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Protestors in Durham, NC bring down Confederate monument

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Brazil said:
That's all most white Americans have been doing their entire fucking life.

I guess it's hard to not be a fucking pushover when you've been taught by all of your ancestors to be one.
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It has and that's why MLK has always been right that the biggest threat being negative peace and the white moderate
 
sqwarlock said:
So many people I know saying, "This is detrimental to the cause", "We must rely on the government to tear these down, not the citizens", "We need a gentle hand".

It's like, how far do they have to get before you stop saying that shit?
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I'll confess: my initial gut reaction was along those lines. I yearn for the kind of change where the power structures are forced to reckon with the meaning of these symbols before officially removing them. There's power in governments erecting these monuments, and there's power in governments tearing them down. This still gives me chills.

All that said... NC's ridiculous state laws make something like that virtually impossible here, and besides that, there's no reason to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There's one fewer Confederate monument standing in my city tonight, and this was the only way it was going to happen. Good on these folks.
 
I love people posting on social media "snowflakes turning to vandalism now? Who is the real enemy?" And like thousands of people are responding with "the nazis and KKK are why is that a question?"

lol are people that dense with this shit.
 
Let's freeze the Earth in its current state to avoid damaging any more history.

History doesn't mean celebrating. That monstrosity is out in public, in loving memory to a group of racist traitors.

Just because the physical manifestation of hate isn't staring us in the face doesn't mean the country suddenly forgets how terrible the confederacy was. Doesn't mean we forget that South did everything they could to discriminate. People are living the effects of those things to this day. We don't need a bronze statue in loving memory of Robert E. Lee to remind us and embolden people that cling to those ideologies.

How does the country move forward when we still celebrate slave owners?

Tear them down, lets move forward.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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It belongs in rubble where it is.

And it is not like ISIS at all that you think is is is a perfect example of ignoring reason and examining this in abstraction to make an argument for order over justice.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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Isis though?
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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That would be a good point if this was a relic worth keeping around. We have photos of it and it can still go in museums.

This is actually the equivalent of destroying an ISIS monument. It's not like confederate statues being destroyed will also destroy every confederate artifact in a museum.
 
People saying that charges should be filed should note this from the article:

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Durham police later said they monitored the protests to make sure they were “safe” but did not interfere with the statue toppling because it happened on county property.

“Because this incident occurred on county property, where county law enforcement officials were staffed, no arrests were made by DPD officers,” Durham Police spokesman Wil Glenn said in a statement.

Durham County Sheriff’s deputies videotaped the statue being brought down — but didn’t stop it from happening.
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Sounds like these ruffians might just get away with this one.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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lmao

Prompto said:
Good

How soon until someone compares this to ISIS destroying monuments?
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Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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Holy shit. No it isn't the same as ISIS destroying thousand year old artifacts. These statues have zero historical significance. They aren't civil-war era. They were put up by salty descendants of the losers of war to keep people enslaved.

Jesus fucking christ.
 
Mobs shouldn't get to determine what is safe and what is destroyed, ever. My God ... what is happening here when we become like our opponent's?

Basically what you're saying is, whoever has the most power in a particular situation has the right to do what they want regardless of the rule of law. Seriously, what the fuck? It's not a far line to think that the mob kills someone next.
 
Slayven said:
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About damn time.
 
Trouble said:
Holy shit. No it isn't the same as ISIS destroying thousand year old artifacts. These statues have zero historical significance. They aren't civil-war era. They were put up by salty descendants of the losers of war to keep people enslaved.

Jesus fucking christ.
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That's not for you to decide, the community gets to decide that, even if they're wrong -- not protesters rioting from out of town.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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Destroying statues erected to glorify the South decades after the civil war itself ended in the 20th centuries = destroying ancient artifacts of bygone civilizations thousands of years old?

Are you on ketamine right now? Did you not learn what false equivalencies we're back in school? Christ.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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The ruins can be brought to a museum, with a message on why it was torn down.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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False equivalencies for $500, Alex.
 
Briarios said:
I'm sorry, but this is no different than ISIS destroying relics because they conflict with their ideology.

I'm totally on the counter-protesters side; I'm fine with punching Nazi's. Hate groups don't deserve the legal protections their getting because the only purpose of their speech is to disenfranchise or to incite harm.

I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.

It belongs in a museum or somewhere else -- but no mob should make decisions like this for society in a violent fashion.
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Really, a statue is where you draw the line? You're fine with violence but goodness leave the statues alone! >.>

Bruh.
 
Briarios said:
That's not for you to decide, the community gets to decide that, even if they're wrong -- not protesters rioting from out of town.
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This was the fucking community and it wasn't a riot. Durham is over 70% blue, the city council ok'd it and they legally weren't able to remove it thanks to the NC gop. Please do some basic research.
 
Briarios said:
Mobs shouldn't get to determine what is safe and what is destroyed, ever. My God ... what is happening here when we become like our opponent's?

Basically what you're saying is, whoever has the most power in a particular situation has the right to do what they want regardless of the rule of law. Seriously, what the fuck? It's not a far line to think that the mob kills someone next.
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Someone already died this weekend at the hands of a white supremacist emboldened by his mob. I haven't seen any left wing protesters do the same.

Do not compare them.
 
Briarios said:
Hardly. Just because one side is obviously evil, and the other side I support -- I'm not going to support inappropriate actions. It's all about the motivation to destroy, and it's just not all that different.
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Bruh you're posting once a minute without actually reading the thread.
 
Briarios said:
Mobs shouldn't get to determine what is safe and what is destroyed, ever. My God ... what is happening here when we become like our opponent's?

Basically what you're saying is, whoever has the most power in a particular situation has the right to do what they want regardless of the rule of law. Seriously, what the fuck? It's not a far line to think that the mob kills someone next.
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You're the one who compared it to ISIS.

You have no moral high ground.

If the law was just these wouldn't exist and Nazis wouldn't be free to march... but they do and they are... instead of looking down on those taking action maybe take a moment to realize that your laws have failed you
 
Briarios said:
I'm also against the destruction of property. Not only does this play into the hands of the alt-right about the counter-protesters being the aggressors and breaking the law, it goes far beyond civil disobedience.
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This plays right into the alt-rights hands that tearing down a statue paints us as aggressors?

They literally murdered someone last weekend.
 
Briarios said:
Hardly. Just because one side is obviously evil, and the other side I support -- I'm not going to support inappropriate actions. It's all about the motivation to destroy, and it's just not all that different.
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20th century civil war statue =/= ancient millennia old artifacts

Religious zealots =/= people angry at symbols of slavery of their race
 
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