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Mega Slowbro is the best mega evolution I've seen so far. It is perfect for Slowbro. He looks so helpless and derpy, it is great.
I was saying that Weavile would be overkill in singles, but bad in VGC.
My problem with Adaptability Weavile is that base 120 atk and base 125 speed with Adaptability powering up one of the best attacking types in the game currently, and whatever item you want is too much. The real problem with Weavile is that its frail and its typing isn't exactly good defensively. It doesn't need any help offensively.
Since you mentioned Salamence I'm assuming you play Standard, and GameFreak is never going to acknowledge, let alone recreate Pokemon just to make certain Pokemon stick out more. Game Freak could make certain Pokemon better by going back and changing everything, but people will just end up picking out the best Pokemon and rest of the metagame will just form around them.
Also, the Pokemon you listed are already viable and just aren't used much either because of their typing vs the current meta makes them "harder" to use, or because they are simply outclassed by other Pokemon that do the same job better against what's used the most. For these Pokemon to shoot up in usage you would either need to change the metagame or give them huge enough stats/abilities to where it doesn't matter and then you end up with Pokemon that people will just want banned.
lol
Pegosaurus
Banned
On the one hand, I look at something like Mega Kanghaskan and lose faith in the Mega concept (and humanity in general)
But on the other hand...
IT'S MEGA ALAKAZAM
LOOK AT ITS BEARD
LOOK AT ITS SPOONS
LOOK AT ITS FIVE POINT HEAD
IT'S LEVITATING
IT'S REACHED TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT
TRACE, 175 SPA AND 150 SPEED, AHHHH SO COOL
Ahem.
But on the other hand...
IT'S MEGA ALAKAZAM
LOOK AT ITS BEARD
LOOK AT ITS SPOONS
LOOK AT ITS FIVE POINT HEAD
IT'S LEVITATING
IT'S REACHED TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT
TRACE, 175 SPA AND 150 SPEED, AHHHH SO COOL
Ahem.
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MrCookiepants
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Slowbro is amazing, lmao. The look on its face. Just perfect. I never cared much for Audino and the Mega doesn't change that. I guess it's an improvement though.
and yes, Mega Alakazam is flawless.
and yes, Mega Alakazam is flawless.
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I never get the Digimon reference. If anything GF openly admits it's a DBZ reference.
But then again plebeians gonna pleb.
But then again plebeians gonna pleb.
To be fair, Mega Kanghaskhan makes sense. It's a lazy design, but it makes sense. Same with Mega Slowbro.
All mega evolutions should just add more hair to pokemon.
Mega Ampharos will never not be the best thing ever.
Yeah but they could always just retcon things. They retcon everything else, but for some reason evolutions that should've been possible earlier are a big no-no.
this gif is so fucking coolAll mega evolutions should just add more hair to pokemon.
Mega Ampharos will never not be the best thing ever.
are there any other digimon-pokemon gifs like that?
fredrancour
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No, it seems to basically go, "this thing is killing us constantly, let's hold a formal investigation to see if it's actually broken." Then they hold some "suspect test" that attempts to seem democratic but I don't really know details. Aegislash just got banned recently. They're investigating mega mawile. Everybody is acting like it's a shoein to be banned, and seems to expect that this will just create a niche for the next offensive mega to seem broken and come under investigation in turn.
Also, "banned" just means "restricted to only the ubers tier."
ShironRedshift
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Well, don't know about .GIFs, but I recently stumbled onto these YouTube videos of Charmander and Squirtle evolving Digimon style, which were pretty fucking awesome IMO.
Charmander: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsXXvZd2of0
Squirtle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko6o1dExSzM
There's a special ladder for suspect testing, where the Pokemon/item being suspected is banned. At the end of the testing period everyone who was above a given ladder rating votes whether the metagame with the ban is more promising than the metagame without.
The reason it's acting like a shoe-in is because the overlap between the people who call for the suspect tests and the people who vote on them is pretty high.
EDIT: Also, the REALLY interesting suspect test at the moment is Gengarite in Ubers, because banning things from Ubers is super rare.
Mega Alakazam looks absolutely terrible. I'd like it if the beard was like Alakazam's:
but it looks bad with normal looking hair.
I'm not a fan of its two spoons evolving into five spoons either...
In another life...
In another time...
I think we could have been good friends.
Exploratory
Banned
Mega Slowbro?
It doesn't even look like they tried LOL
My exact reaction.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Okay.. Replace Salamence with Flareon or any Eveelution. Yes eventually the Evee lines will get Mega's and be improved but that's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about more evolutions or more mega evolutions (I'm fine with both though) I'm talking about going to Every Pokemon Evolution line and making each final evolution in that line competitively viable by relocating stats, adding some more base stats, and giving a ability that makes sense so the the very Pokemon they themselves created could see the light of day in competitive use. Yes there always going to be a Pokemon that does something better than other ones but if the other ones are close to the ones that does it the best than that will be more game changing than Mega Evo ever will be.
Edit: I also agree with what you're saying.
I don't think its possible to make a game that balanced and if they did it would be done to improve Doubles.
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