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Protestors in Durham, NC bring down Confederate monument

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Majority of Confederate Monuments were put up as ways to intimidate black population and to make a statement against people who were actually in favor of equality. It was a way for the KKK and other groups to say fuck you. Its why even in states that were part of the Union we see confederate Monuments go up as recent as 2010.
This should be highlighted at all times. Most people don't know this.
 
I feel like it'd be be better to round this stuff up and put it in a museum so we can contextualize it and not forget it. But there are forces that may not allow this to happen and they're going to have to yield or people are just going to repeat this scene instead. People are just too angry and fed up.
 
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It is time
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Glad it was taken down but it would have been sweeter if it was done through legislation
Sure, but this is the same state that just 2 years ago enacted legislation to make it nearly impossible to take down these monuments.

Plus all that bullshit the legislature pulled last year with kneecapping the powers of the governor because a Democrat dared to win. NC is dirty af.


I feel like it'd be be better to round this stuff up and put it in a museum so we can contextualize it and not forget it. But there are forces that may not allow this to happen and they're going to have to yield or people are just going to repeat this scene instead. People are just too angry and fed up.
Actually historically significant statues, OK.

The rest of them can get fucked.

We don't need to fill museums with tons of crappy monuments to racists that were erected significantly after the war, many in places far removed from any actual connection to the confederacy or the people depicted in the statues, and primarily made to celebrate racism and intimidate black people.

They belong in museums as much as a modern-day nazi memorabilia replicas do.
 
I feel like it'd be be better to round this stuff up and put it in a museum so we can contextualize it and not forget it. But there are forces that may not allow this to happen and they're going to have to yield or people are just going to repeat this scene instead. People are just too angry and fed up.
They should just have been destroyed after the war, honestly.

Too many concessions were made to the south back then.
 
These people need to be arrested and charged for destruction of property.

And then bailed out and bought a round of beers.

There should be consequences for breaking the law. And we should celebrate them as the willing heros that they are.
 
These people need to be arrested and charged for destruction of property.

And then bailed out and bought a round of beers.

There should be consequences for breaking the law. And we should celebrate them as the willing heros that they are.
Why does there need to be consequences? People break the law all the time and get nothing
 
I cant wait for the the tubmans in 2020.

If trump reverses the plan, theres no defending his racism anymore.

If he doesnt, andrew jackson gets replaced by a proper hero.

Win win.
 
"Please why won't someone think of the feelings of the racists!?"

Err...that's kind of a weird thing to say. He's inferring that the racists would feel far worse if the government removed them instead of random protesters. Which is probably correct.

Not that I think the government would remove them anytime soon and am 100% on board with the statues getting removed or defaced or w/e asap, but still.
 
It's like if your best friend defended you from bully and beat the shit out of them you wouldn't say " i'm really glad you did this and you're a hero but there should be consequences."

Or maybe you would say that. In which case, you're weird as fuck.
 
I feel like it'd be be better to round this stuff up and put it in a museum so we can contextualize it and not forget it. But there are forces that may not allow this to happen and they're going to have to yield or people are just going to repeat this scene instead. People are just too angry and fed up.

Unless the statues have actual historic ties (as in, being constructed during the times they are representing - in which case the historic significance is more from a study on art and stone-masonry in American history), the only significant representation a side such as the confederacy deserves is a more abstract monument of shame. To argue whether fighting for the right to have slaves is right or wrong is grotesque, to honour the men who died for that ideal is to do a disservice for every single slave that suffered throughout history. Museums should by no means shy away of discussing - at length - as much of the Civil war as possible insofar as to educate, but statues are historically a symbol of admiration, which is something the confederacy has never deserved imo.

Tear the fuckers down.
 
Why does there need to be consequences? People break the law all the time and get nothing
Indeed. Case in point: the traitors whose images these status are made it in the first place. Since the US just completely let them off the hook, we can surely look the other way about these statues coming down too, can't we? Seems only fair to make up for the initial wrongs of them being pardoned and the statues being allowed to go up in the first place. Or does that type of thing only go one way (not that I don't already know the answer to that)? I'd definitely jury nullify so freakin' hard if I were on the jury for anyone who gets charged for anything in association with this.
 
The people saying there should be legal consequences are weird as fuck.

Rule of law. You can break the statue, but you accept there are consequences. If you're going to claim moral exceptions, then you can expect Trump and his ilk to do the same and you'd be very stupid to erode that barrier "because Confederate statues".
 
Arizona's Governor has announced he will not order Confederate Memorials taken down because "history" 2 of the most recent were installed in 1999 and 2010. "History"

What history? Racism.

Also, these statues shouldn't fall because the Confederates were losers and traitors to America.

These statues should fall because they were erected as symbols of hate and pride in the institution of subjugating black people.

These regimes fought to hold their right to own other people. Soldiers died to maintain their superior standing in the community over what they considered subhuman.

Anyone who wishes to romanticize this with films like Gone with the Wind or statues, is a racist asshole. Arizona commemorating slavery and valorizing the fabricated meaning of a war they did not participate in is blatantly racist.

If you a politician using racial supremacy as your wedge issue, maybe get the fuck out of office, because you are an absolute power-hungry cretin.
 
Err...that's kind of a weird thing to say. He's inferring that the racists would feel far worse if the government removed them instead of random protesters. Which is probably correct.

Not that I think the government would remove them anytime soon and am 100% on board with the statues getting removed or defaced or w/e asap, but still.

It's in quotes. It's sarcastically mocking what racists would say.
 
Do the laws preventing substantive alteration require them to rebuild the statue, or can they just leave it down?

Could it be argued that they can't legally rebuild it without committing substantive alteration?

No chance in hell they're replacing a confederate statue anywhere in the Raleigh-Durham area. That area is bluer than the sky with several large universities. There'd be massive protests.
 
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