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Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids

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What a weird conclusion, economics does impact institutionalized racism. Who owns the capital in America? How do you influence the system? Now go and try tell me economics doesn't play a role with racism.

The conclusion is drawn from my life and my brothers life and our dealings with law enforcement. Our household income was over 200k growing up and we have both had to deal with racist ass police officers who treated us like thugs because we were black. But go on and continue to educate me.
 

The Adder

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Yup.



Yeah, and this is why he should have hit Hilary harder on mass incarceration. Although, he isn't completely blameless either.

"Isn't completely blameless"

His state has one of the highest black incarceration rates in the country. 2 percent of the population makes up 10 percent of the prison population.
 
This is measuring wealth, not income right?

The conclusion is drawn from my life and my brothers life and our dealings with law enforcement. Our household income was over 200k growing up and we have both had to deal with racist ass police officers who treated us like thugs because we were black. But go on and continue to educate me.

Yeah, it's shit. You hear all the time about black men having the cops called on them in their own neighborhood when they're new and the neighbors don't know them.
 
Institutional racism. A 12 year old black kids get called thugs, code for the N-word, by media outlets which heavily influences society. And then you have a white 20-something year old drug kingpin that gets called adorable by certain media outlets. There perception of her wasn't a slip of their tongue; it was how they actually felt about her because she is white she is less dangerous, more innocent, and more deserving of a lesser punishment. And you also get teenage black girls getting roughed up by police for just existing and wanting to go enjoy a nice summer day.

No matter how many academic and professional accolades I achieve to help better my family at the end of the day I will still be black and I can only hope that those around me challenge themselves to view me based on my character and not what media outlets tell them.
 

Kreed

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How do Asians fair, is there accompanying data in the complete survey?

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Among those placed in the aggregate categories of American Indian, Asian/Pacific Islander, black, Hispanic, white, other and none, there are too few observations for analyses on group-specific levels of wealth except for black, Hispanic and white respondents. Therefore, we restrict our analyses in this study to those three groups.
 

sphagnum

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The hatred of black people caused the economic inequality though.

Opposite, slavery led to hatred of black people. Europeans, like everyone else, were xenophobic prior to the early modern period but they weren't explicitly racist until racism came about due to needing a justification for the slave trade. That said, racism eventually eclipsed the original class based nature of oppression in this situation so now (and obviously for a looong time) hatred of black people is causing the economic inequality rather than vice versa.

That said, the private control of the means of production still significantly contributes to the oppression of minorities since it racism is used as a divide and conquer strategy by the bourgeoisie to prevent the white working class from supporting government programs, among other things.
 

kirblar

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I'm assuming they weren't measuring incarceration rates for kids either...
....because the kids are adults 20 years later?

They're using household wealth as a proxy for class. Since kids don't have income, it's a way to gauge the environment they're being raised in.
 
The hatred of black people caused the economic inequality though.

"Slavery was the capital for capitalism".

American capitalism relies on a permanent undercaste for cheap labor. This undercaste does not only provide cheap labor itself, but drives down overall wages. First, that undercaste were kept in slavery, then Jim Crow segregation, and now mass incarceration. One of the main reasons why the U.S. was able to emerge as a massive economic and military power was because of the economic boost provided by slavery. Capitalism is very much the problem, but it is a capitalism that uses white supremacy to reap absurd windfall profits.

"Isn't completely blameless"

His state has one of the highest black incarceration rates in the country. 2 percent of the population makes up 10 percent of the prison population.

So I guess both candidates are horrible for African-Americans. The more things change...
 
"Slavery was the capital for capitalism".

American capitalism relies on a permanent undercaste for cheap labor. This undercaste does not only provide cheap labor itself, but drives down overall wages. First, that undercaste were kept in slavery, then Jim Crow segregation, and now mass incarceration. One of the main reasons why the U.S. was able to emerge as a massive economic and military power was because of the economic boost provided by slavery. Capitalism is very much the problem, but it is a capitalism that uses white supremacy to reap absurd windfall profits.
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Wait, this is so true. And it is still happening in such way. Most American companies (neoliberals) use cheap, dehumanizing labor in "third world" (aka not so white) countries to produce their goods.
 

Condom

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The conclusion is drawn from my life and my brothers life and our dealings with law enforcement. Our household income was over 200k growing up and we have both had to deal with racist ass police officers who treated us like thugs because we were black. But go on and continue to educate me.

Now go back and read my comment again because I guess we had a misunderstanding. I said that economics impact how the system works and thus influences the culture in for example police departments, which ends up in minorities like you and me being targeted unfairly.

As for personal wealth: For some police officers you as a minority either look poor or like a punk drug dealer driving in a stolen car. So I'd agree that unless your Kanye West, household income doesn't matter much in that case.
 

East Lake

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It is definitely a negative feed back loop at this point.

I definitely don't think that economic inequality is the only reason, but I think if we did things to help economic inequality it would issues with race, although slowly.
Probably more like right away.

From the paper.

Separating by race, we showed that blacks had lower odds of incarceration in the short term, in their early twenties to thirties, when they possessed more wealth. The odds of such incarceration for black males who possessed as little as $2000 in 1985 were only half the odds for black males who possessed very little or no wealth and collectively had an incarceration rate of 10 % in the next 5 years.

For black females, possessing more wealth meant virtually eliminating incarceration chances in the short term. In the long term as well as short term, having more wealth at the baseline was associated with lower incarceration rates in the future, for all races. Accordingly, we find that not only is wealth relevant to the prospect of incarceration, race and gender also interact with wealth prior to incarceration.
 
What a weird conclusion, economics does impact institutionalized racism. Who owns the capital in America? How do you influence the system? Now go and try tell me economics doesn't play a role with racism.

If that's true, explain the socio-economically well to do Black neighborhoods getting burned to the ground by white rioters in the early 20th century. The rioters didnt give a a good goddamn about the wealth or capital of the Black businesses they burned. They viewed Black folk through one lens and one lens only: colored folk needing to be cut down to size.

What do you think was the motivating factor behind the Red Summer of the 20s, where one Black community after another got ransacked? It wasnt because of "class warfare", it was because of white fear and resentment of Black soldiers returning home from WW1 and refusing to submit to the old racist order.
 

Tesseract

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If that's true, explain the socio-economically well to do Black neighborhoods getting burned to the ground by white rioters in the early 20th century. The rioters didnt give a a good goddamn about the wealth or capital of the Black businesses they burned. They viewed Black folk through one lens and one lens only: colored folk needing to be cut down to size.

What do you think was the motivating factor behind the Red Summer of the 20s, where one Black community after another got ransacked? It wasnt because of "class warfare", it was because of white fear and resentment of Black soldiers returning home from WW1 and refusing to submit to the old racist order.

i'm stealing from wikipedia here

The riots resulted from a variety of postwar social tensions related to the demobilization of veterans of World War I, both black and white, and competition for jobs and housing among ethnic whites and blacks. In addition, it was a time of labor unrest in which some industrialists used blacks as strikebreakers, increasing resentment. The riots were extensively documented in the press, which along with the federal government feared Socialist and communist influence on the black civil rights movement following the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. They also feared foreign anarchists, who had bombed homes and businesses of prominent business and government leaders.

With the manpower mobilization of World War I and immigration from Europe cut off, the industrial cities of the North and Midwest experienced severe labor shortages. Northern manufacturers recruited throughout the South and an exodus of workers ensued.[4] By 1919, an estimated 500,000 African Americans had emigrated from the Southern United States to the industrial cities of the North and Midwest in the first wave of the Great Migration, which continued until 1940.[1] African-American workers filled new positions in expanding industries, such as the railroads, as well as many jobs formerly held by whites. In some cities, they were hired as strikebreakers, especially during the strikes of 1917.[4] This increased resentment against them among many working-class whites, immigrants or first-generation Americans. Following the war, rapid demobilization of the military without a plan for absorbing veterans into the job market, and the removal of price controls, led to unemployment and inflation that increased competition for jobs.
 
That wasn't the quote - it was about white people not knowing what it was like to live in a ghetto. He didn't say "white people don't know what it's like to be black" or "....to be poor." He specifically referenced "the ghetto". There are a lot of negative implications you can take away from the statement, but one specific implication is that he sees these issues as specific to poor black people and not black people as a whole.

It was literally right after a woman had talked about her own experience and how ghettos have their own unique problems compared to other poor neighborhoods, but that's straying off topic and this thread isn't really about that
 

devilhawk

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How did they control for rural versus urban?

Poor white kids are more likely to be from rural areas where police interaction is minimal while black youth are much more likely to be in suburban and urban settings with higher police interaction due to obvious density differences.

But regardless and unfortunately the results aren't surprising.
 
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