people throwing money at a garbage product does not make the product any less garbage
the star wars prequels were hugely profitable too
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"Power Levels Are Stupid"
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people throwing money at a garbage product does not make the product any less garbage
the star wars prequels were hugely profitable too
Dude Abides
Banned
I started watching DBZ for the first time in anticipation of the fighting game and the power level stuff is quite dumb.
Also everyone is strong, stronger, or strongiesstrongstrongula.
Also everyone is strong, stronger, or strongiesstrongstrongula.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
Moral of the story here
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
sums it perfectly!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Without the Taio-Ken the heroes would've lost like every arc...I'm pretty sure it saved them at least once against the four major baddies.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Fuck all that noise - Final Flash was the greatest shot of all time!
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
Heard there was a guy who could kill people by playing a flute.
Plague is great but it's sometimes hard to tell when he's joking or not which has an effect on how well you're able to enjoy his work. Even as a fan.
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
I'm currently working my way through Saint Seiya for the first time. I couldn't believe how quickly characters reached light speed . . . Pretty awesome series so far lol.
Seiya would body pre super Goku but no one ever brings him up. Maybe outside the US that fantasy match up is more common?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Plague is super bad about being terse.
I've seen Saint Seiya pop up frequently in manga/anime power discussions in the past. I just never had any context for it till I started reading/watching the series a few months ago. Now I fully understand why people would say that Goku can't hang with the Gold Saints lol.
The Omega Man
Member
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
Saint Seiya does it better IMO, Mu says it very clear: "Forget about what Cloth your opponent is wearing, whoever elevates his/her cosmo higher will be the victorious one"
And that's pretty much how it goes, while a gold saint has higher "base" cosmo than a Bronze Saint, a Bronze saint can still win.
Also those discussing here should watch the video and come back, he points out the fundamental flaws of power levels in a very eloquent way.
There is a reason that on Saint Seiya forums people still debate who will win between specific Saints against others, it was never a clear cut based on numbers like on Dragon Ball
I guess on forums I had always seen this claim that DB characters are some of the most powerful in fiction, certainly anime, Goku always being matched with supes, etc.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
He'd probably get banned before getting out of Junior.
That makes sense. The Saints have vastly different power-sets and combat strengths. It's not as clear cut as DB at all, where stronger guy beats weaker guy like 99% of the time.
I used to be one of those people lol. However the more discussions I read and participated in, the more I noted Saint Seiya would frequently pop up. This year I finally decided to put an end to my curiosity, and see how strong these characters were for myself. So far I am very impressed. Shit escalated VERY quickly.
MrSaturn99
Member
Pretty much how I feel. Super has many flaws, but that it tossed out things like that makes room for more dumb fun and I'm okay with that.
Seeing Roshi and Tenshinhan actually doing things again makes it more than worth it.
Or even YYH or one piece
The Silver
Member
What are you talking about, Super has been completely shitting on Tien.
Watch Saint Seiya and then try to argue power levels
Yeah, that shows pretty bad too, in some ways worse than DB. There's the whole thing about the saints being able to perform superhuman feats like punching through mountains, but also somehow simultaneously having the durability of normal human bodies. I'm sure it sounded like a cool idea to the creator, but it's incredibly stupid and one of the things that never sat right with me since I started watching it.
Haha, yeah. Plague would get banned in no time.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
He was a necessary sacrifice for making Master Roshi and Krillin cool again.
Power levels are bullshit, and nothing makes sense, all the fights suck and are crazy boring, with just generic punches and a few laser beams.
Super is garbage compared to something like YYH, or even Naruto.
Hell, I would even take Bleach over it.
I still keep watching every week because it's fucking Dragon Ball, and no matter how much I hate it, I love it.
Super is garbage compared to something like YYH, or even Naruto.
Hell, I would even take Bleach over it.
I still keep watching every week because it's fucking Dragon Ball, and no matter how much I hate it, I love it.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
There are probably more Tien screentime in Super than Z by now.
The only memorable thing he did in Z is getting killed by Nappa, Tri-Beam against Cell, and saving Gohan from Buu. there are some episodes dedicated to him in Super
The DB writers has give up precise power levels since Frieza saga, other than some vague power differences. I have no idea why people are so hung up on that.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Power levels gone stupid because of Frieza and Super Saiyan transformation. In the first arc of DBZ Saiyan arc and early to mid Namek saga, power levels are still within 5 digits, so characters are all mostly comparable. Frieza came along and the numbers all went to shit.
"Power levels" to me were boring.
There were a few cool energy beams, but most of this "raising power level" stuff was boring to sit through. Watching characters stand still like unmovable mountains.
versus actual acrobatic fights...
God.The quality is so much worse in modern anime.
yeah, I wonder what people are smoking when they say Super looks good :/
Not just DB btw, One Piece for example looks horrible these days compared to the first 300 or so eps
Vital Tundra
Member
As yes, Plague. The man who hates literally everythingÂ’. They dumb as fuck, though.
But that's barely even animated...unlike
At least post something from Goku vs Majin Vegeta
Dark_castle
Junior Member
yeah, I wonder what people are smoking when they say Super looks good :/
Not just DB btw, One Piece for example looks horrible these days compared to the first 300 or so eps
Yeah it's insane how much better the older anime can look in terms of art style and things like animations.
I think many of you have seen this video and it still holds true in 2017. DB Super animators forgotten a lot of animation techniques that made DBZ fight scenes fun to watch (bad pacing aside).
Polioliolio
Member
The power levels and subverting your power thing in Z was done well. It was fine. It was sort of silly, and perhaps intentionally so, but this is a different issue than power creep. Like if Beerus can destroy a planet by what, tapping a table or whatever he does.. Basically a sneeze could destroy a planet.. Then why isn't Earth destroyed in a flash when he and Goku punch each other? I'm sure it gets really dumb later.
At least in Z, on through cell I think, to destroy the planet required a massive ball of energy you'd have to push through the earth. I think.. A little hazy. Buu jumped the shark further than it had ever been jumped up to that point. Super is fanfiction it's so bad from what I've seen.
At least in Z, on through cell I think, to destroy the planet required a massive ball of energy you'd have to push through the earth. I think.. A little hazy. Buu jumped the shark further than it had ever been jumped up to that point. Super is fanfiction it's so bad from what I've seen.
It doesn't.
Polioliolio
Member
But that's barely even animated...unlike
At least post something from Goku vs Majin Vegeta
Ew. The animation might be smoother, but damn does that look bad. Modern anime is so sterile and ugly. Yick. Those CG pencil lines.
Finaika
Member
Is he actually blocking a freaking sword with his freaking fingers?!
New to Dragon Ball?
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
I like Plague even though I could tell early on the dude was milkshake duck material. I really appreciate his content but he seems like a grumpy asshole. He lives in the same sphere as a lot of internet animators.
Off topic but Super doing Tenshinhan like that fucking breaks me. I hated his episodes.
Off topic but Super doing Tenshinhan like that fucking breaks me. I hated his episodes.
Star Orpheus
Member
Literally one of the first things that happens in Dragon Ball is Goku being annoyed by a gunshot the the face.
SenorArdilla
Member
Screentime includes:
- Getting beaten up by brainwashed Roshi
- Getting beaten up by Gohan
- Using Tri-Beam against a fodder character
- Getting knocked out by a fodder character
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