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POLITICO Fantasizes: How Donald Trump defeats Hillary Clinton

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benjipwns

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/how-donald-trump-defeats-hillary-clinton-217868
If Donald Trump becomes the next president of the United States, there will be plenty of surprises along the way. One of the biggest will be the help he gets from black voters.

According to Republican pollsters and Trump’s allies, the GOP poll-leader — who has been dogged by accusations of racism, most recently for tweeting out a chart that exaggerated the share of murders committed by blacks — is poised to out-perform with this demographic group in a general-election matchup with Hillary Clinton.

“If he were the Republican nominee he would get the highest percentage of black votes since Ronald Reagan in 1980,” said Republican messaging guru Frank Luntz, referring to the year Reagan won 14 percent of that bloc of voters. “They listen to him. They find him fascinating, and in all the groups I have done, I have found Obama voters, they could’ve voted for Obama twice, but if they’re African-American they would consider Trump.”

Another longtime Republican pollster and veteran of multiple presidential campaigns has tested Trump’s appeal to blacks and Hispanics and come to the same conclusion. “He behaves in a way that most minorities would not expect a billionaire to behave,” explained the pollster, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid damaging relationships within the party. “He’s not a white-bread socialite kind of guy.”

There’s more. The rest of Trump’s path to general-election victory, as laid out to POLITICO by pollsters, his campaign and his former advisers, looks like this: After winning the nomination on the first ballot, Trump unifies the party he has fractured behind him and reinvents himself as a pragmatic businessman and family man at the Republican National Convention. News of small-scale terror plots on American soil, foiled or successful, keep voters in a state of anxiety. Trump minimizes his losses with Hispanics by running Spanish-language ads highlighting his support for a strong military and take-charge entrepreneurial attitude, especially in the Miami and Orlando media markets. He draws the starkest possible outsider-insider contrast with Hillary Clinton and successfully tars her with her husband’s sexual history.

If he does all that, holds Mitt Romney’s states, and drives extraordinary levels of working-class white voter turnout in the suburbs and exurbs of Ohio and Virginia, as well as in the Florida panhandle and Jacksonville, he can flip those three Obama states and rack up 266 electoral votes. Winning any one of Iowa, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Colorado, Nevada or New Mexico would put him over the top and make Donald John Trump the 45th president of the United States.

Shrinking Democrats’ edge with black voters is just one of the counterintuitive wrinkles to the scenario in which Trump stuns the world and wins the White House. His path also includes playing the gender card against Clinton, a Karl Rovian gambit to turn his opponent’s strength — her feminist appeal — into a weakness.

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While many Republicans say Trump’s nomination would hand the presidency to Clinton, others see the former secretary of state as a deeply flawed candidate who could squander Democrats’ structural advantages in the race, including in a matchup with Trump.

“I’m not willing to say he’s the most electable candidate for president because of the hostility he has generated from women and Latinos,” said Luntz. But he added, “I’m unwilling to write Trump off any more. It’s foolish.”

Already, Trump has been laying groundwork in the African-American community that could pay dividends in a general election. With the help of his political and business adviser Michael Cohen, Trump has spent years cultivating black faith leaders. Last year, he held meetings with black pastors in Georgia and at Trump Tower in New York. Trump’s team has also made a pair of black female video bloggers, Lynette “Diamond” Hardaway and Rochelle “Silk” Richardson, prominent surrogates online and on the trail.
Still, he has alienated Hispanics and women and his favorability rating with all voters is further underwater than Clinton’s. Indeed, a race between Clinton and Trump could open the window for a third candidate to spoil Trump’s chance.

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, who ran for president as the Libertarian Party’s nominee in 2012 and is again seeking the party’s nomination, told POLITICO he views a Trump nomination as an opportunity to poach Republican voters. “It’s ripe pickings,” said Johnson, citing Trump’s positions on trade, his support for eminent domain and his plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants.

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has also reportedly polled on a three-way matchup with Trump and Clinton, and it is unclear how the entrance of a second billionaire and third New Yorker would reconfigure the race.

While few if any Republicans view Trump as the party’s most electable nominee, some say he would bring unique assets to a general election.

“You can say whatever you want about Donald but it’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on abortion,” said the veteran Republican pollster who has studied Trump’s appeal. “It’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on gay marriage. It’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on Planned Parenthood. It’s just not who he is, while Cruz has fought and died on every one of those hills.”

Though Trump has been dogged by allegation of sexism, and he apparently insinuated that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly was menstruating when she asked him tough questions during the first Republican debate, his former political aide Sam Nunberg, said the businessman can still attract many female voters.

Though Nunberg left Trump’s campaign in August, in a recent poll conducted for another client, Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

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“He’s a masculine figure and that will attract women to him,” said Nunberg. “It’s their dirty little secret. They like Donald Trump.”

Campaign manager Corey Lewandwoski said Trump’s operation remains focused on winning the nomination, but suggested that the businessman would outperform recent Republican nominees in rust belt states ravaged by free trade, naming Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

In a follow-up conversation, Lewandowski took a more expansive view of Trump’s general election prospects, suggesting the businessman could expand the electoral map to include California, Illinois and New York. Several Republican strategists and pollsters laughed off the suggestion. But 2015’s lesson for 2016 may be this: Never say never.
 

Maledict

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Thread stealer!

It's hard to pick out my favourite bit of this article, although the sexism in the end comments is certainly up there. Women secretly like Donald Trump because he's strong and a bully, and that's what women secretly want!

On the plus side, this makes the republican parties fantasy about winning Pennsylvania look positively rational in comparison.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
The way he beats her is calling her a corrupt Wall Street sellout while he is for the average American.

The article is pretty terrible... women secretly like trump? Doubtful...
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
Meanwhile America fantasizes about having an election where even a single policy is mentioned.
 

benjipwns

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Do you think this was like an assignment to find an argument in favor and that's why the one guy isn't on the record and the other is Frank Luntz. And that they'll be running "how cruz defeats", "how rubio defeats", "how sanders defeats", etc.

That's like the only way this makes sense.
 

Y2Kev

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Can politico get any worse? This is genuinely dreadful horse race journalism from the center of the horse race journalism universe. Just intellectually dishonest and weird. It's more of a comedy piece imo.
 

Korigama

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Yes, Michigan, a state that hasn't been won by a Republican presidential candidate since 1988, is going to turn red...for Trump. Or anyone else from that clown car of a lineup. There are significant problems with anyone bothering to vote in midterms around here (hence why that asswipe Snyder is still in office), but this article couldn't be more delusional about the people to whom it asserts that blowhard appeals.
 

benjipwns

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There are significant problems with anyone bothering to vote in midterms around here (hence why that asswipe Snyder is still in office)
Even if your statement is true, the Michigan Democratic Party should not be excused any blame for the complete disaster of a campaign they ran. "Our guy isn't Rick Snyder, bye. Plz vote this fall...on some Tuesday I think? For the not Rick Snyder guy, whatshisname."
 

Korigama

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Even if your statement is true, the Michigan Democratic Party should not be excused any blame for the complete disaster of a campaign they ran. "Our guy isn't Rick Snyder, bye. Plz vote."
Certainly can't deny that the campaign efforts for Schauer were lacking, to say the least.
 
Though Nunberg left Trump’s campaign in August, in a recent poll conducted for another client, Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

Hmm, the good person or the bad person...

Whoah!!! They tricked me!!!
 

Arkeband

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Though Nunberg left Trump’s campaign in August, in a recent poll conducted for another client, Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

"Successful businessman" beat "promiscuous hag" by a whole 20 points among... women who oppose marijuana legalization?

The fuck is this even trying to say?
 

Jebusman

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I actually thought this was a parody piece at first. Like.... I genuinely believed someone was writing this as a "Haha let's joke about how Trump could win".

In my heart I still want to believe that.
 

benjipwns

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Certainly can't deny that the campaign efforts for Schauer were lacking, to say the least.
Schauer, oh yeah, that was his name, I avoided looking it up and couldn't remember for the life of me.

The dumbest thing was that the Party cleared the field for him and Peters. They had better potential candidates for both positions.

On the other hand, that strategy did stop Geoffrey Fieger from running again.
 

HylianTom

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It's hard to pick out my favourite bit of this article, although the sexism in the end comments is certainly up there. Women secretly like Donald Trump because he's strong and a bully, and that's what women secretly want!

Biff: You're going with me, understand?

Lorraine: Get your cooties off me!

Biff: When will you get it through your skull, Lorraine? You're my girl.

Lorraine: Biff Tannen, I wouldn't be your girl even if.. even if you had a million dollars!

{*kick*box-smack*}

Biff: YES YOU WILL! IT'S YOU AND ME, LORRAINE! IT'S MEANT TO BE! I'M GONNA MARRY YOU SOMEDAY, LORRAINE! SOMEDAY YOU'LL BE MY WIFE!

lea-thompson-b-800.jpg
 

Aylinato

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Even if your statement is true, the Michigan Democratic Party should not be excused any blame for the complete disaster of a campaign they ran. "Our guy isn't Rick Snyder, bye. Plz vote this fall...on some Tuesday I think? For the not Rick Snyder guy, whatshisname."



Well Rick Snyder is responsible for poisoning an entire city of flint with lead...so if you're siding with him you're going to have to do better then that
 

Azih

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Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

What is this? What the hell is this? How the hell is this a paragraph that is published as anything even remotely worth reading?
 

benjipwns

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Well Rick Snyder is responsible for poisoning an entire city of flint with lead...so if you're siding with him you're going to have to do better then that
I'm not "siding with him" on anything, I'm talking about the shit campaign the MDP ran in 2014.

The fact that anyone was doing anything involving the Flint River other than avoiding it or throwing more rusted and toxic garbage into it indicates a complete lack of decades old knowledge. I wouldn't need a study to tell me not to use it as a drinking water source.
 

GavinGT

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Reagan got 14% of the black vote and they're saying Trump will do the best with black voters since Reagan...not exactly something to brag about.
 

Y2Kev

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This site gets on morning joe every day...
Political scientists HATE them...
CLICK HERE to see how Hillary gets defeated by Ron Paul!
 

Jarmel

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Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

I can't believe this. Nunberg should be fucking embarassed.
 
These people are seriously underestimating a dem candidate and minorities. Republicans are stupid enough to think that minorities will vote will somehow vote for them despite their history and just meeting some pastors isn't going to help ( neither is insulting or criticizing dem candidates which Republicans seem to do in presence of minorities)
 

JCX

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Not even my older bro ( black conservative) wants Trump, let alone those of us who voted for Obama.

GOP usually does horribly with black folks anyway, so highest percentage since Reagan could just be 15%.
 

Fuchsdh

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Man, it's like they were all on drugs and wrote this sort of fever dream piece.

I don't discount Trump's chances of winning the general as much as NeoGAF's political fans do, but when your theory of him winning requires "okay, so he'll instantly heal the party as soon as he's nominated, and he'll suddenly become appealing to minorities, and there will be all these terrorist plots—not too serious, you know—and acting like a sexist jackass will counterintuitively draw women to him, and white guys will suddenly start voting more".... you might be going a little bit too far from "prediction" into "election fan fiction."
 

collige

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“You can say whatever you want about Donald but it’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on abortion,” said the veteran Republican pollster who has studied Trump’s appeal. “It’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on gay marriage. It’s going to be really tough to nail Donald on Planned Parenthood. It’s just not who he is, while Cruz has fought and died on every one of those hills.”
This is actually true though. The rest of the article reads like something Karl Rove would write in 2012.
 

sphagnum

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Most of this is goofy but this bit:

There’s more. The rest of Trump’s path to general-election victory, as laid out to POLITICO by pollsters, his campaign and his former advisers, looks like this: After winning the nomination on the first ballot, Trump unifies the party he has fractured behind him and reinvents himself as a pragmatic businessman and family man at the Republican National Convention. News of small-scale terror plots on American soil, foiled or successful, keep voters in a state of anxiety. Trump minimizes his losses with Hispanics by running Spanish-language ads highlighting his support for a strong military and take-charge entrepreneurial attitude, especially in the Miami and Orlando media markets. He draws the starkest possible outsider-insider contrast with Hillary Clinton and successfully tars her with her husband’s sexual history.

is plausible, assuming Trump can control himself. The Dems have two candidates that it will be easy to rally up hatred for as well - Hillary for being the GOP's traditional Satan figure and Bernie for being a "socialist".
 

MetatronM

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"Successful businessman" beat "promiscuous hag" by a whole 20 points among... women who oppose marijuana legalization?

The fuck is this even trying to say?

Presidential elections are like the Olympics for politically-based media. They come every 4 years and are supposed to be huge money makers in viewership and ad revenue. Having an obvious blowout is the absolute worst thing in the world for their existence, so they will do everything they can to make it sound like this is an actual dramatic contest. Just go back and look at 2008 and 2012, which anybody paying even the slightest bit of attention could have seen weren't even going to be close, and see how desperately they tried to make races out of those. Right up to and including Fox News and Karl Rove absolutely losing their minds live on air as the results were coming in.

Get ready for 11 more months of this.


The ONLY way Trump has a chance is if the GOP actually succeeds in manufacturing a scandal that genuinely destroys Hillary once and for all. They've been trying for 25 years, though.
 

gaugebozo

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I'm not "siding with him" on anything, I'm talking about the shit campaign the MDP ran in 2014.

The fact that anyone was doing anything involving the Flint River other than avoiding it or throwing more rusted and toxic garbage into it indicates a complete lack of decades old knowledge. I wouldn't need a study to tell me not to use it as a drinking water source.

To be fair, the problem wasn't the river itself, but the failure to treat the water for it's corrosive effects on lead service lines. http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/ If you drank the water coming out of the plant, it would be fine. This is why cities occasionally do tests at customers' end.

The issue with the governor wasn't the crisis, but his completely inadequate respons: to send not enough bottled water and filters. Only now has he asked for federal help. Completely ridiculous when the cost to fix it is going to be 3/4 of a billion dollars, and kids will needs special services for years.
 

benjipwns

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To be fair, the problem wasn't the river itself, but the failure to treat the water for it's corrosive effects on lead service lines. http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/ If you drank the water coming out of the plant, it would be fine. This is why cities occasionally do tests at customers' end.
Having experience with the Flint River and Flint in general, I wouldn't trust it with "solve 90% of the problems" figure.

My response is more like this persons:
"We thought it was a joke," said Rhonda Kelso, a long-time Flint resident. "People my age and older, thought 'They're not going to do that.' "
 

wildfire

Banned
This isn't the first time an article comes up about Trump's ability to appeal to black voters in general, let alone better than Reagan.

I know about his moves to cultivate faith based leaders but he hasn't done anything else.

I actually do know minorities who actually support Trump but I don't see the what he's done to have wide spread appeal aside com acting tougher than any politician since Roosevelt.
 

Clefargle

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Fucking fever dreams is what this article is made of. I hope every word trump says is blasted on ads day and night mid 2016 by the dem nominee.
 

Clefargle

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The part about women is even more fanciful

“He’s a masculine figure and that will attract women to him,” said Nunberg. “It’s their dirty little secret. They like Donald Trump.”

What the actual shit?
 

Kangi

Member
"We know he's not popular among women and minorities, but picture this: they vote for him anyway."

Well, I'm convinced.
 
Yup, women want the overripe Oompa Loompa with the stupidest hair hat on the fucking planet. Politico is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from cnn, or maybe they were cnn all along.
 
How basic do you have to be to fall for Trump's faux masculinity? Dude is Charmin soft.

“He behaves in a way that most minorities would not expect a billionaire to behave,” explained the pollster, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid damaging relationships within the party. “He’s not a white-bread socialite kind of guy.”

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