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[Takao]

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

That's nice, but can you use those SDHC cards on the PlayStation Vita? No. So they're not relevant. I can buy portable hard-drives for $150 that can have 500GB+ of storage. But that shit means nothing here.

Sony has seen Apple makes loads off of scamming people with proprietary accessories. They're emulating that. Heck, next people will complain that the Vita doesn't use Mini-USB like PSP, but rather a PSPgo like USB cable.

 

[Apath]

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

Perception of value varies. For me, if the Vita were announced to cost $250 for the standard Wi-Fi model and $300 with one that includes 16GB of storage, I'd go with the latter. For that reason $50 for 16GB seems reasonable to me. Of course it's not ideal, but it's a price to pay for a cheap price point on a closed system.

I'd also expect to upgrade after a few years when prices go down.

 

[Fafalada]

Performing as good as class 10 is supposed to, consistently, would be an improvement.

Actually to be entirely fair - if you buy SanDisk products, their Class2 will outperform (by considerable margin) Class6 products from other makers. That said, the debate is moot - Vita cards are roughly the same size as Micros, so no adapters.

 

[Raistlin]

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

How about comparing apples to apples?

 

[King Cobra]

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

Yeah yeah, and you can get a 1tb external hdd for $75. But you see there is a rule on technology, if it performs better, and is smaller, it will cost more. The only thing that can compare to those cards shown in size factor are microsd cards.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Actually to be entirely fair - if you buy SanDisk products, their Class2 will outperform (by considerable margin) Class6 products from other makers.

And their class 10 stuff is usually pretty consistent at staying near the proper speeds.

 

[Huff]

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

Because I'm not unreasonable.

 

[Raistlin]

Actually to be entirely fair - if you buy SanDisk products, their Class2 will outperform (by considerable margin) Class6 products from other makers. That said, the debate is moot - Vita cards are roughly the same size as Micros, so no adapters.

That's my point. For people throwing out prices, they need to consider the form-factor (micro), actual sustainable read/write speeds, and reliability.

 

[Izayoi]

That's nice, but can you use those SDHC cards on the PlayStation Vita? No. So they're not relevant. I can buy portable hard-drives for $150 that can have 500GB+ of storage. But that shit means nothing here.

So I'm just supposed to be okay with that?

How about comparing apples to apples?

Uh...

Yeah yeah, and you can get a 1tb external hdd for $75. But you see there is a rule on technology, if it performs better, and is smaller, it will cost more. The only thing that can compare to those cards shown in size factor are microsd cards.

Oh... kay? You can get a MicroSD card that's the same size for literally two dollars more.

Because I'm not unreasonable.

So then reasonable in this case is being cool with a company blatantly and shamelessly ripping you off?

 

[Raistlin]

smh

 

[King Cobra]

Oh... kay? You can get a MicroSD card that's the same size for literally two dollars more.

And with what write and read rate? A class 10 microsd card has "decent" transfer rates and cost around $85 for a 32gb model. Now unless these new sony cards have worse performance there is no reason for you to be having an episode if sony prices the 32gb model at $99. You know there are times where you actually get for what you pay for.

 

[outunderthestars]

So then reasonable in this case is being cool with a company blatantly and shamelessly ripping you off?

Personally I'd be more concerned with Nintendo selling you Steel Diver for the same price that Sony is selling you Uncharted. Or porting N64 games and charging $40 for them. But that's just me. I guess you plan on buying more memory cards than games.....

We don't know what the pricing on the cards are yet, so there is no point in throwing a hissyfit about the matter.

You only need to buy one card, so in the end does it really matter if it costs $30 more than you'd like it to?

 

[obonicus]

No evidence yet if Sony will even license these out to anyone.

Not incredibly optimistic, but here's hoping they do.

 

[Takao]

So I'm just supposed to be okay with that?

You don't have to be. Retail is still an option, and you don't need a memory card for save data or DLC there. If you want to buy PSN-only games, then buy a memory stick within the size requirements for those games.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Will buy the 16GB version if it's $50 or less.

seems decent enough.


This is the last thing i want to know before i decide to buy. (Unit Price - check, Game Price - looks to be checked)

 

[Huff]

So then reasonable in this case is being cool with a company blatantly and shamelessly ripping you off?

Lol, I haven't even bought anything yet. And we don't know prices. Nor know if they are going to rip us off.

But a microSD card and a SD card will not only be different in sizes, but also in prices. And a high quality card will also be more expensive. Who'da thought? Thats why you comparison didn't make sense.

 

[Nome]

Meh. I'll probably just buy some knockoffs from dealextreme.com or some other cheap Chinese/HK online retailer. I did that for their Pro Duos with my Sony Ericsson phone.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Considering how well priced the Vita is than expected, I'll probably have no real issue buying these cards.

 

[Key2001]

Well, aren't some 32 GB SDHC cards up in the $100 range for class 10 speeds MSRP wise?

The prices on SanDisks website is the MSRP for their cards correct? If so I believe the SanDisk 32GB class 2 SDHC card has a MSRP of over $100, the 16GB version has a MSRP of over $60.

Just as with every other memory stick and brand I expect the MSRP for these to be expensive when Sony announces them and I can only imagine what it is going to be like when they do despite the fact they won't cost near the MSRP.

 

[Takao]

Meh. I'll probably just buy some knockoffs from dealextreme.com or some other cheap Chinese/HK online retailer. I did that for their Pro Duos with my Sony Ericsson phone.

That shit gonna be ssssssssssssssllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww.

 

[Izayoi]

smh

Yeah, shake my head at your incredibly witty retort. Well done. Take the time to write a proper response, maybe?

And with what write and read rate? A class 10 microsd card has "decent" transfer rates and cost around $85 for a 32gb model. Now unless these new sony cards have worse performance there is no reason for you to be having an episode if sony prices the 32gb model at $99. You know there are times where you actually get for what you pay for.

I really doubt that Sony is going to offer anything near class 10 speed on these, but I guess we'll see.

Personally I'd be more concerned with Nintendo selling you Steel Diver for the same price that Sony is selling you Uncharted. Or porting N64 games and charging $40 for them. But that's just me. I guess you plan on buying more memory cards than games.....

We don't know what the pricing on the cards are yet, so there is no point in throwing a hissyfit about the matter.

You only need to buy one card, so in the end does it really matter if it costs $30 more than you'd like it to?

Right, because I bought Steel Driver.

Yes it does matter, because I don't own a PSP and will be buying a lot of games off of PSN. If I'm going to have to buy a bunch of overpriced memory I'm going to be a very unhappy camper.

You don't have to be. Retail is still an option, and you don't need a memory card for save data or DLC there. If you want to buy PSN-only games, then buy a memory stick within the size requirements for those games.

I never owned a PSP, which means I missed out on tons of great games. Unfortunately for me that means that retail isn't a viable option, because there's no UMD support.

But a microSD card and a SD card will not only be different in sizes, but also in prices. And a high quality card will also be more expensive. Who'da thought? Thats why you comparison didn't make sense.

I find it highly unlikely that Sony will offer decent speeds for a reasonable price. If that were the case why would they not offer a format that allows competition? If they're trying to reduce or stop piracy they're delaying the inevitable and legitimate consumers are going to get fucked over as a result.

 

[King Cobra]

Personally I think this will be the price point(s)

 

[Gravijah]

360 HDDs part 2.

Personally I'd be more concerned with Nintendo selling you Steel Diver for the same price that Sony is selling you Uncharted. Or porting N64 games and charging $40 for them. But that's just me. I guess you plan on buying more memory cards than games.....

I'm more concerned Sony is selling Uncharted at the same price as Wipeout. One is going to be the game to get for the Vita, the other... Uncharted.

 

[outunderthestars]

Y

Yes it does matter, because I don't own a PSP and will be buying a lot of games off of PSN. If I'm going to have to buy a bunch of overpriced memory I'm going to be a very unhappy camper.

Nobody is forcing you to keep all of your content on your memory card at all times. Buy a cheaper 16GB card, which should hold 10-20 games, possibly more if you're buying alot of psp games.

King Cobra, my bet on the memory:

4GB: $25
8GB: $40
16GB: $60
32GB: $100

 

[Huff]

I find it highly unlikely that Sony will offer decent speeds for a reasonable price. If that were the case why would they not offer a format that allows competition? If they're trying to reduce or stop piracy they're delaying the inevitable and legitimate consumers are going to get fucked over for it.

Because Sony is a company that doesn't always go with better tech? And this time around seems conscious of the market and pricing...

You can have competitive prices without having direct competition.

You are blaming Sony for their customers inevitably getting fucked over if hackers attack them again? Blaming Sony for trying to protect their system from piracy? Okay lol

 

[Alexios]

Vita price announced: everyone rejoices.

Potential for price gouging appears worrying: people call you a Nintendo lover who enjoys paying $40 for ports (it's a remake, ignoramus, the port is $10 on VC).

Gottta love you guys, nope, not fanboyish at all.

Of course it's not confirmed. People are worried, that is all.

And yes, the price matters even if it's one time (not that wanting to have a second or third is out of the question). That's why people were hyped after Vita's price announcement.

 

[King Cobra]

I really doubt that Sony is going to offer anything near class 10 speed on these, but I guess we'll see.

You really like talking out of your booty huh? Their pro duo psp cards from 5 years ago are faster than class 10 micro sd cards of today.

 

[Gravijah]

King Cobra, my bet on the memory:

4GB: $25
8GB: $40
16GB: $60
32GB: $100

I am going to pray hard tonight that you are wrong.

 

[Huff]

I am going to pray hard tonight that you are wrong.

You should rather pray for microSD tech to improve rapidly in the next 6-9 months

 

[Gravijah]

You should rather pray for microSD tech to improve rapidly in the next 6-9 months

I guess I'll be praying a lot tonight.

 

[Izayoi]

You are blaming Sony for their customers inevitably getting fucked over if hackers attack them again? Blaming Sony for trying to protect their system from piracy? Okay lol

Do you buy GFWL games? Ubisoft games for the PC? It's the same bullshit. Legitimate customers getting fucked over by absolutely ridiculous anti-piracy measures.

You really like talking out of your booty huh? Their pro duo psp cards from 5 years ago are faster than class 10 micro sd cards of today.

Actually I'm not, because while yes, they're faster, they're also far more expensive.

 

[outunderthestars]

I am going to pray hard tonight that you are wrong.

32GB high speed micro sd cards currently sell for $80 - $90 at most retail stores. I'd estimate a 10 - 20% drop in the 6-9 months between now and the Vita launch, then the normal 25% Sony price premium and you're looking right at $100.

 

[King Cobra]

Actually I'm not, because while yes, they're faster, they're also far more expensive.

So you're in shock that something that is better and newer, is also more expensive?


ps. Drew from Wii60. I expected as much lol

32GB high speed micro sd cards currently sell for $80 - $90 at most retail stores. I'd estimate a 10 - 20% drop in the 6-9 months between now and the Vita launch, then the normal 25% Sony price premium and you're looking right at $100.

I seen them for 130 at best buy. I think they are only 80-90 online at amazon.

 

[Alexios]

32GB high speed micro sd cards currently sell for $80 - $90 at most retail stores. I'd estimate a 10 - 20% drop in the 6-9 months between now and the Vita launch, then the normal 25% Sony price premium and you're looking right at $100.

At least with SD you always have the option of a couple extra seconds of loading for a significantly lower price. Granted, if games are done as sloppy as that PSP WWF game you'd probably not want to add to that, but I'd hope developers code their shit right rather than expect the hardware to fix their shit. You can't have too little loading anyway.

 

[Raistlin]

Yeah, shake my head at your incredibly witty retort. Well done. Take the time to write a proper response, maybe?

So let me get this straight. I asked you to compare apples to apples - which you most certainly weren't - and your response was the incredibly witty "Uh...". And now you're accusing me of failing to string together a proper response?


Can I retract my "smh" and replace it with "lol" please?

 

[Izayoi]

So you're in shock that something that is better and newer, is also more expensive?

Did I ever state I was in shock? All I said was that it was more expensive.

So let me get this straight. I asked you to compare apples to apples - which you most certainly weren't - and your response was the incredibly witty "Uh...". And now you're accusing me of failing to string together a proper response?

Can I retract my "smh" and replace it with "lol" please?

What was I supposed to say to your "apples to apples" comment? What do you want me to compare, exactly?

 

[Huff]

Do you buy GFWL games? Ubisoft games for the PC? It's the same bullshit. Legitimate customers getting fucked over by absolutely ridiculous anti-piracy measures.

You certainly do like your apples and oranges.

 

[King Cobra]

Did I ever state I was in shock? All I said was that it was more expensive.

And in other news, technology that is better and newer is also more expensive, now back to you Drew.

 

[mattiewheels]

I know MemorySticks are overpriced, but what kind of nerve would Sony have to price these higher? There's absolutely no reason to with the public's accepted perception of the drop in flash memory.

 

[jaydogg691]

Got an email from GameStop and reminded me of this thread.

Come on guys, it won't be that bad.

 

[gutter_trash]

I am going on the "wait & see" camp... to see how much these M2 cards will be priced on launch vs the size of the games via digital download from the PSN Store

I really like my PSP GO... all these games on the Go and no UMD fumbling on the plane

 

[Fafalada]

4GB: $25
8GB: $40
16GB: $60
32GB: $100

I'm thinking similar - they are most likely going to position 8GB as the "standard" memory card (and 40$ has been the usual price-point for those with consoles for the last 10-15 years). The rest of pricing is just how they position the other capacities, and 32GB being the "high-end" premium, it sounds about right (that is, if they will make it available for launch at all).

Personally I'm wondering how big Vita games really will be. For people that have limited or no interest in buying them retail like myself, the capacity could become an issue even with 32GB, pricing aside.

 

[hamchan]

People are saying they'll make their money by overpricing these memory cards but maybe they'll price these reasonably and make their money by users buying a shitload of content off the PSN store? We'll see I guess.

 

[Gravijah]

I wonder how big games like Wipeout & Uncharted are going to be. At that price, I'll be waiting a few years for a high capacity card.

 

[Izayoi]

You certainly do like your apples and oranges.

Overbearing anti-piracy is overbearing anti-piracy. I don't see what the problem is comparing one type of overbearing anti-piracy to another is?

And in other news, technology that is better and newer is also more expensive, now back to you Drew.

This just in, statements no longer allowed on the internet. Ridiculous hyperbole only.

 

[davepoobond]

it would be in their interest to price these reasonably since technically the more space you have the more tendency you have to buy something online.

 

[Huff]

I wonder how big games like Wipeout & Uncharted are going to be. At that price, I'll be waiting a few years for a high capacity card.

Going to buy them on actual media, since I dont want to take up too much room on my 8 - 16 GB card. Save that for other shit

Overbearing anti-piracy is overbearing anti-piracy. I don't see what the problem is comparing one type of overbearing anti-piracy to another is?

It's about the same as earlier when you compared too different forms of data storage as the same.

 

[King Cobra]

I wonder how big games like Wipeout & Uncharted are going to be. At that price, I'll be waiting a few years for a high capacity card.

I would say 2gb for uncharted. Crisis Core, arguably the best looking game on the PSP is 1gb

This just in, statements no longer allowed on the internet. Ridiculous hyperbole only.

How on earth is that reasonable? You can get a 16GB SD card for under $20. Hell, you can get a 32GB one for around $40!

This my friend was not just a statement. This was you having an episode.

 

[outunderthestars]

Overbearing anti-piracy is overbearing anti-piracy. I don't see what the problem is comparing one type of overbearing anti-piracy to another is?


This just in, statements no longer allowed on the internet. Ridiculous hyperbole only.

Oh the irony of you complaining about ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[Izayoi]

Oh the irony of you complaining about ridiculous hyperbole.

I wasn't even complaining about hyperbole. What in the fuck?