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Pokemon X and Y, 7 months later
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Definitely.
Both Gen 5 games are better than X&Y, but if you haven't played since Gen 1, you might enjoy XY more as it is a more modern experience and includes more older Pokemon.
I would jump into X/Y, the DS games no longer have wifi multiplayer.
Even if multiplayer doesn't interest you I would still say X/Y because I personally didn't care for B/W.
This is what keeps me coming back. I normally go through a "hype" period with the game and play thru the campaign and battle then kinda fall off till the next game. The ease of battling coupled with the even easier time actually raising competitive pokemon keeps me coming back every day. I can only hope that keeps going into the future.
Ok cool thanks. Think I might do both. Pick up X/Y now and see if I can get BW second hand or cheap. The technical talk about X/Y has me worried though as I'm sensitive to framerate on a smaller screen.
Last question with B/W .. is there any reason to pick up Black V1 over V2? I mean is B2 just like an update or is it a full fledged sequel?
Never said, that there aren't bad designed Pokémon in other Pokémon games. I used those 2 to emphasize my point, because I think, that Pokémon X and Y have the worst new Pokémon, of all Pokémon games.
And I really don't care, what Klefki is, it's just a bad design and saying, that the keys aren't a part of the Pokémon, doesn't excuse that point at all for me, because without them, the Pokémon would lose it's purpose...
Framerate should be fine as long as you keep the 3D off.
BW2 are intended to be played after the player has played BW as they take place two years after but they still work as a standalone experience.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
A lot of pokemon have items that aren't "part" of them
And I disagree. It has banchou panda, a fucking T-rex, a barnacle man, a howitzer crustacean, a slime dragon monster, a possessed royalty sword that conspires, and many other more. Hell, I'd argue that it has the best themed starter trio.
Ah ok cool thanks. That's good to hear can't stand the 3D effect anyway.
MegaMelon
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Most people thought XY had better designed designs but I can get what your saying. IMO gen 4 designs were much worse than XY, just adding spikes and making the pokemon more complicated and bigger ugh. Out of curiosity, what gen has the best designs in your opinion?
Trickster
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They still lack the organic look of the early gen legendaries though. I'm tired of robotic looking legendary pokemon :/
"Here's one that looks kind of like an 'X', and here's another that looks kind of like a 'Y'... I think we hit gold, guys."
Trickster
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Robotic?
Well compared to an articuno or ho-oh they don't look very much like natural creatures imo. I mean Yveltal is a flying pokemon, yet it's wings looks nothing like something that would enable it too fly by natural means
And this does?
The classic Pokémon look plain because the GameBoy couldn't handle much detail. Since Gen III, they've been able to include such detail and stop Pokémon just being one or two colours
Nevermind, I got that wrong.
Tough one, but Gen 3. It has the least amount of Pokémon, that I don't like, design wise.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You shared your opinion, so it's then open for discussion. Since when are opinions magically not for discussion?
wait what
Trickster
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And this does?
The classic Pokémon look plain because the GameBoy couldn't handle much detail. Since Gen III, they've been able to include such detail and stop Pokémon just being one or two colours
Zapdos does look kinda iffy. But it still looks more like a flying pokemon than Yveltal imo. Zapdos' design also communicates what kind of pokemon it is than Yveltal.
In general I just think the early pokemon, that were mostly based on either real world or mythical references, were far superior to the ones we get now. The modern pokemon just look to clean and perfect I guess? Arcanine compared to Pyroar comes to mind
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I disagree, if anything I feel the old designs save for a few tend to be "generic". A lot of new Pokemon tend to have a rich lore in them in terms of designs.
And I'm confused how you mistook Yveltal and Xerneas as robotic or something.
MegaMelon
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Hmm yeah I can understand that, evven though I started with gen 3, there's still some designs in there thatI hate.
Blastoise comes to mind. A tortouise with cannons on its back. Yup real world and mythical all right. Gen one had mainly animals, but that doesn't mean that for a pokemon design to be good it has to stick to that animal and not add anything to it.
To me, it sounded like: "Your opinion is wrong."
Nevermind then and sorry.
I mean, you will find bad designs in every game. What matters, is the amount of bad designs, that you personally don't like.
Is Gen 4 your least favourite, design wise?
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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It's my favorite Pokemon since Gen II.
One of the things I really liked about it was that it didn't throw a stupid amount of "psuedo-legendaries" at you. It stuck to three new legendaries, and a handful of returning ones. I hope this trend continues.
I also think the vast majority of the new pokemon look great. They obviously went with quality over quantity this time around.
The game was faaaaaaar too easy though.
EDIT: Also, Xerneas is easily my favorite legendary ever. That thing actually looks like a creature that would be featured in, you know, a legend. Plus, deer are one of my favorite animals, so...
One of the things I really liked about it was that it didn't throw a stupid amount of "psuedo-legendaries" at you. It stuck to three new legendaries, and a handful of returning ones. I hope this trend continues.
I also think the vast majority of the new pokemon look great. They obviously went with quality over quantity this time around.
The game was faaaaaaar too easy though.
EDIT: Also, Xerneas is easily my favorite legendary ever. That thing actually looks like a creature that would be featured in, you know, a legend. Plus, deer are one of my favorite animals, so...
I really saw the game as a demonstration of how Pokemon will work from now on, introducing the 3D models, new typing and mega evolution, but mostly focusing on pokemon we already knew. As a game, I really enjoyed it but it would have been nice to have more to do after the main campaign was over. It definitely resparked my interest in Pokemon, which has been gone since Emerald. Very excited for the Hoenn remakes in the same style.
Trickster
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I mean it's obviously subjective. But to me the first two gens of pokemon just had better design and looked more believable. New pokemons often have this overly clean look about them that just makes them feel fake and out of place. Again, compare Arcanine to Pyroar. Pyroar have this perfect mane/hair that looks like a stylist spend 2 hours getting it just right, it's just to "clean" imo.
I never mistook the X/Y legendaries for robotic. I just think that they look robotic/inorganic/unrealistic or whatever you want to call it. They don't look like living organic creatures to me
MegaMelon
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Yeah I'd say so. It's just that if you compare the gen 4 designs to any other gen aside from maybe 3, you'll see they've really over-complicated things. I feel quite a few gen 4 pokemon would be better if they were simpler. Tho I kinda find a lot of gen 4 pokemon unnecessary like Magmortar, Electivire, Rhyperior, the baby pokemon etc. To each their own but if you try and think of designs for mega gen 4 pokemon it is a bit more difficult as there's already a lot of stuff going on.
I play for the campaign. I play to explore the routes/towns and battle trainers for exp. When I say there wasn't any post-game, what I'm disappointed in was a lack of a large new area to explore after beating the E4. D/P had that island to the upper right of the map, B/W had the entire east half of Unova to explore, X/Y had one town.
The lack of that in X/Y is what really put me off. While third versions do add to the post game, the last two original pairs at least had something like that to offer me. But not this time.
The lack of that in X/Y is what really put me off. While third versions do add to the post game, the last two original pairs at least had something like that to offer me. But not this time.
Really liked these games. They streamlined so much stuff in these games like a huge variety of early routes Pokemon, Breeding, EV Training, early Exp. Share so you're not stuck with like 2 strong Pokemon and 4 fillers (and the option to turn it off).
The 3D also looked nice with beautiful animations and it just felt like a breath of fresh air for this serie. It kind of lacks post-game content, but the main game was definitely a joy to play.
The 3D also looked nice with beautiful animations and it just felt like a breath of fresh air for this serie. It kind of lacks post-game content, but the main game was definitely a joy to play.
BumblebeeCody
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Pretty much. I'm still playing it. Loving it too.
And this does?
The classic Pokémon look plain because the GameBoy couldn't handle much detail. Since Gen III, they've been able to include such detail and stop Pokémon just being one or two colours
Nah, look at Jynx as an example of a complex (not necessarily good) gen 1 pokemon design
The designers (cant remember which ones) stated that each generation is meant to look different from the rest (said around Gen 3's release) - with Gen 3 going for a more tropical vibrant and more outlandish look as it isn't directly connecrted to Kanto/Johto so the style is different.
Eh, is Ken Sugimoris book out yet?
It depends on what you're looking for. B/W are basically Pokemon rebooted, the entire dex during the main story is all-new Pokemon, so the game has a really fresh feeling to it. However some people really have an aversion to that concept so you might be more interested in X/Y, which has a gigantic ingame dex filled with Pokemon from all generations. Also, since we're currently in Gen 6 it has a huge active online community. Gen 5's online just got shut down.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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You might as well just wait for OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire since its coming this fall.
TheBanditKing
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It might just be series fatigue but I found the game a bit dull, I honestly got bored and never went back. I did not like Diamond/Pearl either but played the Gold remake for hours. I'm hoping to enjoy Omega Ruby but we will see.
X and Y are the best games since Gold/Silver, easily so.
That said the series is still ludicrously flawed, and you have to put up with a bunch of BS to enjoy it. And X/Y are a technical disaster, from the missing 3D to some truly appalling frame-rates.
But most of the important stuff they got right, and that's what matters.
That said the series is still ludicrously flawed, and you have to put up with a bunch of BS to enjoy it. And X/Y are a technical disaster, from the missing 3D to some truly appalling frame-rates.
But most of the important stuff they got right, and that's what matters.
Lord_Byron28
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Notice how all the games you listed were the 3rd iteration of the game. Its a common pattern of GF's to load up on a lot of content for the final version but then skimp on the next mainline game. I remember being pretty annoyed with D/P after Emerald.
yeah Gen 6 to me was the best overall pokemon designs in a long time. Gen 4 was easily the worst. A lot of the additional evolutions were terrible.
I see what you mean with Pyroar but I was never a big fan of that design. However I dont see how you can look at Xerneas and say it looks inorganic/unrealistic but say Zapdos, Moltres, Lugia and Mewtwo do. In fact Lugia has a similar frame to Yveltal as well in terms of ability to fly. I thought these legendaries were great and on par with the first two generation of Pokemon because they looked like real creatures that belonged in legends and they had an interesting backstory. Not robot dragon gods.
I've been playing since Red/Blue, and I loved X/Y despite the many shortcomings.
I agree that Lumiose City is a pain and the camera needs a lot of tweaking. Zoom it out, or give me control of the camera, I don't care, but the way it is now is not good.
I love the addition of Pokemon Bank now, which means I'll never have a problem filling my Pokedex again when I finally get the legendaries which I don't have (Deoxys, Mew, and some of the other exceedingly hard to get ones.)
X/Y had some great emotional moments, like the Looker Quest and Az. Keep things like that and get rid of the crappy rivals (only one of them actually matters anyway).
I have high hopes for the Ruby/Sapphire remakes since I imagine the bulk of X/Y development was the 3D aspect and the new engine. I really hope they go balls out and add all the postgame content and gameplay tweaks which made earlier entries so awesome.
I agree that Lumiose City is a pain and the camera needs a lot of tweaking. Zoom it out, or give me control of the camera, I don't care, but the way it is now is not good.
I love the addition of Pokemon Bank now, which means I'll never have a problem filling my Pokedex again when I finally get the legendaries which I don't have (Deoxys, Mew, and some of the other exceedingly hard to get ones.)
X/Y had some great emotional moments, like the Looker Quest and Az. Keep things like that and get rid of the crappy rivals (only one of them actually matters anyway).
I have high hopes for the Ruby/Sapphire remakes since I imagine the bulk of X/Y development was the 3D aspect and the new engine. I really hope they go balls out and add all the postgame content and gameplay tweaks which made earlier entries so awesome.
Oswen
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A step in the right direction with 3D models, online features, breeding mechanics and the fairy type.
A shame for the very few new mons, non-existant postgame, shallow story/characters and horrid technical optimization/3d effect (shame on you GF!).
I still think it's one of the best gens, hoping for more in the future!
A shame for the very few new mons, non-existant postgame, shallow story/characters and horrid technical optimization/3d effect (shame on you GF!).
I still think it's one of the best gens, hoping for more in the future!
Max Knight
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I love the 3D graphics in X/Y, and Generation VI's new Pokémon are cooler than every set since Gen. II, IMO. It's a home run, if you ask me.
Oh, also, the breeding changes are a godsend.
Oh, also, the breeding changes are a godsend.
peanutbutterlatte
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Played it to completion, got bored at lack of things to do after. Also really pissed me off the overworld was 3D, way more than is reasonable...
In the same boat, do not see it happening before November haha. I would like to get at least one game with a full Pokedex, though. Might have to be Z.
I hadn't really played a Pokemon game since Gold and I would say I overall enjoyed it but there were still things that were a let down for me.
Firstly, I remember the beginning of the game having a tonne of tutorial material but none of it being very clear. I don't know if it assumed you already had some sort of a grasp of the mechanics introduced with each iteration but since I retained little of what they were trying to explain I ended up figuring things out as I went along.
Since I hadn't played for a while there were multiple generations of new Pokemon for me to find. The problem was that I ended up falling back on the Pokemon I was familiar with. I don't think there's a real solution to it but I read that Black/White limited it to brand new Pokemon until post-game which sounds like a fair solution. Sort of along the same lines, half my team was made up of Pokemon given to me by characters in the game.
Lumiose city and the world in general weren't very memorable for me. I thought it started off fine but Lumiose city was confusing and the controls felt janky as well. The "hub" city is pretty cool conceptually but it didn't work out so well in practice. I've read people complaining about how linear the paths to the cities were but that didn't really bother me.
EV (IV?) training was something I didn't care for before but since it was deemed to be more accessible I thought I might as well give it a shot. I thought the weird little games worked fine for one or two Pokemon but as I went on I found the whole experience to be tedious.
Firstly, I remember the beginning of the game having a tonne of tutorial material but none of it being very clear. I don't know if it assumed you already had some sort of a grasp of the mechanics introduced with each iteration but since I retained little of what they were trying to explain I ended up figuring things out as I went along.
Since I hadn't played for a while there were multiple generations of new Pokemon for me to find. The problem was that I ended up falling back on the Pokemon I was familiar with. I don't think there's a real solution to it but I read that Black/White limited it to brand new Pokemon until post-game which sounds like a fair solution. Sort of along the same lines, half my team was made up of Pokemon given to me by characters in the game.
Lumiose city and the world in general weren't very memorable for me. I thought it started off fine but Lumiose city was confusing and the controls felt janky as well. The "hub" city is pretty cool conceptually but it didn't work out so well in practice. I've read people complaining about how linear the paths to the cities were but that didn't really bother me.
EV (IV?) training was something I didn't care for before but since it was deemed to be more accessible I thought I might as well give it a shot. I thought the weird little games worked fine for one or two Pokemon but as I went on I found the whole experience to be tedious.
Elfforkusu
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Played it probably 40 hours. Had a team of 10 or so level 50+ dudes. Enjoyed it.
Plot is nonexistent, though, which is why I basically haven't played the game since november.
Plot is nonexistent, though, which is why I basically haven't played the game since november.