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[Aztechnology]

Hopefully this finally tips Nvidia over on their desktop cards as well. I've been waiting.

 

[TLZ]

 

[UrbanRats]

Holy shit, this is genuinely surprising.

 

[Tain]

this is a big fucking deal holy shit

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Are we really expecting this console to be >=$399? I'm curious as to how much more expensive features like this make a console.

 

[jet1911]

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovation...a-9dcb-88635bbdaf65={"k":""}#Default={"k":""}

Near the end of the page you can check which monitors can do Freesync over HDMI.

 

[RyudBoy]

Are we really expecting this console to be >=$399? I'm curious as to how much more expensive features like this make a console.

$499

That's what I'm expecting. Will be surprised if it's less.

 

[Night.Ninja]

How they gonna down play this one

Now I need to look for a new tv

 

[MisterXDTV]

TV manufacturers can barely get their shit together for a software-based game mode and this will require additional hardware. I think we'll have to wait a while. Would like to be wrong.

Why additional hardware?

It's part of the HDMI 2.1 spec, when they release TVs with HDMI 2.1 inputs, it will be there

 

[justsomeguy]

I figure it's a bit of a waste to connect Scorpio to a 1080p screen just for freesync when it means you're losing out on HDR and 4K resolution in the process.

I think waiting until the end of the year is the best bet.

Where it gets interesting is in 5 (or whatever) years time when the next iteration of Xbox hardware is out and presumably Scorpio becomes the lowest common denominator. Suddenly if it's struggling to keep a decent framerate on 2023's games, it won't matter quite as much because adaptive refresh displays will, hopefully, be widespread.

 

[Kaako]

Are we really expecting this console to be >=$399? I'm curious as to how much more expensive features like this make a console.

We have a Scorpio price discussion thread for this purpose and yes. Still 100% expecting that $399.98 price point at E3.

 

[dankir]

Quick list of current Samsung monitors that support this (over HDMI), but will probably be much cheaper by the time it comes out...

Samsung 21.5" - $160

Samsung 24" - $199

Samsung 27" - $297

Samsung 34" - $820 (bit of a price jump, lol)

I'm sure their are others, like Acer and cheaper options...but I'm googled out. haha

The 34" looks tempting. If I buy that I'm good on this feature?

 

[Fess]

It's pretty awesome when you think how this system is going to automatically upgrade whenever you decide to buy a new TV down the line, while having those of us still content with our 1080p sets covered as well. Even at $500, this system would be well worth it and then some.

Easy now, I still think $399 would be the perfect price, but I guess $449 could work too with clever marketing. Freesync is huge though, I think everybody who downplays this don't really know what it is. I thought it was a night and day difference when I got my gsync monitor.
Bonus, if the console could somehow automatically deactivate vsync when you connect it to a Freesync TV/monitor we could see another performance boost across the board too when HDMI2.1/Freesync is the norm.
Anyhow, I'm pretty much ready to preorder this now. MS is doing just about everything right with this box as it seems right now.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Are we really expecting this console to be >=$399? I'm curious as to how much more expensive features like this make a console.

Freesync is 100% royalty free and the latest HDMI spec is kind of a no brainer for a device launching in late 2017.

So I doubt this makes the console any more expensive.

 

[Tain]

I'm not even interested in Scorpio but this feels like the biggest bit of hopeful news for a future where any old TV from your local store supports Variable Refresh Rate.

the future I want to live in

 

[TechnicPuppet]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01F1PSHVW/

I just bought two of these. These will work yeah?

 

[Cleve]

The 34" looks tempting. If I buy that I'm good on this feature?

Not for a scorpio. It's ultra-wide 1440p. It's very unlikely many scorpio games will support that res.

 

[Hoo-doo]

The 34" looks tempting. If I buy that I'm good on this feature?

Scorpio will likely not support 21:9 aspect ratios and you'll lose out on 4K and HDR.

I'd say wait a bit. There'll be other monitors.

 

[CJY]

Are we really expecting this console to be >=$399? I'm curious as to how much more expensive features like this make a console.

Isn't this just the latest version of HDMI? (I.e. 2.1). I don't see it adding much to the cost in all honesty.

 

[MisterXDTV]

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovation...a-9dcb-88635bbdaf65={"k":""}#Default={"k":""}

Near the end of the page you can check which monitors can do Freesync over HDMI.

Ok so I counted 3 monitors with 4K and FreeSync over HDMI:

HP Envy 27
HP Envy 27s
Acer H277hk

 

[sangreal]

Ok so I counted 3 monitors with 4K and FreeSync over HDMI:

HP Envy 27
HP Envy 27s
Acer H277hk

​As of January 15, 2016 though

but I think we will need to wait for freesync2 monitors

 

[MisterXDTV]

Isn't this just the latest version of HDMI? (I.e. 2.1). I don't see it adding much to the cost in all honesty.

Again, it's still HDMI 2.0 with some features from HDMI 2.1 (via firmware). HDMI 2.1 is not available yet...

 

[AuthenticM]

Fantastic!

 

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Actually while this is great and an actual megaton, could someone ask Dark if that means that the Scorpio supports variable HDR?

Because that is the true Megaton.

Like Trump being impeached level megaton.

 

[Ahasverus]

Megaton. Damn Sony half baked the Pro, and I have a Pro.

 

[shandy706]

The 34" looks tempting. If I buy that I'm good on this feature?

I'd wait

There will probably be better options closer to Scorpio's release.

 

[pieface]

Judging by the way you are all reacting, this is obviously a big deal, means nothing to me though.

 

[DangerMouse]

In other words, "how dare you get excited over the next Xbox, even though it is going to kick the shit out of any console ever released."

The Microsoft hate is so 2013. Get over it, fellas.

This is a really cool feature for the future when TVs also start supporting new HDMI once the standard is complete and hopefully MS supporting it will push Sony to support it too via there own software update of the port, but the bolded is LOL.

 

[amdb00mer]

I called this back during CES when the new HDMI standard was announced. I bet Scorpio on down the road will be able to support 8K video output as well, but ONLY for video. No up-scaling games, no need to jump the shark with that prediction.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Megaton. Damn Sony half baked the Pro, and I have a Pro.

Why? PS4 Pro games are usually locked to 30 or 60 fps. The same will be true for Scorpio

 

[PyroPaperPlanes]

This is a bombshell. Kudos Microsoft for being the first to include variable framerate technology into the console space first.

 

[Rocketz]

Good thing I was looking into a monitor for this year.

 

[LukasTaves]

360 had a tons of Xbox 1 games unsupported and many of those that were supported had bugs and slowdown. Can't even play Halo CE because it slows down to a uncomfortable level in every engagement. Especially silent cartographer, its unplayable

I was talking about 360 games on Xbone, but I see what you mean now.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I called this back during CES when the new HDMI standard was announced. I bet Scorpio on down the road will be able to support 8K video output as well, but ONLY for video. No up-scaling games, no need to jump the shark with that prediction.

No it won't, the HDMI 2.0 port supports 18 GB/s bandwidth, not 48 GB/s

 

[Ahasverus]

Why? PS4 Pro games are usually locked to 30 or 60 fps. The same will be true for Scorpio

Because it doesn't have premium features such as this one. Or basic ones, as global supersampling/Anisotropic Filtering.

Hoping for a patch though!

 

[Tain]

I cannot stress this enough: all future consoles that do not have variable refresh rate support deserve to be clowned into oblivion.

 

[timmyp53]

Hmm putting in an advanced feature almost no 4kTV's will have for the foreseeable future. Hmmm this Scorpio thing could stick around for a long while.

 

[Paragon]

I guess I'll get a second Freesync 4K monitor just to play console games on now. My PC monitor is GSYNC and only 1080p. Doesn't seem to be any with HDR though. Hopefully some will be out soon for not too extravagant prices.

ASUS have announced a 27" 4K 144Hz HDR G-Sync monitor for $1200.
I could see a FreeSync version for $1000 or so later this year.

There will surely be many more lower-cost options that only do 60Hz VRR, or have limited HDR support. (edge dimming/global dimming)
That ASUS monitor has a 384-zone local dimming system for really good HDR support, but that's expensive to implement.

Probably already been asked but
* is variable refresh rate a mandate in HDMI 2.1?
* Does that mean I should hold off buying a new TV?

It's unknown at this point whether VRR will be a requirement.
I hope it is, so that NVIDIA are forced to support it, unlike DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync.

I would wait if you don't need a new TV this year. VRR is a game-changer.

Oh wow G-Sync/Freesync is an amazing upgrade for the PC. How is it possible that this news hasn't leaked?? This is huge!

It was leaked a few days ago and the tweet promptly deleted.

 

[tapedeck]

I kinda just assumed most mid-high range TV's that are coming out in 2018 will have HDMI 2.1 no? So this seems like a very good call and maybe not as quite as 'unnecessary' as the article says.

 

[Venuspower]

Brilliant move from Microsoft.
I was really sad that Sony did not implement FreeSync in PS4 PRO.

HDMI 2.1 for Scorpio is awesome too. Scorpio becoming better and better.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Because it doesn't have premium features such as this one. Or basic ones, as global supersampling/Anisotropic Filtering.

Hoping for a patch though!

Everything you said can be added with a firmware update (maybe not FreeSync but HDMI VRR for sure)

 

[Peltz]

A correction. Freesync is just AMD's brand name for their certification of Adaptive Sync displays (and certification for working with their implementation)

If TVs decide to adopt VRR next year which is still up in the air they will probably go with their own implementations of it and not bother to have AMD's certification. Ironically AMD made Freesync to try and prevent precisely this situation.


Adaptive sync is really hard especially with audio being brought into the mix. Also contrary to popular belief an HDMI user does not need to implement the whole of the spec,
and there is huge leeway on the manner some parts are implemented.

Hmmm... thanks for the clarification. I'll just hope for the best then.

 

[Backfoggen]

Why additional hardware?

It's part of the HDMI 2.1 spec, when they release TVs with HDMI 2.1 inputs, it will be there

You need a different interface to drive the panel as far as I know.

 

[MCD]

We need this even if most of us won't buy a TV set for years. This should be standard down the road thanks to console manufacturers pushing and demanding more.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I kinda just assumed most mid-high range TV's that are coming out in 2018 will have HDMI 2.1 no? So this seems like a very good call and maybe not as quite as 'unnecessary' as the article says.

2019 is more likely IMO

 

[ironcreed]

This is a really cool feature for the future when TVs also start supporting new HDMI once the standard is complete and hopefully MS supporting it will push Sony to support it too via there own software update of the port, but the bolded is LOL.

Come on, I obviously meant in terms of hardware and tech. Which does kick the shit out of any other console.

 

[boneyjangles]

Again, it's still HDMI 2.0 with some features from HDMI 2.1 (via firmware). HDMI 2.1 is not available yet...

Ahh, suddenly this all makes more sense, thanks for this bit of info.

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

Hey my wife plays overwatch on a freesync monitor. I'll have to try it out since i dont have a pc to play games with it lol

 

[ironcreed]

We need this even if most of us won't buy a TV set for years. This should be standard down the road thanks to console manufacturers pushing and demanding more.

Yeah, it is kind of neat to know that just buying a new TV down the road will also upgrade my system to a pretty significant degree.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

How they gonna down play this one

Now I need to look for a new tv

New TVs don't even support HDMI 2.1 (not until well into next year) and there are currently no TVs out there that support FreeSync. So if you're buying a new TV, do it some time late in 2018 for the first batch to come out that MAY support FreeSync (it needs an extra feature on top of 2.1).

Essentially, you need to buy a PC monitor if you want something FreeSync right now. Also, FreeSync is built into basically all AMD GPUs now, so it's not surprising that it has FreeSync.