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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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whyamihere
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Some interesting things from that PPP poll besides fucking Oprah bullshit. Johnson voters actually come across as fairly sane and overall progressive, which makes me wonder if it really was a lot of younger voters who just couldn't stand Hillary.
Gary Johnson voters disapprove of Trump 18/81. That is, uh, not good. The 11% said they voted for "someone else" (lol) are 12/65 approve. 23% "Not sure", meaning they voted for Trump, are embarrassed about it, and are still not sure what they think about him.
23% of Trump voters support the ACA, 16% not sure. (38% of Stein voters disapprove of the ACA, of course). 35% of Trump voters want to keep/fix the ACA.
Only 23% of Trump voters approve of a law requiring the release of taxes for presidential candidates. lol
JILL STEIN VOTERS HAVE A 42% APPROVAL RATING OF PUTIN AND RUSSIA.
30% of Trump voters thought Russia wanted Hillary to win. 28% that Russia wanted Trump to win. Only 2% of Johnson voters thought Russia wanted Hillary to win, which is less than what Hillary voters say (6%).
52% of Stein voters think that Obama tapped Trump's phone. 57% of Trump voters think that Obama tapped Trump's phone. Only 3% of Hillary voters and 16% of Johnson voters think this.
Johnson voters prefer Obama over Trump 42/21. That is interesting.
EDIT: Only 1% of the sample voted for Jill, which is like 8 people. Still funny. But.
Gary Johnson voters disapprove of Trump 18/81. That is, uh, not good. The 11% said they voted for "someone else" (lol) are 12/65 approve. 23% "Not sure", meaning they voted for Trump, are embarrassed about it, and are still not sure what they think about him.
23% of Trump voters support the ACA, 16% not sure. (38% of Stein voters disapprove of the ACA, of course). 35% of Trump voters want to keep/fix the ACA.
Only 23% of Trump voters approve of a law requiring the release of taxes for presidential candidates. lol
JILL STEIN VOTERS HAVE A 42% APPROVAL RATING OF PUTIN AND RUSSIA.
30% of Trump voters thought Russia wanted Hillary to win. 28% that Russia wanted Trump to win. Only 2% of Johnson voters thought Russia wanted Hillary to win, which is less than what Hillary voters say (6%).
52% of Stein voters think that Obama tapped Trump's phone. 57% of Trump voters think that Obama tapped Trump's phone. Only 3% of Hillary voters and 16% of Johnson voters think this.
Johnson voters prefer Obama over Trump 42/21. That is interesting.
EDIT: Only 1% of the sample voted for Jill, which is like 8 people. Still funny. But.
Even with no experience, someone who kinda likes the USA and how it works would be a vast improvement.
metalslimer
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Why am I not surprised Stein voters are batshit
I mean I somewhat agree, but I don't know if the pseudoscience she brought on her show represents her own beliefs. That being said this is a moot point and I'd vote for almost any democrat in the primaries over her, barring a few like liberal icon Tulsi Gabbard.
I mean I somewhat agree, but I don't know if the pseudoscience she brought on her show represents her own beliefs. That being said this is a moot point and I'd vote for almost any democrat in the primaries over her, barring a few like liberal icon Tulsi Gabbard.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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There were literally 8 Stein voters in the sample >_>
Hellwarden
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Why does Roger Stone Jr actually look like an evil time traveler?
adamsappel
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The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.
Aaron Strife
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I was called for an internal poll conducted by Erik Paulsen's campaign. It was great, I told them Terri Bonoff voting to raise her own salary made me extremely more likely to vote for her.
Why does Roger Stone Jr actually look like an evil time traveler?
Albert Simon, is that you?
Well, she produced Oz and Phil's shows, they weren't just solid guests for her. She actively fueled their careers beyond her own show. I'm also not about to trust someone so willing to mislead the public for personal gain if she is not, in fact, partial to all the pseudoscience she helped promote.
hydragonwarrior
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So this popped up on my Facebook feed:
https://www.facebook.com/aljazeera/videos/10155321830593690
Not a huge fan of the source, but it raises a good point - why isn't anyone talking about these bills? And the number is absolutely ridiculous.
https://www.facebook.com/aljazeera/videos/10155321830593690
Not a huge fan of the source, but it raises a good point - why isn't anyone talking about these bills? And the number is absolutely ridiculous.
Aging is a way of time traveling?Why does Roger Stone Jr actually look like an evil time traveler?
Before the election, Ted Cruz. I really can't say the same now.
Carpe Libertatem
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Maybe because they haven't gotten anywhere yet.
Like, once they pass committee people might start talking about them. But until then they're just proposed bills and we have thousands of dumb ones that never go anywhere. Like the guy who introduces the bill to leave the UN every year.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Why does Roger Stone Jr actually look like an evil time traveler?
This dude's about to straight up fight Batman.
Need me a new Shadow Hearts.Albert Simon, is that you?
Lol just tuned in and he's making a complete fool of himself over this planned parenthood question. And the CNN lady is wrecking him on follow ups. Love how the crowd is clapping every time she brings up facts.
RastaMentality
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no discussion over the Trump budget? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/
Slow-mo RKelly approved
metalslimer
Member
The EPA is getting gutted
*sigh*
Chemical Safety Board, U.S. Trade and Development Agency, U.S. Institute of Peace. Yep, sure sound like some useless stuff to cut, who needs those departments? Clearly a bunch of lazy leaches wasting money.
They all have DJT monogrammed on their (unfashionably long) shirt cuffs.
Who knew Donald's middle name was Jugend?
I'm sorry, but...
If we now live in a world where an ass-backwards doofus like Trump can be elected POTUS, I'm not going to waste time shading Oprah.
If the left is going to have to deal with a rush of celebrity candidates next election thanks to Trump, who better than Oprah? She's a shrewd businesswoman who knows how to surround herself with the right people, and she's made an entire career and empire out of listening to people. I mean, that's most of the building blocks of a decent president right there.
If we now live in a world where an ass-backwards doofus like Trump can be elected POTUS, I'm not going to waste time shading Oprah.
If the left is going to have to deal with a rush of celebrity candidates next election thanks to Trump, who better than Oprah? She's a shrewd businesswoman who knows how to surround herself with the right people, and she's made an entire career and empire out of listening to people. I mean, that's most of the building blocks of a decent president right there.
neurosisxeno
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Basically gearing up for War by saying;
Fuck Education.
Fuck Poor People.
Fuck the Environment.
Fuck Poor People.
Fuck Teachers.
Fuck Science.
Fuck Poor People.
Fuck Senior Citizens.
Fuck the U.N.
Fuck Infrastructure.
Fuck the Environment.
Fuck Art.
Fuck Poor People.
Seriously, cutting WIC by $200m? There is literally no positive way to spin that...
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm sorry if "wants someone vaguely resembling qualified" is a purity test.
Just because Oprah can be elected in a post-Trump world doesn't mean she should.
I don't think she should either. Hell, I don't think Oprah thinks she should.
I just think it's funny that we're turning our nose up at the idea of President Winfrey when we reside in a reality where Donald Trump currently occupies the White House.
Aaron Strife
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Because we still have standards.
Not that President Oprah wouldn't be 100x better than Trump.
But not everyone has standards, right? I mean, the issues with Oprah running would be 1) She's not qualified and 2) She's just a celebrity. But that second point alone would be a point in her favour for many people, and if the "Fuck the establishment" wave continues to 2020, her lack of qualifications wouldn't be an issue.
It's something that none of us here can really know. If Trump fucks up significantly and causes a new economic crash and almost-nuclear war, then a large portion of the electorate will swing away from no-nothing celebrities, towards people like Hillary - wonkish politicians who actually know stuff. But if he doesn't, then there's no reason to believe that another celebrity won't be elected.
It depends how bad things get, and how stupid people really are.
Receipts please.
Bonen no Max'd
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I mean our goal shouldn't just be to win an election! Oprah is undoubtedly unqualified to be president and just because she could theoretically win a general election doesn't mean she should be our candidate! Do you trust Oprah to make the call on the bin Laden raid? Do you trust Oprah to navigate US policy regarding Taiwan?
It's just dumb. Just because Trump is both a total buffoon and totally unqualified doesn't mean the Democrats' response should be to mirror Republicans.
Exactly which receipts do you need?
Her successful television show?
Her successful magazine?
Her successful cable network?
The small army of people who have had their own successful careers launched off her brand?
I need specifics...
No one politician possesses a wealth of knowledge that vast. And the ones who potentially do would never be elected because they tend to be nerds who don't know how to connect to voters. On paper, Obama was not at all qualified to make the call on Bin Laden.
Even Hillary Clinton, for all her wonkishness, is only as informed as she is because of her innate intellectual curiosity and the quality of the people she surrounds herself with.
See, on the one hand, I entirely agree.
And on the other, I think "If the chances of Oprah winning are better then any other Dem, then it's good. Because it means the process of undoing the damage done by Trump can be started quickly."
And, really, I'd trust Oprah to be smart. Not the smartest possible candidate, no. But not the faint-praise of "Smarter than Trump". But smart enough to properly weigh options, listen to experts, and consider foreign policy before opening her mouth.
Bonen no Max'd
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If we're saying that having a qualified president is totally meaningless, we should run a mannequin named Generic Democrat in 2020 and just have our decisions made by a council of oligarchs and civil servants. She/he'll poll great too.
phisheep
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Trumps new Travel Ban EO has lost in the Hawaii District Court - at least, like last time, it is subject to a temporary restraining order.
This passage from the ruling tickled me:
This passage from the ruling tickled me:
ruling said:
But that's ignoring the reasoning behind Oprah running - her celebrity. She is the very opposite of "Generic Democrat".
shinra-bansho
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This juxtaposition makes zero sense.
chopinnocturne
Neo Member
Lol Rachel Maddow got pwned.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Last election made zero sense. The American political landscape makes zero sense.
I'd much, much rather have Biden or Franken. But I'm confident Winfrey could win AND surround herself with viable, intelligent, qualified people. And, yes, that is all we need at this point.
My fear is democrats run someone completely unrelatable like Warren, or somebody like Harris or Buttgieg who I feel might be much bigger stars in the heads of the far left than they actually would be in the national spotlight.
Aaron Strife
Banned
This is why we should elect Franken btw. He's a celebrity who's also extremely intelligent and serious as a politician.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The billions in cuts to the NIH literally will result in death.
Also, cutting WIC? Give me a freaking break.
aspiegamer
Member
Wikipedia sayeth that in 2013 it covered 54% of all infants born in the US (official government statistic). On top of punishing the poor because they're poor, this additionally punishes women for being women! Even better, single parents in particular! It's all of $7B a year, plus it's not even a program that's expanded under Obama so you can't argue its for dismantling his stuff. More cartoon villainy at its finest.
The full funding of the entire freaking WIC program through Trump's term would be cheaper than That Fucking Wall.
Ether_Snake
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I'll take Zuckerberg over Oprah.
USA is fucked if Oprah ends up actually running. Bet she'll run as an independent all the way to the election with her magical bullshit movement and hysterical fanbase. It's going to be full of stupid prayers and hopey-dopey-changey catch phrases.
Democrats are 100% certain to lose wit her (Zuck too).
USA is fucked if Oprah ends up actually running. Bet she'll run as an independent all the way to the election with her magical bullshit movement and hysterical fanbase. It's going to be full of stupid prayers and hopey-dopey-changey catch phrases.
Democrats are 100% certain to lose wit her (Zuck too).
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