More here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/17/how-jason-kander-won-by-losing-215271
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Politico: How Jason Kander Won by Losing
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GrizzleBoy
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Thought his name was "Jeremy Corbyn"?
*proceeds to read article*
I'd vote for this guy. Rather have him then Tulsi Gabard.
I also loved his Gun regulation ad.
Here it is: https://youtu.be/-wqOApBLPio
I also loved his Gun regulation ad.
Here it is: https://youtu.be/-wqOApBLPio
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He really needs to just get himself in office. The House needs goods candidates for 2018. The guy has "future president" written all over him - he's young, handsome, a combat veteran. But he lacks political experience. I think he would beat Trump, even right now, if he ran.
HeartlessNobody213
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Didn't know he ran for senate. Been watching CNN a lot because of all the Trump shit and he would pop up every so often.
jack_package_200
Banned
Most people are more preferable than Tulsi Gabbard
Finale Fireworker
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Approximately four people on Earth knows who Tulsi Gabbard is.
I can see Kander being 2020's Vice President. I thing he's a long shot for president, but hey, who cares anymore?
I'd vote for Kander very enthusiastically.
I love him and I was more upset he lost than Hillary losing since there was like.. little to no chance of Hillary winning Missouri anyways. I can't stand Roy Blunt. He's a Wall Street stooge. Kander has been excellent though and has even sent me (and other people who helped out to his campaign and donated) a bunch of letters about how we can still be active and help out. He's a great man.
TyphoonStruggle
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SecretMoblin
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The way the Democratic primary process works would nuke him in the womb. Why on earth would any superdelegate, most of whom have actually won elections consistently, support a guy who has proven he can't?
Obama tested the limits of fresh facedness in '08 with half the party tearing their hair out over his "lack of experience", but at least he actually won something prior.
The piece just reads like typical in-the-bubble nonsense.
Obama tested the limits of fresh facedness in '08 with half the party tearing their hair out over his "lack of experience", but at least he actually won something prior.
The piece just reads like typical in-the-bubble nonsense.
Finale Fireworker
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Honestly, I'm not going to put a boot on any rising progressive stars. The more the merrier. Bring em all up.
Dubbedinenglish
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Gabbard isn't liberal, she's garbage.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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He's only 35 though, he has plenty of time to keep building his political career in the next 5 or 10 or 15 years. I agree that any 2020 talk is overheated, but that doesn't mean that Kander isn't the real deal.
Finale Fireworker
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I changed it to progressive from liberal, which is more in line with what I meant.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He hasn't proven he can't. He ran far and away ahead of the top of the ticket in a deep red state where there was little reasonable hope of winning to begin with. Dude could pick up a House seat almost anywhere in that state.
The guy isn't ready for prime time but he's literally 10 years younger than Obama was when he ran for President.
Dubbedinenglish
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Even then she one of the most conservative Dems in congress.
KernelPanic
Member
Hasn't she been endorsed by Richard Spencer and David Duke?
As a 15 year KCMO resident who grew up in StL, I love and hate Missouri at the same time. There is a lot to love about KC and StL, but then I see how the state votes and get embarrassed (though, I do live in one of only a couple counties that went blue in the past election).
Jason Kander is a great reminder that there are good people here that can make a difference. I love that he's started his voting rights organization. Some have said it is not a good political move if he wants higher office, but he's doing it because he believes it is needed.
He ran in a red state in a year that Trump won the presidency and he made it close. It was not a normal election cycle. I wouldn't hold that against him. Though, I agree competitors might point to that as a fault.
Jason Kander is a great reminder that there are good people here that can make a difference. I love that he's started his voting rights organization. Some have said it is not a good political move if he wants higher office, but he's doing it because he believes it is needed.
He ran in a red state in a year that Trump won the presidency and he made it close. It was not a normal election cycle. I wouldn't hold that against him. Though, I agree competitors might point to that as a fault.
Puck Beaverton
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Because the guy almost won in a state Hillary lost by 20 points?
Carpe Libertatem
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The only House seat in Missouri that Kander could win would be the one for KC, which is already held by a Democrat. He's not winning mid-Missouri, to be sure.
He'll run for governor in 2020 and hopefully win.
TyphoonStruggle
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She's sooo conservative /s
Pro-regulation on banking
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/875803942931886080
Pro indigenous rights
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/875494037884678144
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/869762575017230336
Anti federal prohibition on marijuana
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/873946678298128385
Climate change believer
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/869940321710374914
Pro $15 min wage
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/867888377135280132
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/867887527176417280
Anti Saudis
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/866344079612837889
Pro medicare for all
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/860641248960446469
And we all know, she's anti interventionist war
Autodidact
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He might have a chance in MO-02. It has a PVI of R+8, and its incumbent, Ann Wagner, purportedly wants to challenge McCaskill for the Senate seat. An open seat with that PVI would be vulnerable in a Democratic wave.
EDIT: You responded to this idea in the PoliGAF thread.
Oh god, I hope.
Greitens won on the back of the Trump vote. Actually has a lot of parallels to Trump. No political experience, shady dealings in his charitable organization, and refusal to release tax returns.
Finale Fireworker
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I don't really get that impression, but it's sort of a non-starter because most people have no idea who she is. She's not one of my personal favorites, although she supports multiple things I support. But most progressives do - on some level.
What I want to be clear about is that I think natural selection will determine the next wave of Democrats and the more that sprout the better. I want them to grow like weeds. I want Kanders and Ossoffs and Harrises and Moultons and even goofy candidates like Quist. Having as many different personalities for people to gravitate towards is good for activating a base - so long as these personalities actually work together to bolster the grand message.
I am trying to stay out of the "my liberal is better than your liberal" game right now. I feel like that's a luxury we are only afforded when progressives are in power. Gaining and maintaining influence is most important to me at this moment. We can prune the ones we don't like when we have the breathing room to do so.
People like Gabbard and Kander excite people. That's the enough for me to be glad they're on the same team.
Right now, let's build a bench. I hope you can see what I mean.
Autodidact
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You don't think that Trump's ineptitude will cause a massive swing in four years? In 2020, experience might be one of the most desirable traits in a candidate.
skullmuffins
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I feel like this argument ignores the dumpster fire that is Trump's actual presidency. We've seen someone with no experience win the race, yeah, but we haven't seen someone with no experience actually be a competent president. Tbh there might even be a backlash next time where people are less likely to vote for someone with no relevant experience considering how well this one is working out...
Don't forget Pro Assad and Pro Modi.
BrutishMrFish
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She also capes for Assad
And used the conservative "Why won't Obama say radical Islamic terrorism?" rhetoric
And she's being supported by alt-righter Richard Spencer because of her stance on Muslims
She was also the only Democrat under serious consideration for a position in the Trump administration
So yeah, she is actually pretty conservative.
But wouldn't you agree that at the bare minimum, the Democratic candidates should stand against the worst of Trump's policies and those of the GOP? Giving in to one of the things the Republicans are loudest about wouldn't suddenly bring conservatives to the Democrat's table, it would only depress Dem voter turnout, weaken their position, and prove once and for all that their reputation for spinelessness is well-earned.
Aaron Strife
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Her views on LGBT (nb4 people who tried to shit on Hillary for flipping on gay marriage are like "BUT SHE CHANGED!!!" when Tulsi's views on LGBT people were steeped in hatred and she's been a terrible representative in that regard anyway) and Muslims are a no sale for me, sorry friend.
I'd probably hold my nose and vote for her over Trump but I'm the primary? Fuck no, not in a million years, I'd sooner vote for Jim Webb.
Carpe Libertatem
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Sure, Missouri has a long history of Democratic governors. Greitens will be hard to beat by virtue of incumbency, but has also had some shady dealings with donors and there's a bipartisan group of State Senators calling for an investigation. I don't expect that to stop anytime soon as Greitens has shown zero willingness to be transparent.
Combine that with a potential backlash against Trump/the GOP nationwide, it is very possible that Kander could win.
KernelPanic
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Not the kind of endorsements you want.
Palette Swap
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Haha. Love how post #4 derailed the whole thread to make it about a terrible person.
FWIW, I remember Obama name dropping Kander as one of the future greats in his very last interview.
FWIW, I remember Obama name dropping Kander as one of the future greats in his very last interview.
Finale Fireworker
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Yes, you're not wrong, I agree. I also agree I would rather have somebody who does everything I want instead of some things I want and some things I hate.
I would just prefer to re-establish a progressive foothold before we start running against each other. That doesn't mean waiting until somebody is running for president to push back against them, but I'm trying to keep a positive look on progressive candidates for the time being.
But this is all very pedantic of me, because honestly, Tulsi Gabbard is barely even on my radar and I am not one of her patrons. Gabbard is not somebody I would support for higher office if given the choice. I'm a Kander man. That's what brought me into this thread, not to play devil's advocate for anyone else.
FireBeaver
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I've met Kander before. He's a geniune, super cool guy who clearly knows what he's talking about. I really wish that he would have won the Senate election, instead we get Blunt for another term out of what feels like 100 already. Man as a Missouri resident Missouri really sucks sometimes.
Not sure you can help David duke being horny online
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Wrong. I wrote a post to refute this, but that's enough derail.
The camera loves Tulsi.
TestOfTide
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What's so clever about this ad is that he is still suggesting most of the same regulations that Democrats were proposing at the time, but he clearly won the votes of a lot more gun owners because the ad shows that when he talks about guns he is speaking as an expert.
It's something that I think Democrats should take note of for future attempts at getting gun regulations passed.
Zelenogorsk
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I've voted for Kander before and I'd be glad to vote for him again.
TheLaughingStock
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How could he get in as POTUS when big shots like Mark Zuckerberg, Dwayne Johnson, Bob Iger, and Donald Trump are likely running? His chances against any of them would presumably be very tiny based off of his most recent campaign.
Autodidact
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Democrats aren't dumb enough to elect businessmen (or actors...) with no political experience. If you want to get really blunt, black voters in the south will not rally behind sanitized white oligarchs.
IamDodongo
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Let's keep talking about this dude. I think he has a bright future
People really think that is serious? Dude couldn't handle his movie bombing, no way he handles the stress of a primary
I like Kander. He seems like the kind of D that may be able to break through in this part of the country.
Also, let's keep The Rock away from this shit, please? I feel like I'd have a bunch of egg on my face for railing against Trump if I turned around and voted for a professional wrestler.
Also, let's keep The Rock away from this shit, please? I feel like I'd have a bunch of egg on my face for railing against Trump if I turned around and voted for a professional wrestler.