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Possible PS vita 2 leak (Hardware specs are guessed by the leaker)
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
This.
Maybe next-gen consoles will incorporate scaling techniques like DLSS/FSR so games could scale down from their PS6 version, this way they'll avoid having to produce specific, proprietary handheld-only versions of games (like say, Uncharted/Killzone on the Vita).
It could basically be a PS-centric Steamdeck if that makes any sense ?
Sure, games won't look nor run as well as on their main platform (PS6) but, again, isn't that what the Steamdeck does ? (i.e, scaling down your PC games as to have them run acceptably on the Deck).
Just a thought
Shadowstar39
Member
As much as i would love this, I don't see it being feasible today.....
1. Sony can barely get consistent releases now, PSP was a success, due in part, to a slew of 1st and 3rd party exclusives. I just don't see them wasting the resources. Takes to long to make new games.
2. In order to circumvent issue number one they could take the switch route and consolidate by just releasing console games on the system. This has some problems.
a. PS games are huge in size compared to switch games.
b. It will cost a fortune to design
3. They could just use it for backwards compatible games native and stream current gen or since its a x86 system make the current games lower settings for the psp2. Like a beefed up ps portal.
- problem with this is there is not enough ps5 era games to warrant it. This gen feels like the first two years didn't count.
- many ps2 and ps3 games aren't even available on ps4 /ps5. They are lazy with backwards compatibility. Only Ps1 games are fully compatible and they aren't even playable on ps4/ps5 as sony is an idiot.
I think they don't let you play ps1 games because then they would of had to get the license for CD (compactDisc) as its not on the box your ps4 and ps5 can't play CDs. This isn't a problem with a digital system as vita could play those games too.
4. Too many other competitors. Switch, Phones, steam deck, windows portables, This isn't just sony vs nintendo here.
I think the best approch to this would be to open up a more powerful ps portal like device. One that can stream ps5 games, but download ps1-ps4 games to it to run. PS1 wouldn't be an issue as those were done already, ps2 and ps3 only have a handful of titles that were ported over. They would need to develope a multiple generation emulator. lol.... this aint happening.
1. Sony can barely get consistent releases now, PSP was a success, due in part, to a slew of 1st and 3rd party exclusives. I just don't see them wasting the resources. Takes to long to make new games.
2. In order to circumvent issue number one they could take the switch route and consolidate by just releasing console games on the system. This has some problems.
a. PS games are huge in size compared to switch games.
b. It will cost a fortune to design
3. They could just use it for backwards compatible games native and stream current gen or since its a x86 system make the current games lower settings for the psp2. Like a beefed up ps portal.
- problem with this is there is not enough ps5 era games to warrant it. This gen feels like the first two years didn't count.
- many ps2 and ps3 games aren't even available on ps4 /ps5. They are lazy with backwards compatibility. Only Ps1 games are fully compatible and they aren't even playable on ps4/ps5 as sony is an idiot.
I think they don't let you play ps1 games because then they would of had to get the license for CD (compactDisc) as its not on the box your ps4 and ps5 can't play CDs. This isn't a problem with a digital system as vita could play those games too.
4. Too many other competitors. Switch, Phones, steam deck, windows portables, This isn't just sony vs nintendo here.
I think the best approch to this would be to open up a more powerful ps portal like device. One that can stream ps5 games, but download ps1-ps4 games to it to run. PS1 wouldn't be an issue as those were done already, ps2 and ps3 only have a handful of titles that were ported over. They would need to develope a multiple generation emulator. lol.... this aint happening.
I kinda disagree. When my kids were very young, there were a ton of games I didn’t want to play with them in the room. I can see many other people having the same challenge.
Also my PS5 is in the living room downstairs. There are benefits to being able to play your library from anywhere in the house, with a good form factor.
You can certainly get similar remote play experiences by streaming to PC or iPad, but the Portal is a bit more convenient
I don’t own a Portal (yet) but I can see the appeal
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Sure. Release it to compete with the PS Portal. Genius move.
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RobRSG
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Quagmire is insufferable.
His followers are probably still waiting for Big Navi to crush Nvidia.
FrankWza
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Holammer
Member
We have PS5 games running alright on Steam Deck, so the idea is not unfeasible.
But I've said before such a product would be perfect to keep the PS4 platform going and supplied with new games and users would have a sizeable selection of games available on such a device.
Forget VITA2 as branding, I suggest "Re-Vita" and have Uncle Ruckus as its spokesman.
But I've said before such a product would be perfect to keep the PS4 platform going and supplied with new games and users would have a sizeable selection of games available on such a device.
Forget VITA2 as branding, I suggest "Re-Vita" and have Uncle Ruckus as its spokesman.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
After the last overpriced 'portable like' device sold like hot cakes..I could see this being true.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
No you don't
Fake
Member
This.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Sounds like a digital only companion device, otherwise I'd be day 1.
Hugare
Member
Imagine thinking that any company can offer support for both handheld + console in 2024.
Even Nintendo took the hint by making the Switch an hybrid. Handhelds are able to run games at a high fidelity now. Games for it wouldnt cost twenty bucks to make like they did with the DS/3DS era. They would cost as much as those console games we have today.
So either this is fake or Sony is insane, 'cause it would fail harder than the Vita.
A handheld that could run PS1/2/3 and even PS4 would be the best option. The only good option, really.
Even Nintendo took the hint by making the Switch an hybrid. Handhelds are able to run games at a high fidelity now. Games for it wouldnt cost twenty bucks to make like they did with the DS/3DS era. They would cost as much as those console games we have today.
So either this is fake or Sony is insane, 'cause it would fail harder than the Vita.
A handheld that could run PS1/2/3 and even PS4 would be the best option. The only good option, really.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Now make a Gravity Rush 3 with Keiichiro toyama
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Unadulterated horseshit!
Mibu no ookami
Member
With the advent of the Switch and the Steamdeck people have to be delusional if they don't think that Sony is going to target the handheld space in a similar fashion.
The biggest problem for Sony in the past was that they weren't able to dedicate enough resources to software development. With the new model, you don't have to.
It's simply an expansion of the home console. Software development is so scalable now that it is a no-brainer, especially with the cost of software development.
I doubt this rumor is true, but at some point, we'll definitely see a PS5 handheld that gets cross-gen support via PS6 releases. The best way for Sony to sell more PS5s is to sell it in more form factors than the PS4. I think PS5 will get the extended life that the pandemic robbed the PS4 of. It'll run from 2020 to 2035.
11 years later the PS4 is still getting games released for it and it's held back by its hdd.
The biggest problem for Sony in the past was that they weren't able to dedicate enough resources to software development. With the new model, you don't have to.
It's simply an expansion of the home console. Software development is so scalable now that it is a no-brainer, especially with the cost of software development.
I doubt this rumor is true, but at some point, we'll definitely see a PS5 handheld that gets cross-gen support via PS6 releases. The best way for Sony to sell more PS5s is to sell it in more form factors than the PS4. I think PS5 will get the extended life that the pandemic robbed the PS4 of. It'll run from 2020 to 2035.
11 years later the PS4 is still getting games released for it and it's held back by its hdd.
Hudo
Member
So, if this thing is going to be a PS5 but weaker or a PS4 but portable, Sony will create the same situation this forum assblasts Microsoft for: A weaker target SKU affecting the stronger one.
If this is a separate platform, they gonna have the ssame problem they have with PSVR2 (and to a degree still with PS5) supplying it with games.
If this is a separate platform, they gonna have the ssame problem they have with PSVR2 (and to a degree still with PS5) supplying it with games.
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Interfectum
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The source is MooresLawisDead? lol. Close this thread... he doesn't know shit.
delfrickintree
Banned
Sony Super Portal
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
I can feel my hands cramping already 
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Steamdeck is doing worse than Vita though lol ( as it should because of the price )
StereoVsn
Member
You can already play Sony games on the go with Steam Deck or windows handhelds!
MarkMe2525
Member
If this is true, I think we can thank Valve for this. Everyone already knew a Nintendo handheld could make it on the market, but Valve kicked the door open for every other vendor.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Eh, that's a small mistake if anything.
It wouldn't be an actual "Vita 2"; more like a portable PS4 with limited native capability of select PS5 & PS6 games (up to the developer), but at least able to stream those games via Remote Play and likely cloud streaming, too.
In that context, a new PlayStation portable that can actually play all PS4 games and some PS5 & PS6 games, and all other games through streaming, makes a lot of sense as another product option, particularly in markets like Japan.
Yeah the way to look at it is really simple: an indie dev's prob not making super-demanding games on the technical level. They could make a PS6 build of their game that otherwise can scale extremely easily to PS5 or PS4 specifications with little changes.
In that type of case, they might as well make the game cross-gen, and if it's the type of game that'd be better suited for a handheld, a PS portable that can natively run a PS4 build of that game for example, gives the game more exposure for potential customers, both those already in the ecosystem and those new to it who might only pick up the handheld and not a home console PlayStation.
A PS portable that can natively play all PS4 games, some PS5 and even some PS6 games (PS5/PS6 games up to developer's choice/discretion; don't force them to build/scope games that have to scale down to the portable the way Microsoft forces devs to scale/scope games down for the Series S), plus stream all games through Remote Play and I'm assuming cloud, is a no-brainer. Expands the ecosystem with more options.
TheRedRiders
Member
Problem is he stated that AMD employees are the ones who gave him this "information", and if an AMD employee is getting basic information like that wrong... then oh dear.
Some of you guys just need to admit he's pulling information out his ass, and it isn't the first time either.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Different people might have different AMD employees giving them info. Or, between the time one person gets info from a source and another person gets info, the info itself has changed. Either of those are possible reasons as to why there are diverging spec leaks, even at the same time (some people may not immediately report on their info when they get it, choosing to sit on it for a while for example).
I'm more lenient with hardware leakers than software/game-based ones in general, because it's harder to fake hardware rumors, and ultimately I don't think hardware leaks damage the impact or hype for a reveal the way game leaks do, because ultimately we play games not consoles, or GPUs. But hey, if this new PS portable isn't happening, then that's just what it is. I'm gonna be optimistic about it though.
Big facts. I mean, Steam Deck isn't a HUGE seller when you compare it to the consoles, but they did actually prove a portable gaming PC is a viable product and can be functional with the right care taken.
They're gonna eventually return to gaming PC NUCs as well and finally get that right, as well. Something I think Microsoft should step into and try getting out in front of; they already have a gaming hardware brand perfect for it and could do with an identity refresh. But that's a different type of conversation.
Steam Deck isn't designed as a mass-market device the way the Vita was, though. For its intended market (gaming PC portables), it's doing very well. Like, I'm sure it's got way more market share than the ROG Ally, Legion or any other similar device.
Vita was in a market competing with the 3DS and fell way short of its intended targets. I think those factors are even more important than the price differentials.
Loxus
Member
Day one?You can already play Sony games on the go with Steam Deck or windows handhelds!
Vita biggest problem was that devs had to make console level games for it instead of it playing the console games at lower settings.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Dont bye it. That would be a weak handheld in 2027/2028 when PS6 is to launch. Maybe its an early prototype based on current hardware for design etc..
I think off the success of the Portal they would be better sited to offer a Portal+ with more functionality than risk another handheld. When Switch 2 is also going to out and dominating.
Plus all the PC handhelds that are popping up.
I think off the success of the Portal they would be better sited to offer a Portal+ with more functionality than risk another handheld. When Switch 2 is also going to out and dominating.
Plus all the PC handhelds that are popping up.
StereoVsn
Member
That’s moving the requirements.
Personally I just don’t see a Sony handheld that could play PS5 games natively till like 2026-27 just from cost.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Yep, and it wasn't really suited for the former. At the same time, no one could've really predicted how big the mobile market would've became for portable gaming when previously, the PSP and DS were the only real games in town for that.
Even the 3DS had trouble adapting to the new norm, it took a couple years to find its true bearings. But Nintendo had a more direct reason to support it vs. Sony with Vita: the Wii U was a complete bust, so they needed 3DS to turn around and succeed. The PS4 was a major success, so for Sony the Vita became an also-ran once the slow trajectory became apparent.
Proelite
Member
People are dismissing the idea of a portable with PS4 BC prematurely. I think it has great value as an addition to PS ecosystem, as long as dev support is optional.
1. The vast majority of the games being played on PS at this moment are COD, Warzone, Fifa, Genshin, Fortenite, Madden, etc. Games that are still on PS4 and being played on PS4.
2. Most, if not all AA or indie games will still be available on the PS4 in the future, so naturally they'll be on PS4 portable.
3. For PS5-only games, one can stream it, or if it's the case of Sony first party, they have the option of releasing a remaster / paid "downgrade".
I think such a device might sell at least 15-20 million units, and that's worth it for Sony because the engagement/spend on the device will be higher than on PS5 / PS4, and they don't have to devote extra resource in creating a library for a device, since it won't be a standalone platform like Vita.
Just call it PS4 Portable.
As for specs, you would expect it to have
8 core latest-gen Zen, 18 latest gen CUs, 16GB of LPPDR6, and 1TB SSD.
7-8" 1080p120hz OLED Screen with VRR
40-50 watt hour battery
$399-$499
1. The vast majority of the games being played on PS at this moment are COD, Warzone, Fifa, Genshin, Fortenite, Madden, etc. Games that are still on PS4 and being played on PS4.
2. Most, if not all AA or indie games will still be available on the PS4 in the future, so naturally they'll be on PS4 portable.
3. For PS5-only games, one can stream it, or if it's the case of Sony first party, they have the option of releasing a remaster / paid "downgrade".
I think such a device might sell at least 15-20 million units, and that's worth it for Sony because the engagement/spend on the device will be higher than on PS5 / PS4, and they don't have to devote extra resource in creating a library for a device, since it won't be a standalone platform like Vita.
Just call it PS4 Portable.
As for specs, you would expect it to have
8 core latest-gen Zen, 18 latest gen CUs, 16GB of LPPDR6, and 1TB SSD.
7-8" 1080p120hz OLED Screen with VRR
40-50 watt hour battery
$399-$499
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Investor9872
Member
The PS5 Pro is 100% coming, while the Vita 2 is pure speculations at this point. It wouldn't surprise me, though, given the hugely successful Playstation Portal launch had changed Sony's mind about handheld consoles, so the Vita 2 or a dedicated handheld gaming machine could come around the PS6 time frame of 2028.
Audiophile
Gold Member
I'd like a PSP(3) that's only maybe 10% bigger than Vita, rather than chasing the bigger screen devices like Steamdeck and a lesser extent the Switch. I'd like something that is genuinely portable and which can go in a large pocket. Switch and Steamdeck aren't really what I'd call portable in the same way the PSP/Vita/DS were; they're more carry it in your bag or luggage than stick it in you coat pocket... Heck, maintain the PSP moniker but call it PlayStation Pocket.
There are phones of course but they're very casual and generally suck for anything else due to control schemes; and while you can plug a controller in or add a surrounding controller device, it's all so clunky and once again goes against the idea of true portability, plus the software's not great. I literally wanna unzip my coat pocket, place the device in my hands, hit the power button and instantly resume my game.
Portal is fine at its size because it's built purely for Remote Play of large screen games. But I'd really like to see a proper portable device I can just whip out with that tighter semi-monolithic design with rounded ends.
A 5.5" Touchscreen OLED in 1920x1088 @ 40-90Hz VRR would be ideal. Only do it when they can do proper DLSS-like scaling.
A PS Plus add-on could include full download access to all available PSP, PSVita, PS1, PS2 & PS4 (Base Mode) titles. Full streaming access for PSP, PSVita, PS1, PS3 & PS4 titles. And Remote Play with PS4 & PS5. Include a simplified Android 'sandbox' so you can play mobile titles.
Support it with a ~2 top tier first-party titles a year and a ~4 top tier third-party titles a year; plus additional smaller games. Market well and price aggressively.
It could effectively be a base PS4 chip shrunk down considerably but with the GCN GPU switched out for a small, underclocked RDNA GPU with ML upscaling, plus an ARM co processor. The GDRR5 could be switched out for LPDDR5 on a wider bus (like Apple do).
As I said before, I think Vita was not just poorly supported but badly timed as mindsets were in flux around both consoles and handhelds/mobile in particular. It's all come full circle, Sony's brand, hardware and software are all very well-positioned and I think there's a spot between Switch & Steamdeck, generally for those who are interested in neither. I absolutely think it can work but it would take Sony nailing the execution. I think either 2026/27 or 2030 would be ideal.
I don't think just because Vita did poorly it means something similar would do as poorly now, a lot has changed since then.
There are phones of course but they're very casual and generally suck for anything else due to control schemes; and while you can plug a controller in or add a surrounding controller device, it's all so clunky and once again goes against the idea of true portability, plus the software's not great. I literally wanna unzip my coat pocket, place the device in my hands, hit the power button and instantly resume my game.
Portal is fine at its size because it's built purely for Remote Play of large screen games. But I'd really like to see a proper portable device I can just whip out with that tighter semi-monolithic design with rounded ends.
A 5.5" Touchscreen OLED in 1920x1088 @ 40-90Hz VRR would be ideal. Only do it when they can do proper DLSS-like scaling.
A PS Plus add-on could include full download access to all available PSP, PSVita, PS1, PS2 & PS4 (Base Mode) titles. Full streaming access for PSP, PSVita, PS1, PS3 & PS4 titles. And Remote Play with PS4 & PS5. Include a simplified Android 'sandbox' so you can play mobile titles.
Support it with a ~2 top tier first-party titles a year and a ~4 top tier third-party titles a year; plus additional smaller games. Market well and price aggressively.
It could effectively be a base PS4 chip shrunk down considerably but with the GCN GPU switched out for a small, underclocked RDNA GPU with ML upscaling, plus an ARM co processor. The GDRR5 could be switched out for LPDDR5 on a wider bus (like Apple do).
As I said before, I think Vita was not just poorly supported but badly timed as mindsets were in flux around both consoles and handhelds/mobile in particular. It's all come full circle, Sony's brand, hardware and software are all very well-positioned and I think there's a spot between Switch & Steamdeck, generally for those who are interested in neither. I absolutely think it can work but it would take Sony nailing the execution. I think either 2026/27 or 2030 would be ideal.
I don't think just because Vita did poorly it means something similar would do as poorly now, a lot has changed since then.
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