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Project Sword announced for iOS (from Epic Games, Unreal Engine)
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Peterthumpa
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Huh? The Wii has an ATI graphics chip inside, which AFAIK has satisfactory performance with all their product line-up concerning OpenGL.brain_stew said:
Peterthumpa
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:lolKuran said:
JordanLMiller
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Kuran said:
Was iPod gaming ever alive?
Peterthumpa
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It's a tech demo for God's sake.StuBurns said:
And the :lol was about the controls rant.
brain_stew
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felipepl said:
Nevermind, not worth the effort.
Peterthumpa
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Hm, yeah, video was so so, but here's hoping that the final game will have substantial content. I mean, that's Epic showcasing the game, they won't let it flop.StuBurns said:
me thinks
Peterthumpa
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Stealth edit?brain_stew said:
Anyway, doesn't look like from the 90's to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_(graphics_chip)
brain_stew
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felipepl said:
Its an overclocked and very slightly tweaked version of a chip that was taped out in the 90s by ArtX before ATI had any involvement with them. Its in no way comparable to a modern GPU like the SGX 535 featured in the Iphone or any of ATI's GPUs of recent years.
Its an absolutely hideous fit for UE3 which was built around SM3 hardware.
Yeah, I imagine it'll be good when it ships although I thought the video was pretty lame. With the exception of UT3, they haven't shipped a game that isn't excellent this generation. I hope they'll take their iPhone development as seriously.felipepl said:
I hope it doesn't just end up feeling like a tech demo though, id for example, Doom Resurrection is shit, it might be technically impressive for the hardware, but it is a really poor game, the MGS game on there used a similar shooting arcade style design but produced something far superior in terms of gameplay. Doom Classic on iPhone is bad too. Initially Carmack said Rage on iPhone would be a racing game, which is simpler in terms of inputs, so I thought that might be great, but based on the tech demo I think that might have changed.
Gears wouldn't work on the iPhone, that's fine, but a giant, slow, pretty, fruit ninja doesn't seem appealing.
Peterthumpa
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Well, living and learning.brain_stew said:
Peterthumpa
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Hm, there's Gears 1 and 2 out there, and the upcoming Bulletstorm looks pretty interesting too.StuBurns said:
Peterthumpa
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Oh, yeah, sorry... reading too fast latelyStuBurns said:
Hey Clifford, if you're still reading the thread, wondering if you've had a chance to try out the Vanquish demo? I'd read Mikami's work on RE4 was a big influence on Gears, now he's made a game that is clearly influenced by Gears himself, must be a cool feeling. Cyclical iteration almost.
Didn't Stumpokapow say on the first page to knock it off with the whining about the controls?
The iDevice platform was always capable of greater things than shitty Doodle Jump knockoffs, sadly that's just what the general public is happy with. Kudos to Epic and chAIR for this stunning achievement.
The iDevice platform was always capable of greater things than shitty Doodle Jump knockoffs, sadly that's just what the general public is happy with. Kudos to Epic and chAIR for this stunning achievement.
I'm not complaining about the lack of physical controls, I just kept wishing the controls were inverted. When I would swipe on the screen I could move fine, but once I used the virtual joystick, I lost all control :lol
The demo looks great, but I'm not sure I would buy/play a game like this on my iPhone. I really hope psp2 has a screen like the retina display on the iPhone though - its gorgeous.
The demo looks great, but I'm not sure I would buy/play a game like this on my iPhone. I really hope psp2 has a screen like the retina display on the iPhone though - its gorgeous.
Hellsing321
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This is amazing. And the controls are actually pretty well thought out for an iPhone game. The point to move thing is actually really handy and I find works a lot better than using the virtual sticks to move.
The Abominable Snowman
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All info on the game seems to point in the direction of it being mediocre, but the graphics are nice for a portable.
Any iPad videos?
Any iPad videos?
This is a showcase for the PVRTC texturing and unconditional image qualities of a tile buffer.
The graphics effects make good use of the platform's OpenGL ES 2.0 capabilities, but the SGX535 would actually go substantially further under its Direct3D 9L features.
Even in graphically intensive workloads, the CPU often can't keep up its end of the link and ends up stalling the GPU, precluding much of the GPU's performance. Splitting the workload with even the little rebalancing OpenCL would provide would go a long way to keeping both units productive.
The graphics effects make good use of the platform's OpenGL ES 2.0 capabilities, but the SGX535 would actually go substantially further under its Direct3D 9L features.
Even in graphically intensive workloads, the CPU often can't keep up its end of the link and ends up stalling the GPU, precluding much of the GPU's performance. Splitting the workload with even the little rebalancing OpenCL would provide would go a long way to keeping both units productive.
Maastricht
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What I like most about these controls is that I can point to run somewhere, then while running free look all around me. That's actually something that's not available in any game that I know of on consoles or PC, and I really like it - I've often thought that it would be great to be able to do this maybe with the tilt sensors in the PS3's sixaxis/dualshock, or with two Move controllers, but even this seems pretty cool.
So why exactly do most games struggle with framerates on the iPhone? It seems that there is more muscle here than expected.
CPU limitation? Fillrate limitation? Battery life concerns?
It seems that the platform is capable of a lot of modern effects, but perhaps doesn't have the muscle to use them at a reasonable speed in a real game.
Makes me wonder how some games can turn out so poorly. Sam and Max for iPad, for instance, was a complete clusterfuck. It wasn't using shaders or any of the advanced OpenGL ES features and it often ran at framerates in the single digits.
The Wii seems like it is much less powerful, yet there is nothing on the iPhone that is throwing around visuals at 60 fps with the complexity of some of the Wii's top games. Why are there still PSP games out there outperforming the iPhone? Ridge Racers was a launch title and ran at 60 fps. A graphically compromised iPhone version couldn't even manage 30 fps.
The gap between this tech demo and the real games is incredibly huge. I don't fully understand why this has been the case. Like I said, I can understand why indie games might struggle (they don't have the knowledge to really optimize in many cases), but there are so many releases from larger companies that run like shit.
CPU limitation? Fillrate limitation? Battery life concerns?
It seems that the platform is capable of a lot of modern effects, but perhaps doesn't have the muscle to use them at a reasonable speed in a real game.
Makes me wonder how some games can turn out so poorly. Sam and Max for iPad, for instance, was a complete clusterfuck. It wasn't using shaders or any of the advanced OpenGL ES features and it often ran at framerates in the single digits.
The Wii seems like it is much less powerful, yet there is nothing on the iPhone that is throwing around visuals at 60 fps with the complexity of some of the Wii's top games. Why are there still PSP games out there outperforming the iPhone? Ridge Racers was a launch title and ran at 60 fps. A graphically compromised iPhone version couldn't even manage 30 fps.
The gap between this tech demo and the real games is incredibly huge. I don't fully understand why this has been the case. Like I said, I can understand why indie games might struggle (they don't have the knowledge to really optimize in many cases), but there are so many releases from larger companies that run like shit.
Definitely memory. iPad only has 256mb while iPhone4 has 512mb.
dark10x said:
The budget for iPhone games is way more smaller than for console games. So even if the iPhone was stronger stan the 360 you wouldnt see games which look better than assasins creed just that they can be sold at a loss for 2 dollars on the app store. And if you are only developing for the latest iOS hardware, you will loose a big chunk off the customer pie.
dark10x said:
Well, the way I see it (I might be totally wrong) is that, while the Wii GPU has way less features, the Wii still has considerable more grunt power in its GPU-CPU-Memory speed combo. This tech demo is indeed impressive, but we still need to see how it translates into an actual game.
Also, each program on the iOS is limited to 64(?)MB of RAM usage by the OS, but that might have changed with the recent updates to the OS.
Stumpokapow
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bedlamite said:
To clarify; if someone specifically thinks the demos controls need improvement, that's fair game. I haven't had the chance to download it yet. If they're only posting "iphone gaming sucks put it on a real platform no buttons fucken crapple" then... well...
bedlamite said:
make your mind up. I agree with your first statement - its a demo after all. But then your second paragraph is assuming its a great game, which will of course need to include how it controls.
If you'd said the platform was always capable of better graphics than Doodle Jump, that would be more in keeping.
Diablohead
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I think the iphone 4 chip is downclocked a little to help with battery life, which a mobile really needs.Squire Felix said:
See, even if you have a low budget, you should AT LEAST be able to reach a high framerate (especially the more recent iDevices). There are some dead simple looking games on the platform that run at horrible framerates. The iPhone4, at least, should have no trouble pushing these at 60 fps.cw_sasuke said:
One thing I suppose we can't forget, though, is battery life. This tech demo does have a huge impact on battery life. A couple minutes of this on full brightness will drop your battery by 1-2%.
By "stunning achievement" I just mean the shiny graphics, it could play like shit, for all I know. EC blows every 3D game I've seen on the platform out of the water, it would be unfortunate if gameplay didn't match up to the visuals.mrklaw said:
Aside from gameplay I wonder how pricing will affect this game's success. iDevice gamers are some of the stingiest motherfuckers around...I guess getting swarmed by $0.99 games will do that to a person
Minsc
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dark10x said:
Just did a 30 minute test on my iPhone 4, started at exactly 71% battery, after 30 minutes it was 61% - on what I consider a normal brightness (this unfortunately is the biggest factor in battery life, so while it's nice to have stats with it maxed, I feel my normal usage is not accurately represented that way).
So extrapolating, 30 mins = 10%, a full charge would give around 5 hours of game time, which for me is not a big deal, anything over 3 is most likely more than I'd ever be doing at one go. Obviously it's pretty poor compared to handheld systems, but since cell phones come out with new generations every year, I'm not worried. In a couple years time, our batteries will last twice as long, and in another 5+ years, probably 5x as long.
ChackanKun
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This game, at the very least, looks amazing!
Are there fight movies? Since people are whining about the fighting parts?
Are there fight movies? Since people are whining about the fighting parts?
Mr. Wonderful
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The benchmark that was done was on the iPad's 3.2 versus iPhone 4's 4.0. I don't think you can make a valid comparison until the iPad is on to 4.0.elohel said:
Minsc
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ILikeFeet said:
I was using the touchscreen controls
I got quite good at moving around using just the left analog (very precisely, I kept closer to the center to use the slower speed) and using swipe controls to move the camera at the same time by the end of the 30 minutes. The right analog is completely unnecessary and inferior to the swipe controls imo.Worked even better than tap controls, which is not to say I don't enjoy those, they are also very well implemented.
Was hoping there'd be some easter eggs hidden in some corners, closest thing I got was making it in to the tent:
I'm actually pretty impressed with the variety and detail of textures in this ~100 meg tech demo.