whyamihere
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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Wait. New city?
Bonen no Max'd
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Yeah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Fulton,_Georgia
Edit: Oh apparently they have runoffs for these council elections so he has to get 50% of the vote to make it. He's currently at 43% with four other candidates so hopefully he can just win outright.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Not sure if posted but still funny.
Manmademan
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they never had a shot at winning that. That district is massively hispanic and 85% democratic
Aaron Strife
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This is a really interesting point.
District by district the math might get a bit foggier, but what leverage does Trump really have here? He's the only president to fail to get the popular vote in both the primary and the general election. Sure, his base are the ones who will be riled up to vote in a primary, but Congresspeople rarely go down in primaries because they're fairly anonymous. But it can hurt them big in the general election.
Why should any Republican in a district that's even remotely swingy fall on their sword for a shitty healthcare bill no one likes being pushed by a shitty president no one likes? It's stupid.
Bomp bomp.
This could be good if only for Trumps massive ego not allowing him to let it go and start a war within his own party. But then i think maybe this just leads to an even worse bill, cause arent these guys not on board cause it isnt bad enough?
...then why wasn't a Democrat on the ballot?
dynamitejim
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Reading Twitter and comments on news sites, I was surprised to consistently see most of the FC's base wants nothing less than a full repeal of the ACA with no replacement. They seem to just want to go back to what we had before Obamacare came along and screwed everything up. Well, except for the usual crap like tort reform and selling insurance across state lines.
Yea, Georgia can and will flip under the right circumstances. There's a lot to be gained on every level by putting money into the state.
Not sure if posted but still funny.
Love me some NY tabloid paper headlines. No one does it better :lol
EDIT: My only gripe is they used a US flag pin and not a Russian flag one.
BoogieWoogie
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The current bill literally makes more people lose insurance than if the ACA were completely repealed with no replacement, I cannot even imagine something worse than the AHCA.
Also, get fucked Trump. How's that Art of the Deal going?
Their own president threatened to primary them if they didn't vote for an objectively shitty plan "Trump" doesn't even like, because the establishment is going to abandon him unless he passes this and a supreme court nominee. This is important because if either or both of those fail, trump will be quickly abandoned.
It's a last chance for multiple moving parts. Including Trump himself.
NullPointer
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Corporate shill but not vagina meddler. I guess he's 50% better than the guy he's replacing?
There's worse picks, he keeps the court where it was before Scalia died, but what I keep coming back to is Garland got done dirty and deserved a hearing at least.
Manmademan
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a bizarre comedy of errors.
The special election was being held in the first place because the incumbent was being convicted of something or other and held on to her seat for dear life instead of resigning so someone could run in the regular election back in November. Guess she really needed those couple extra months of paychecks.
The second individual selected to run TECHNICALLY didn't actually live in the district- he just owned a house there that he did not live in, and only sporadically paid utilities on because the 197 district is a complete shithole. He was challenged on this and lost.
A third individual attempted to run once #2 was disqualified, but missed a filing deadline by 2 days or something similar.
the republican never had a shot. it was always going to be a democrat, no one was just sure who would generate a majority of the write in ballot.
cartoon_soldier
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Yea, anyone would be better than Scalia.
Manmademan
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he's not good by any means, but literally ANY nominee will move the court leftward from the dumpster fire that was Antonin Scalia.
From a legal perspective the man was a complete disgrace in every way possible only matched by Clarence Thomas.
however, there's not really a good reason for democrats to vote for him- since it's extremely unlikely that McConnell will blow up the filibuster over this. There's nothing but upside for democrats to show some spine and tell Trump to fuck off and come back with someone better.
With a better president? even president pence? I could see McConnell taking the risk and nuking the filibuster- but Trump is so toxic not having ANY cover to stop toxic shit from flowing through the house is not a good look for him or any other senator.
lol
I mean what's the mechanism they're doing this through if not a vote? Holding Ryan hostage until he agrees not to bring it to the floor?
shinra-bansho
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Gorsuch doesn't move the court. No one replacing Scalia really moves the court unless they change the swing.
whyamihere
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lol
Bonen no Max'd
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Looks like he didn't quite get 50%, but he did get 43 in a five-way race and the second highest got 16.7%, so hopefully he can win the runoff.
metalslimer
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No vote is happening lol
Is this huffpost 1% or garbage nate 1%
StopMakingSense
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So this is on track for the biggest week of Ls so far, correct?
also lol Tillerson:
http://ijr.com/2017/03/814687-trumps-diplomat/
also lol Tillerson:
http://ijr.com/2017/03/814687-trumps-diplomat/
AntraxSuicide
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Isn't that low for him?
That's not a bad play if you're starting position is right now (i.e. the bill's already out there, so no taking it back). Might as well threaten to primary dissenters and then when the vote happens, see who gets scared and who doesn't. In particular, it's the moderates to watch out for. If the Freedom Caucus is the only reason this shit doesn't pass, that's bad. It means a worse bill will pass with their support. If some moderates (maybe some of those Reps in Clinton districts who ran unopposed) flip and they're a decent chunk of the "No" votes, then Ryan has no choice but to attempt to patch his coalition together.
That last part has to happen anyway, I think, so if you're Paul Ryan, it's probably better to identify exactly who you need to bring together.
Yeah, exactly. For all of the mocking our side did in '04 about Dubya's "mandate" he at least had a popular vote win to argue from. Trump's got dick; literally most people hate him, including people that ended up voting for him. He has less appeal than Obama had in 2010. And his constant gaffe-ing is just making it worse. The guy is literally enjoying the easiest time period of any presidency and he's stuck around the high 30s, low 40s. If something bad happens that's entirely on the executive, he'll look even worse.
There's nothing at all to fear from telling Trump to go fuck himself. No political blowback at all.
Bonen no Max'd
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The more I read his twitter feed the more I'm digging khalid, hope he wins the runoff.
https://twitter.com/khalidCares/status/843425311857479680
I saw someone, Jamelle Bouie maybe, mentioned that a left surge in the South would be much more religious than mainstream Democrats.
https://twitter.com/khalidCares/status/843425311857479680
I saw someone, Jamelle Bouie maybe, mentioned that a left surge in the South would be much more religious than mainstream Democrats.
Aaron Strife
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I just really wish Boehner had taken better charge of his caucus during Obama's second term. Four years of actual progress and legislation (even if some of it wasn't necessarily good, but there would be a trade-off) among politicians actually interested in getting stuff done, rather than having the Freedom Caucus point a gun at his head the whole time.
Ryan has no flexibility in his ideology, it's either his Randian dystopia or nothing. Given the options I'd take nothing.
My best hope for this country is that Trump and Ryan are both massive failures and we return to some sense of normalcy with the Republican Party. I'd love if liberals just ran everything for the next forty years, but I know that's not reality, there needs to be two rational parties for our country to work.
whyamihere
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Oh my god, Cheri Honkala's twitter is literally from a conspiratorial insane person.
This is video. Like, maybe if this is actually happened (which, maybe it totally did!), don't do this? -- https://twitter.com/vbsurf85/status/844386554864795648
Like, what?
lol
Just a reminder that even if you win, Cheri, you still have to work with Democrats!
Why can't progressive 3rd parties be like the Vermont Progressive Party? Why? Why is it hard to not be insane.
EDIT: omg this poor election commissioner from Philly https://twitter.com/Commish_Schmidt (Schmidt is a Republican because there has to be at least one minority party on the commission. So he has NO skin in this game).
This is video. Like, maybe if this is actually happened (which, maybe it totally did!), don't do this? -- https://twitter.com/vbsurf85/status/844386554864795648
Like, what?
@CheriHonkala
Ready to admit, @TheDLCC, that rallying people to Emilio because a Republican threat were lies? You were trying to stop a progressive again.
lol
Just a reminder that even if you win, Cheri, you still have to work with Democrats!
Why can't progressive 3rd parties be like the Vermont Progressive Party? Why? Why is it hard to not be insane.
EDIT: omg this poor election commissioner from Philly https://twitter.com/Commish_Schmidt (Schmidt is a Republican because there has to be at least one minority party on the commission. So he has NO skin in this game).
neurosisxeno
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Voting it down would be worse than not voting on it at all. The Republicans have a majority, and if they can't get a bill through that reflects so poorly on them. It would signal to most people that Republicans clearly don't want to govern at all, and if that's the case why the fuck are they in Congress?
AntraxSuicide
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Yeah, there was good editorial in my university's newspaper one time that mentioned this. Some guy was standing around yelling about how our sinful lifestyles of homosexuality and whatnot was going to get us all damned, and a bunch of counter-protestors were holding signs like "this isn't real Christianity" and stuff.
The editorial was basically "no, this guy is actually being pretty Biblical. Accept that you disagree with it and move on, don't act like it's a progressive text."
Have you heard the
Jesus Christ had the biggest crowds, until I came along! Sad!
Yes, because the gag is black people as a group are very religious. And our brand of conservatism really aught to be studied
EDIT: Although, I'm not understanding the interpretation of the Parable of the Workers in the Vinyard. I've always read it as pretty progressive.
Infinite Stars
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For what it's worth, The only texts in the Bible that explicitly call out Homosexuality is in the OT, which is technically part of Jewish Law that the Apostle Paul argued did not apply to Gentiles(See also Circumcision). The verses from the New Testament that "Condemns homosexuals" are written by Paul and use terminology that could have meant a variety of things in Ancient Greek.
Like, there's an entire page on Wikipedia dedicated to both arguments for and against these words as "Homosexual"within the context of the letters.
Like, the parable is "Everyone should get paid the same, regardless of their prior rank"(Much like other parables, there's a lot of subtext, especially since Matthew 20 is a continuation of Jesus's talk about the rich in Matthew 19.) I can't imagine a world where This section proceeding it is judged as "Promoting Capitalism.
Wikipedia said:The presumed references to 'homosexuality' itself in the New Testament hinge on the interpretation of three specific Greek words: arsenokoitēs (ἀρσενοκοίτης, malakos (μαλακός
Like, there's an entire page on Wikipedia dedicated to both arguments for and against these words as "Homosexual"within the context of the letters.
Except that is probably as close to "Socialism" as you can get in the Bible, considering Socialism is a 19th Century Ideology. It's a stupid exercise much in the way that you can't really say that the writings of Justinian's legal reforms in the Byzantines would make him support Healthcare Reform. I get the original point(that Jesus has been corrupted by Evangelicals into "Supply Side Jesus", who espouses the values of Hayek and Rand) but the analogy is bad.
Like, the parable is "Everyone should get paid the same, regardless of their prior rank"(Much like other parables, there's a lot of subtext, especially since Matthew 20 is a continuation of Jesus's talk about the rich in Matthew 19.) I can't imagine a world where This section proceeding it is judged as "Promoting Capitalism.
He's also comparing Heaven to this system, for "The First Shall be Last in the Kingdom of God".Matthew 19 said:
Bonen no Max'd
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On the one hand, having a third party state legislator is kind of interesting and also makes for prettier representations of the state legislature.
On the other hand, crazy people being in positions of power is not good.
I don't get what that has to do with capitalism/socialism though? That's explicitly a metaphor about God, Jesus isn't saying that people should just do whatever they want with their money. He told people what do with their money all the time! God, on the other hand, has explicit dominion over everything, because he's God!
Also this lol
Exactly.
Unfortunately New England seems to be the only part of the country that has non-insane third-parties. I suppose it's something to do with the culture up there, the whole birthplace of the revolution I suppose.
whyamihere
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I mean, look, I love colors. I also love having voting systems with more parties that aren't like the United States's! Green and Yellow are great colors!
Just crazy people are bad. And the left has conspiratorial elements that make me extremely uncomfortable.
Bonen no Max'd
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Yeah I think the idea is that the left in the South will look more and more like Reverend Barber and the Moral Monday movement type stuff and less like the progressives of the northeast or west.
whyamihere
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And that's fine, imo.
Cesare Borgia
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The behind the scenes accounts will be fun. And you know Trump is gonna be attacking republicans in Friday or Saturday morning tweets...
At this point I'm starting to wonder if they'll even be able to cut taxes. This is a disaster.
Officerrob
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"Nobody Knew Health Care Could Be So Complicated"
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