Speaking of physics, can someone explain what causes the jerking under braking of some cars now? I was taking the Zonda R around notSuzuka the other day and it really threw off my lap when I'd come into the first turn and have the car pull to the right while braking. Is this a side effect of PhysX or a per-car physics file deal? I'm guessing the latter.
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Project CARS (crowdsourcing) racing sim by Slightly Mad Studios (fully funded 3.75M)
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Metalmurphy
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ABS off?
Are you using STM?
As far as I understand, PhysX should only come into play if a car hits a barrier/car, or if a car becomes airborne.
Brakes locking,
somewhere on the forum (sry no link), one of the FFB tweaking threads, there are some suggestions on parameters you can change that will reduce/get rid of the effect.
PrematureQuiche
Member
I am about to go play some MP if anyone else is up for it.
New trailer on Gametrailers, just amazing, although dont like the music much.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/8iaux1/project-cars-exclusive--let-go-with-you-trailer
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/8iaux1/project-cars-exclusive--let-go-with-you-trailer
mclaren777
Member
Not bad, though you're right about the music too much brostep, not enough dubstep.
It's actually made from parts of the community trailers by Andy Tudor. The music is apparently something they got permission to use so they decided to use it for an "official" trailer.
It seems I'm going to be proved wrong next month, with 75k€ coming in the next few days only 230k remains and it looks very likely that the funding will end in next month. I probably won't be putting down anything more, but am very happy with how much I did already.
Here's the quote from Andy Tudor for the interested, I'm not a -step guy, but if the music gives us any publicity then that'd be great:
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Metalmurphy
Member
Hopefully Audi.
Hopefully Mercedes.
Big Takeover
Member
I wasn't aware that the tide needed turning. Had they been discouraged by the lack of interest from manufacturers?
Metalmurphy
Member
It may have been a case of manufacturers being fine with it when SMS asked them, but otherwise manufacturers not being aware of the existence of CARS. In this case, presumably the manufacturer themselves was like hey, that's cool, we want to be part of that -- without SMS even having to market it to them or pursue them.
Big Takeover
Member
Ah, yes. Gotcha. Good news then.
*yawn*
Well, unless they go for some of the classics.
Exactly mate.
Hopefully Maybach.
In all seriousness though, I'm really excited to hear who the manufacturer is. German cars are probably my favorite in general, so pretty much whatever the news is it's gonna be good news for me.
mclaren777
Member
Bummer. I'd much rather have small companies or just lots and lots of open-wheeled cars.
For example...
Bummer. I'd much rather have small companies or just lots and lots of open-wheeled cars.
For example...
God no, no more of that.
Metalmurphy
Member
More of this please...
80-90's DTM
Yes please!
Not right now and there's some very heated discussions going in the forums right now between the pro and anti mods people...
I've never seen so much mod hate before lol...Some of those people are really ridiculous.
Oh and NEVER mention GTA 4 in one of those threads hahaha.
I figured as much. Just have two .exe files. One that accepts mods and one that does not. For the .exe with mods you can only make private online rooms. .exe w/o mods is the normal game. Mods have their little world and stock game purists have theirs.
I assume people are worried about shit mods in a game as graphically intense as pCARS. Well, I suspect the best solution to this is pirating car models from Forza (yes, a 360 game) and NFS Shift. Which is an issue in and of itself.
Could you provide me a link to the thread, for amusement?
I think currently anyone can make car liveries, but I don't know whether they have still decided to have any mod support for the final game (other than liveries). I'm pro-mod and should probably voice my opinion, but mine is a very small voice in lots of members.
It's not even that lol... It's "investors" freaking out that some people might modify their precious game. I'm telling you...some of those people in those threads...man....
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
I was posting in that GTA4 thread and couldn't believe how mad some them were...
You mean the GTA 4 thread?
I side with the devs on this one. They made the models and now people are distributing them in various some games, some that are "competition" to pCars like rF2, and not giving credit or source. Andy said that they do not want it to happen and it was against the ToS; it's disrespecting the authour and pretty much blatant piracy. The devs don't want their content being ripped off and their wishes should be respected.
That doesn't mean it's always bad; the guy who ripped Witcher 2 stuff to Skyrim asked for permission beforehand and was granted one.
There's still a lot be decided, but there definitely will be support for some modded content:
I couldn't find the post, but they said that once the time comes to decide they'll give us the pros and cons post and probably start a poll on it
Anyhow, it's not a simple matter of wanting to have proper moddability and whether it's viable and doable. Micas or others weren't against modding, but against of doing it at the cost of included content and console versions. The devs themselves started as modders.
First, to do it properly you need to dedicate a lot of resources into it. The UI team, the physics team, the modellers, online team etc. need to work together to make it happen, and that's just a basic implementation.
So, it would mean cutting some content from the release version, but more importantly it something that the console versions wouldn't benefit at all. Seeing as majority of the sales will come from the console versions is it fair or wise to cut anything from them especially since we're still talking about probably less cars and tracks than competitors. PC will still be easily the best of them of feature plenty of options missing from the console versions.
There's hardly any reason to be agaisnt modding in general, but it remains to be seen if it's the way for pCARS. I would love to see P&G4 make it pCars or something from RMT, but more importantly I want the base game to be as good as possible. If there's going to be a vote then I want to know what exactly is going to be cut to make it happen.
Currently, there's going to be proper livery support and I believe open scripting for custom races and possibly something else.
The big "investors" are the people that turned me off upgrading from junior, I see they are still at it, trying to sink the game with stupidity.
With the voting setup as it is, one or two idiots can control the vote via just showing up and voting, due to the number of lower members you have to rally to vote otherwise.
They still seem to make you pay for free advertising though
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
I think the problem with the pCARS forum is a lot of the people there are too close to the devs. If that discussion happened here, mostly no one would give a shit that some skins from pCARS ended up in GTA 4, especially when it's an incredibly niche thing that probably a few thousand (if that) people end up using. I noticed that a lot of people are either too invested in the particular game (understandable if they've dropped tens of thousnads in to the project, I guess) or the mentality of the devs which is obviously different to the consumers has warn off on the community as so many of them post on there.
As a consumer, I really don't care in the slightest. I was really shocked that so many people were out for blood that had no ties to SMS etc.
Like I said on the pCARS forum, I do agree that their models shouldn't be used in rival products, however. There is reason to find that pretty damn dodgy.
I just can't wait for the day when some of them will realize that their precious will get pirated just like any other games available today.
Anyway, as somebody who is a consumer for pCARS (I'm a full member) but also working in the game industry (so I know how those things work, from both sides of the issue), I must say that it's kinda funny to follow those guys.
mclaren777
Member
There's barely any of it now. On the low end you have the wingless Formula Rookie and eventually they will add the Formula Gulf.
I think pCARS needs at least one open-wheeled car in the F3 to GP3 range.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Piracy threads will be kinda funny.
Someone will link The Pirate Bay and say "22 THOUSAND PEOPLE ARE STEALING MY PROFIT" haha.
Ahh, the forums are pretty good honestly, most people just take it a bit too seriously I think.
Yeah exactly. It was bound to happen since with a "normal" game the investors are nowhere near as involved in the day to day stuff.
There's also the way how these guys do it:
One ripper in particular seemed like a real nice guy, he'd registered a couple of months ago as a junior, made no posts or efforts to aid the development, ripped numerous models from the game and distributed them as his own with no credit to SMS. He blatantly violated the terms of WMD and freely distributed content he did not own as his own. In that case "out of blood" is kinda acceptable and at least trying to take it down from major sites is fine because it's what the owner's of the content want.
Now think about if that was some content you created yourself, say you made a model for Power and Glory and wanted it to be exclusive for said mod. Then some guy goes and rips it, distributes as his own and refuses to take it down because it's no big deal.
I don't think ripping the models into GTA4 in itself is very harmful, but it should not be acceptable by any means if the content owners are certainly against it. Vitt also said that it can be harmful for the devs in the long run.
Also, I kind want to hear some quotes from the big investors, Micas could not be described as cool-headed, but I think they have good points:
I don't see the problem here, he wants the game to be as good as possible and make money at the same time. Those two are not exclusive.
EDIT: Holy crap, they actually broke 450k yesterday and there's still at least 50k of SM money coming.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
You're quite right of course that it isn't "right" to take assets like that, but to put it in a mod in a way that no way gets that person profit or makes people shy away from pCARS, I just can't muster any reason to care
My personal preference would be to allow mods. As good as SMS support can be, nothing really compares with a good mod community.
My personal preference would be to allow mods. As good as SMS support can be, nothing really compares with a good mod community.
You're quite right of course that it isn't "right" to take assets like that, but to put it in a mod in a way that no way gets that person profit or makes people shy away from pCARS, I just can't muster any reason to care
My personal preference would be to allow mods. As good as SMS support can be, nothing really compares with a good mod community.
Good mod communities can keep a game alive long past when it would have died off without it.
mclaren777
Member
I just read through the thread in question.
There are lots of emotional people in there.
There are lots of emotional people in there.
Link?
I find this such a bogus argument.You're quite right of course that it isn't "right" to take assets like that, but to put it in a mod in a way that no way gets that person profit or makes people shy away from pCARS, I just can't muster any reason to care
My personal preference would be to allow mods. As good as SMS support can be, nothing really compares with a good mod community.
Let's for argument sake say that someone found a way to rip iRacing tracks and port them to rFactor 2, or older gMotor based games. This would then be completely acceptable, because he/she does not make any profit from it, really.
Modding, as in creating your own stuff like Renato and team (F79 mod), the Historic GT stuff, P&g mod, VLM tracks/mods, scratch build Nordschleife and so on, those people should always be supported, IMHO, if possible. The scum that rips content out of other games, should be looked down on as it is right now on most respected PC racing sites/forums (no file linking).
I will support it in pCARS if SMS is capable on keeping the original game files "verifiable(checksum)" (like SimBin GTR(x) series), so when I compare my times on a leaderboard or go online for some close racing, I do not end up racing a guy with modded tires or engines files.
This isn't really funny at all, because I'm afraid people will campaign for some sort of super DRM more than the online login already requires. I would be okay with the online login + Steam, but more would make me sad and I think could cause more harm than good.
However:
I disagree with this. I guess I should try to find the thread and respond there directly, but this is of course a case where someone paid 50-to-75 times as much money as I did, so my opinion has a relatively smaller weight. Note that it's great someone did donate that much money -- I'm just saying that it's understandable that a minority opinion may not have as much weight.
The thing is that the man is both (presumably) well off and has a close connection to SMS (due to large investment), and thus he is potentially at liberty to try to request a specific mod from SMS. Most people will not be in that position, and as long as there are options to use only official checksum'd files, you can have unmodded time trials as well as modded time trials, and if anything your community should stay alive LONGER, no?
Even if you try to lock out modding, you could end up playing cat and mouse with people trying to cheat and modify files, so that problem exists either way. How does giving community more tools/options/mods with broader appeal negatively impact community longevity? If anything, judging by high-profile examples like Minecraft and DayZ, longevity and appeal are increased. Look at how long the ARMA series has been in the Steam top seller list. I'm pretty sure it's not because people constantly buy ARMA II to play ARMA II.
The other factor I dislike is paying for incremental updates (subscription/stream of paid DLC) rather than mod/free updates and an initial investment, with continued money made off of game sales. Maybe the only viable financial model in the future truly is paid DLC and microtransactions, and I'm merely a sad relic of the past. I'm not a financial expert enough to know.
*edit* Looking on the forums, some of the above quotes are actually from a long time ago (several months at least?), so I probably missed the boat on that discussion anyway.
Now on the other hand, if you argue that spending too much time to make a good set of mod tools could be too expensive and not a wise investment since consoles could not use them, I could buy that argument.
Yeah, and the only DRM that actually works is a login (which we already have), anything else is a huge waste of time and money and will be cracked within hours of being released.
Oh and let's not forget that the 360 version will be available online at least a week before release day lol.
He's either the guy who took a loan to invest more or the guy who took a second mortgage on his house to invest more... I can't remember who's who between the two big wigs.
Even if you try to lock out modding, you could end up playing cat and mouse with people trying to cheat and modify files, so that problem exists either way. How does giving community more tools/options/mods with broader appeal negatively impact community longevity? If anything, judging by high-profile examples like Minecraft and DayZ, longevity and appeal are increased. Look at how long the ARMA series has been in the Steam top seller list. I'm pretty sure it's not because people constantly buy ARMA II to play ARMA II.
Agree, modding still happen most of the time even if the company won't offer proper mod tools. Heck, there was modding in the Shift games and they never offered tool, it was even frowned upon because EA didn't allow it. Didn't stop people from doing it...and pCARS is using the same engine (and presumably a similar file structure).
Agree also
Ditto.
Generally speaking, I think it's something that could be done a little after launch(but still create the base for added content during the development) as not to affect the base content or console versions. Shift's modding didn't work very well online and enabled cheating easily so trying to lock the game at first and then provide proper tools when they're ready could be an option.
TJP
Member
I felt the same way for a very long time but as each build got better, I thought 'screw it' and gave a few extra dollars to become a senior. I don't care about what happens financially, I just want a great game. I don't bother to read the majority of threads on WMD as the negativity towards other games and dev teams boils my piss but that is what happens when certain types of people invest in pCARS.
The announcement of RUF is a good one - I'm sure nearly every sim due for release in the next 2 years has RUF cars 8) but no Porsche (thanks EA) or Ferrari (thanks MS).