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weehomer said:
What do you usually play? I'm looking to introduce some new games into our repertoire.
Currently we play five card draw, seven card stud, Texas Hold 'Em, Guts, Screw Your Neighbor and occasionally a round or two of blackjack.
I used to play Black Mariah and Baseball, Low Chicago with another group, but I've forgotten the rules for these games.
Also- what are your house rules?
Trakball said:My friends & I play Hold 'Em religiously. We also like to hit the local Indian Casinos, but I haven't had much luck in tourneys so I don't do it as much anymore. My friends play in the tournament, I play Pai Gow.
Can you explain Pai Gow? I've never heard of it before.
kumanoki said:
Sure. (Source)
Pai-gow poker is a banking poker game played in Las Vegas and some of the California card clubs. The object of pai-gow poker is to make two poker hands that beat the banker's hands. The player is dealt 7 cards that he makes into a five card hand (high hand) and a two card hand (low hand). The hands are played and ranked as traditional poker hands (with one exception: A2345 is the second highest straight), and the 5 card hand must be higher than the 2 card hand. If both hands are better than the banker's hand, you win, if both lose, you lose, otherwise it's a push. The banker wins absolute ties (i.e. K Q vs K Q).
The game is played with a 52 cards plus one joker. The joker can be used as an Ace or to complete a flush or straight. The table layout has 7 spots one in front of the dealer and 6 for players.
Each player spot has spaces for a bet, low hand, high hand and sometimes the house commission. The dealer deals 7 7-card hands in front of the chip tray. The banker can be a player, but is usually the house. The banker designates which hands go to which player by shaking a dice cup with three dice; the banker's position is either 1, 8 or 15 and the hands are passed out counterclockwise. So, if the dealer is the bank and the dice total to 6, player 5 gets the first hand, player 6 gets the second, the dealer gets the third and so on. The dice mumbo-jumbo appears to be ritual stuff --- you don't need to worry about anything until you get your hand.
The player puts the two card hand face down in the box closest to the dealer, and the five card hand face down in back. Once everybody has set their hand, the dealer turns over and sets the bank's hand. The dealer goes counterclockwise around the table comparing the banks hand to the players, and taking, paying, or knocking. There is a 5% commission on winning bets that you can either put out next to your winning bet, or the dealer will subtract from your payoff. The lowest minimum bet is $5, seen at the Imperial Place and Four Queens.
In pai-gow poker, the only strategic decisions are how much to bet and how to set your hand. The simple basic strategy for setting your hand is to make the highest 2-card hand that is less than your five card hand. If you can't figure out what to do, you can show your hand to the dealer and they will tell you how the house would set it. Since pairs generally win the 2-card hands, and two-pair wins the 5-card hands, the only difficult decisions are when to split two pairs. The house rules at the Four Queens were not to split low pairs (<= 6) and not to split pairs <= 10 if there was a Ace high two card hand. So the house would set
A 10 10 6 6 5 3 => A 5 / 10 10 6 6 3
K Q 10 10 6 6 3 => 6 6 / 10 10 K Q 3
A ``Pai-gow'' is a hand with no pairs, such as Q J / K 7 8 6 2
McLesterolBeast
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Twice a week on average.
Trying to see if i can make a decent buck at it.
For the past few weeks, I'm up about 200 - which roughly equates to less than 5 dollars an hour, with a sample of 40 hours of play. (ive only been tracking my results since that point)
I keep data on every night i play now so i can graph my results. If anyone wants a detailed excel sheet to track your results, pm me.
Still havent gotten an online account, unfortunately. From what ive heard, the competition is weak there (approximately equivalent to the 2/5 tables at local casinos and casual (see: shitty) university players).
Trying to see if i can make a decent buck at it.
For the past few weeks, I'm up about 200 - which roughly equates to less than 5 dollars an hour, with a sample of 40 hours of play. (ive only been tracking my results since that point)
I keep data on every night i play now so i can graph my results. If anyone wants a detailed excel sheet to track your results, pm me.
Still havent gotten an online account, unfortunately. From what ive heard, the competition is weak there (approximately equivalent to the 2/5 tables at local casinos and casual (see: shitty) university players).
Some of our more interesting games:
Screw Your Neighbor
While not actually a poker game, it provides a nice break. The ante is three chips, usually pretty high value to make the game interesting. The dealer deals one card to each player, including himself. Aces are low, Kings are high. The object of the game is to not end up with the lowest card. The person to the left of the dealer can choose to keep his card or pass to the left. The person to the left must trade. Then, that person can decide to keep or trade. This goes on around the table until hand returns to the dealer, who has the option to burn the card he is given and take a card from the top of the deck. The person left with the lowest card loses a chip. Last person with chips up wins the pot. Aces are the lowest card. Kings immediately stop the action. So, if the person to the left of the dealer has an ace, but the person to the left of him has a King, the player with an ace cannot trade, and is screwed. The rest of the players continue until the hand returns to the dealer. The deal rotates to the left at the end of each hand until the pot has been won. In the case of two player with identical low cards, they both lose chips.
Screw Your Neighbor
While not actually a poker game, it provides a nice break. The ante is three chips, usually pretty high value to make the game interesting. The dealer deals one card to each player, including himself. Aces are low, Kings are high. The object of the game is to not end up with the lowest card. The person to the left of the dealer can choose to keep his card or pass to the left. The person to the left must trade. Then, that person can decide to keep or trade. This goes on around the table until hand returns to the dealer, who has the option to burn the card he is given and take a card from the top of the deck. The person left with the lowest card loses a chip. Last person with chips up wins the pot. Aces are the lowest card. Kings immediately stop the action. So, if the person to the left of the dealer has an ace, but the person to the left of him has a King, the player with an ace cannot trade, and is screwed. The rest of the players continue until the hand returns to the dealer. The deal rotates to the left at the end of each hand until the pot has been won. In the case of two player with identical low cards, they both lose chips.
My friends and I play every weekend. But a lot of kids in our town play. Texas Hold 'Em, $10 buy ins, usually about 10 people will play, but we often get tournaments going with over 50 people. That shit is always fun.
For High Schoolers it's pretty bad knowing that most have my friends have shelled out over $400 in poker last year alone.
For High Schoolers it's pretty bad knowing that most have my friends have shelled out over $400 in poker last year alone.
Drop
Drop is our serious game. Here's how you play. Each player antes. The dealer deals each player three cards. In this hand threes are wild. The object is to make the highest three card poker hand you can. Without betting, the dealer counts to three. Players hold their cards face down abouve the table. On three, player either keep or drop. Players that keep show each other their hands, determine who has the highest hand, and the losers must pay the winner the amount equal to the pot. Players that drop are still in the game. If everyone drops, you move on to the next round.
Next, the dealer deals each player two more cards, for a total of five. This time, fives are wild. Once again, the dealer counts to three. Player either hold or drop. Holders show each other their hands. Losers pay the winners the amount equal to the pot.
Finally, the dealer deals each player two more cards. Sevens are wild this time. Dealer counts to three. Everyone shows their cards. Losers pay winner equal to the pot.
Players ante, and you start again, this time with double the amount in the pot. At any point in the game, if one player holds and everyone else drops their cards, he gets a chip up. Three chips up and the pot is yours, game over.
This game is good when one person is running low on funds. They can drop as much as they want and only have to worry about the one time ante each round. If they win, they're back in the game with interest. This game is great when the pot doubles, triples, and quadruples. It makes playing a real challenge when you might have to pay someone forty dollars for a pair of Jacks.
Drop is our serious game. Here's how you play. Each player antes. The dealer deals each player three cards. In this hand threes are wild. The object is to make the highest three card poker hand you can. Without betting, the dealer counts to three. Players hold their cards face down abouve the table. On three, player either keep or drop. Players that keep show each other their hands, determine who has the highest hand, and the losers must pay the winner the amount equal to the pot. Players that drop are still in the game. If everyone drops, you move on to the next round.
Next, the dealer deals each player two more cards, for a total of five. This time, fives are wild. Once again, the dealer counts to three. Player either hold or drop. Holders show each other their hands. Losers pay the winners the amount equal to the pot.
Finally, the dealer deals each player two more cards. Sevens are wild this time. Dealer counts to three. Everyone shows their cards. Losers pay winner equal to the pot.
Players ante, and you start again, this time with double the amount in the pot. At any point in the game, if one player holds and everyone else drops their cards, he gets a chip up. Three chips up and the pot is yours, game over.
This game is good when one person is running low on funds. They can drop as much as they want and only have to worry about the one time ante each round. If they win, they're back in the game with interest. This game is great when the pot doubles, triples, and quadruples. It makes playing a real challenge when you might have to pay someone forty dollars for a pair of Jacks.
Trakball said:
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Pretty much. Time to move on. I think I'll take up blackjack. That's not cool.
Howlin' Mad
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Every month, I hold a Hold'Em tournament at my condo. For a $20 buy-in, I usually get around 30 players, so the pot's always nice sized.
Howlin' Mad
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The big game very month is strict. Hold'Em only, nothing else until there's a winner. We had to buy 2,000 chips to cover the game, and we went ahead and got the nice 11.5 gram ones. In the other three weeks, we get some players (smaller games) together for dealer's choice, where we play Pai Gow, Razz, Draw, Omaha, Stud, etc.
Celicar said:
Actually, I didn't, you dork. You really are out of touch, kid! :lol
Oh, and I don't know what "dictionary.com" is all about, but according to Merriam - Webster it's:
Main Entry: hep
Pronunciation: 'hep
Function: adjective
Etymology: origin unknown
: :HIP
..and you can figure out the rest
Howlin' Mad
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Trakball said:
Yeah, I organized the big game each month. It's made up of a bunch of the other law students I know from school and their significant others. We also get the Dean of Student Affairs and the Dean of Admissions to play with us. I guess I'm hoping I can get a nice recommendation from them as I've hosted them at my place for some gambling action.
2/5? What kind of doped up casino are you playing at? These days, it's very rare for a casino to spread hold em games where the big blind is more than 2x the small blind.McLesterolBeast said:
And yes, in general, online players are quite weak. Skill levels of players vary from poker site to poker site though, and if you plan to play at middle-high limits, you're going to get killed walking in with a home game mentality.
The cardroom I play at spreads 2/4, 4/8, 6/12, and 20/40, with 50/100 on Friday nights. All hold em, though.Trakball said:
With the big hold em book going on, they hardly spread any other games, except the occasional Omaha.
Agreed. Party Poker & Poker Room have pretty weak competition, too, but Pacific reigns king.marko said:
A stupid game my friends and I play on Poker Nights (other games include Holdem, 7Stud, 5Draw, Omaha, Omaha Double Flop, Baseball...) is this game called In-Between (not poker at all, but a good betting game), simple enough, everyone antes a buck and then two cards are shown, you can bet up to the pot on whether the next card will come up in between the two cards showing, if you're wrong, you put in your bet, but the kicker is if the card that comes up is the same as one of the cards showing, you have to put in double your bet. Sometimes the game can die and be over real fast, but sometimes it gets going and the shit gets crazy after just a couple of bad beat losses on same cards.
McLesterolBeast
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Casinorama.
But the blinds aren't 2-5, the limits are. The blinds are 1-2.
I would think that at low limit internet poker works the same as a loose casino table. The preflop play is essentially mindless ... you play class 1, 2 and suited connectors exclusively... plus swtich tables so people dont become familiar with your play, and so the table doesnt tighten up. Bet with two pairs or better (supposing there isnt a one card straight or flush out there and the board hasnt paired up). Check/call with a strong draw, except for a nut flush draw on the flop, which you bet. Fold with anything less than top pair.
The people at those limits don't try to "read" your bets. They play their hands in their own little world - and more often than not, they do so with a terrible sense of what they should and should not bet or call. They see top pair and they bet it until the river. They see mid pair and they call until the river. Some of them ive seen calling bets down for a low runner, runner flush draw. At least - that's what i've noticed at casinos.
Cerebral Palsy
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Every Saturday I play poker with some friends. I play on UltimateBet all of the time also. Only play tourny style Texas Hold'em. Omaha is the ghey.
I'm an avid Paradise Poker player .. I have pocketed about 500 dollars since November (just small stakes).
Here's some good party games.
Criss Cross.
Players are dealt 3 cards. 5 community cards are laid in a "Cross" pattern. The middle card will be the last one turned up, and is wild. (Also, a variation is too have the middle pay hi/lo also. It keeps more money in the game) You turn up one card at a time, and bet after every turn. Most people will stay in for the whole way trying to see what wild is.
You must back your best hand with the community cards that are in the horizontal row, or the vertical row.
7 card screw you neighbor.
Alot of people play this game with one card. This variation pays two winners. The one with the BEST hand and the one with the WORST hand (2,3,4,5,7). First round you pass two cards to your left. Next round your pass three cards to your "double left" (two seats over).
Discard two cards. Then you arrange your best/worst 5 cards in a pile (Some strategy can come into play here). You turn one over, and bet after each card. The pots can get pretty big since you have the low/hi raising each time the bet comes to them.
Here's some good party games.
Criss Cross.
Players are dealt 3 cards. 5 community cards are laid in a "Cross" pattern. The middle card will be the last one turned up, and is wild. (Also, a variation is too have the middle pay hi/lo also. It keeps more money in the game) You turn up one card at a time, and bet after every turn. Most people will stay in for the whole way trying to see what wild is.
You must back your best hand with the community cards that are in the horizontal row, or the vertical row.
7 card screw you neighbor.
Alot of people play this game with one card. This variation pays two winners. The one with the BEST hand and the one with the WORST hand (2,3,4,5,7). First round you pass two cards to your left. Next round your pass three cards to your "double left" (two seats over).
Discard two cards. Then you arrange your best/worst 5 cards in a pile (Some strategy can come into play here). You turn one over, and bet after each card. The pots can get pretty big since you have the low/hi raising each time the bet comes to them.
Mister Zimbu
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Play online a bit in small stakes on UltimateBet. Right now it's generally tournaments. Havent worked up the courage to do the $25 NL cash game in awhile since I keep getting cold cards when I do.
Recent results (within the past 2 weeks): $5 SNG win, $5 SNG 2nd place, 7th/600 tourney, 21/600 tourney and 35/700 tourney. As an aside, "Harrington on Hold'em" is the greatest tourney book ever written.
Also have a weekly small hold'em tourney with some friends (generally 7-10 people, $1 buyin. They refuse to play higher) since I got some chips for free online.
The home games pretty much go in my favor... we've played about 10 now. I've outright won 6 and cashed the 7th. I'd say it's more luck that got me there than skill though.
Pacific Poker is the weakest game ever. Their $40/$80 tables seem like they have the same quality of play as a casino $3/$6 game. Unfortunately the client is absolutely godawful. I'll probably try it again (that or Party) once I work up a significant bankroll online again.
Recent results (within the past 2 weeks): $5 SNG win, $5 SNG 2nd place, 7th/600 tourney, 21/600 tourney and 35/700 tourney. As an aside, "Harrington on Hold'em" is the greatest tourney book ever written.
Also have a weekly small hold'em tourney with some friends (generally 7-10 people, $1 buyin. They refuse to play higher) since I got some chips for free online.
The home games pretty much go in my favor... we've played about 10 now. I've outright won 6 and cashed the 7th. I'd say it's more luck that got me there than skill though.
Pacific Poker is the weakest game ever. Their $40/$80 tables seem like they have the same quality of play as a casino $3/$6 game. Unfortunately the client is absolutely godawful. I'll probably try it again (that or Party) once I work up a significant bankroll online again.
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