See there is still a if there and even then how many are going to run out and buy the Vita at it's current price for that? I understand the incentive there for people who own a Vita now but for new people?
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PS Vita - Now vs. 1 year ago - Has Sony turned it around?
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See there is still a if there and even then how many are going to run out and buy the Vita at it's current price for that? I understand the incentive there for people who own a Vita now but for new people?
Senor Kami
Banned
It's gotten better but it's nowhere close to being a turnaround.
Then you might want to tell Sony to update their PS4 features page. "With the PS Vita system, gamers will be able to play a range of PS4™ titles on the beautiful 5-inch display over Wi-Fi access points in a local area network."
I think it'll turn around pretty soon in Japan. The rest of the world, forget about it.
I bought a Vita through the Walmart deal about a month ago and have barely touched it, although I'm admittedly waiting until closer to the PS4 launch to activate my PS+ subscription. Should get more use then.
I bought a Vita through the Walmart deal about a month ago and have barely touched it, although I'm admittedly waiting until closer to the PS4 launch to activate my PS+ subscription. Should get more use then.
To me, the difference between Wii U and Vita is simple: Wii U still has lots of Nintendo support and they are doing their best to provide AAA games on the console. Vita, on the other hand, is being sold by Sony as a $250 (?) accessory to a $400 console, and has little to no AAA games on it.
One is dead-er than the other one, at least to my eyes.
One is dead-er than the other one, at least to my eyes.
kitchenmotors
Banned
I bought Vita day one and it hasn't really lived up to the hype for me. I love Sony first party and mainly got it to be a Wipeout machine, but haven't really bought a game in months. Almost a year if you count retail. I don't care much for the indies that have been out on the Vita, nor do I care for Sony's so-so first party support. It still pales in comparison to the kind of support Nintendo throws at the 3DS.
Vita should have been a PSP 2 but instead we got a misguided mess that is half-baked.
It will be kind of hilarious if the Vita is resurrected in the land of the handhelds by turning it into a tiny home console.
The strategy has failed before, but with general impressions so far of Remote Play and having it mandatory for all non-move titles makes me a little more optimistic. A guy comes over to a buddy's house sees him playing Blops 3 (or whatever is the hot game at the moment) on his Vita with no obvious drawback to gameplay/graphics than on the PS4, I'm willing to bet he would be more interested in purchasing one for himself.
Fess
Member
Pretty much. The problem as far as I'm concerned is neither the price or the quality of the games. There is simply not enough games out and on the horizon to make it interesting for anyone besides portable tech enthusiasts. I've had it since Day 1 but I often forget even owning it and it's even less popular on store shelves than WiiU with barely any shelf space at all. I don't know what Sony should do to save it, maybe bundle it with PS4 or something like that.
Oh hey bro, let me just go and drop $200 to play blops on the screen next to you.
Do you really think this scenario would happen? I'm being serious here.
GhostTrick
Banned
IMO, Vita's problem is that for some publishers, AA games or middle-budget games has disappeared. IIRC, Sony said they're now either making AAA games or small games. What Vita needs is exclusive and Sony has a lot of IPs they could bring back on Vita, like Ape Escape, Jak and Daxter, Legend of Dragoon, Folklore, Siren or Dark Cloud. They should just make it stand its own with its own games and IPs.
Relativ9
Member
Yeah, you're not using that correctly.
R_thanatos
Member
I've been happy with my vita purchase since day one and i'm still satisfied
It started as a $300 miniature PS3 and nobody cared, so now it's being repurposed as a slightly cheaper indie port machine and I don't see anyone caring about that either. We'll see if people care when it's repurposed again as a $200 PS4 peripheral.
A year ago, it had new, moderately-big-budget games coming out for it. Not any more.
A year ago, it had new, moderately-big-budget games coming out for it. Not any more.
timetokill
Banned
Cha
Member
*sigh* indeed. No wonder we needed a Remote play thread to clear things up for people.
Turned it around? No. Making some baby steps as progress? Sure.
I'm not really sure it will ever fully turn around. I certainly have loved my Vita and will use the hell out of the remote play. It is a feature I adore on the WiiU so I know it will make my Vita feel less left out.
If it were the only system or portable I had, I'd probably be pretty bummed about it... but it isn't and I'm not.
I'm not really sure it will ever fully turn around. I certainly have loved my Vita and will use the hell out of the remote play. It is a feature I adore on the WiiU so I know it will make my Vita feel less left out.
If it were the only system or portable I had, I'd probably be pretty bummed about it... but it isn't and I'm not.
BronsonLee
Member
I so don't want to jump into this derphouse, so I'll just make this point and bail:
...The fuck is Killzone Mercenary?
...The fuck is Killzone Mercenary?
The only thing Sony is really doing in terms of support is SS at this point so he's kinda right. Now it just looks like Sony is trying to cut their losses with LCD and Vita TV.
Still in the portable gaming ghetto.
sorry, couldn't resist
I'm sure you couldn't.
Couldn't resist.
ramoisdead
Member
Sales-wise? No. At least the joke about Vita has no games have come to a stop. Hopefully it becomes a companion for more people when they buy a PS4.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Doesn't seem to be working for the WiiU. People get intrigued by the idea but it's never been enough to convince them, and its more off putting when they have to factor in they need to buy a PS4 AND a Vita. Yeah people are getting the PS4 but I'd give it a year before Vita sales even see any rise from Remote Play just due to the fact people are going to want the PS4 first, plopping down an extra 200$ just to play "games on the go" is going to be a tough sell right away. To likely PS4 + Vita owners the matter of importance will probably go PS4 -> Games -> Then the Vita. And honestly theres not going to be that many people willing to put down 600+ 700+ dollars right away.
And like you said, they tried this before. The general public probably didn't even know PS3/Vita remote play didn't work well but despite that remote play had heavy advertising behind it and it still didnt shift any units even with a 70mil+ install base already. They tried selling the Vita as a portable PS3, now its a portable PS4. If 70mil people didn't bite then what would possibly change their mind now?
using proprietary memory cards that are insanely priced and lack of unique non-console experiences mean that i don't really want one.
uncharted? i can play that on ps3
killzone? can play that on ps3 as well
dragon's crown? rather play on ps3
if i used public transportation a lot it might be a different story, but i drive to work. most of my playtime would be on a plane or at home. if i'm at home i'd rather play pc or console, and i'm on a plane pretty often but i am pretty used to reading on the plane anyway.
there are three games i would buy for vita and they are gravity rush, velocity ultra, and soul sacrifice. maybe djmax as a fourth. if i didn't already play it on 3DS i would also get VLR. the vita gets up to 10+ games i want, and the memory cards get significantly cheaper, i would buy one.
uncharted? i can play that on ps3
killzone? can play that on ps3 as well
dragon's crown? rather play on ps3
if i used public transportation a lot it might be a different story, but i drive to work. most of my playtime would be on a plane or at home. if i'm at home i'd rather play pc or console, and i'm on a plane pretty often but i am pretty used to reading on the plane anyway.
there are three games i would buy for vita and they are gravity rush, velocity ultra, and soul sacrifice. maybe djmax as a fourth. if i didn't already play it on 3DS i would also get VLR. the vita gets up to 10+ games i want, and the memory cards get significantly cheaper, i would buy one.
Every non-dead system gets progressively better over time, as new software is released and the hardware gets revised or becomes cheaper. In the Vita's case, it has only rotated by a few degrees - still far from 'turning around' - but it is definitely improving. Its time is not yet, but I'm sure I'll pick one up eventually.
Sales wise? Absolutely not
Game wise? Thats mostly subjective, up for you to decide. For me personally: No. Getting Borderlands 2 is a nice thing, too bad they dont have Diablo 3 and Gran Turismo Portable 2 or 6 on it.
The handheld still has one foot in the grave much like Wii U, the 2 latest pieces hardware have both performed abysmally, worse than even the most pessimistic of predictions.
Game wise? Thats mostly subjective, up for you to decide. For me personally: No. Getting Borderlands 2 is a nice thing, too bad they dont have Diablo 3 and Gran Turismo Portable 2 or 6 on it.
The handheld still has one foot in the grave much like Wii U, the 2 latest pieces hardware have both performed abysmally, worse than even the most pessimistic of predictions.
.........yes? My point is if Remote Play works, word of mouth will help Vita's sales. Some of the most successful products are things that people don't realize they wanted. Remember when the Wii was announced? (not at all saying it will sell like the Wii) Once people see it in action, AND it works like advertised, it will sell systems.
And I dunno, if people paid 100 bucks just for the ability to play their 360 wirelessly, paying 200 for a whole other system with the ability to play all their PS4 games on top of all their stockpiled Vita collection (if they have PS+ and claim the Vita titles of course) sure I can see a good amount of people be more interested in the Vita.
This is sad because both are really nice pieces of hardware for different reasons. But in the end it really, really doesn't matter without games.
And you know what I mean by "without games", WiiU/Vita people.
I never said history would repeat itself. I'm saying you can't just count the Vita out just because it has performed poorly thus far. It's still too early. I don't know how you're going to say it's not going to happen. This isn't a thread about the Vita beating the 3DS for one.
Strive how? as a companion device to the PS4? That's just a polite way of calling the thing dead.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Works exactly like WiiU, word of mouth hasn't helped that system either. People are just now realizing Off-TV play is amazing and its still not boosting sales. People have been talking about WiiU's Off TV play since it released and nada. Lets face it, the end all be all for systems to sell is games. And the Vita just doesn't have the games the general public wants. Remote Play will be a niche at best and would definitely have its audience but honestly how any times, on NeoGaf alone, do you see "Why would I play on a tiny ass screen when I can play on my big ass TV?"
No. it hasn't been turned around. Its still selling badly. But its still an amazing handheld with a great library and not nearly enough big exclusive games.
I want Sony to put more effort into big budget first party exclusives. Look at Wii U. Horrible sales and PLENTY of big budget first party exclusives coming.
I want Sony to put more effort into big budget first party exclusives. Look at Wii U. Horrible sales and PLENTY of big budget first party exclusives coming.
kobashi100
Banned
will the customer spend $200 towards PS4 games, or other console games for that matter as they may have multiple machines or $200 on a PS4 peripheral.
Pretty confident that Video Games will be the winner here.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I think it's gotten worse. Killzone is Meh, hopefully Teraway is good. Where are the exclusives? PC/PS3 ports are not reason to own the handheld.
Well there are going to be millions more PS4s than WiiUs in people's houses. Just because it didn't boost sales on one machine doesn't mean it won't on another. I wasn't on Neogaf at the time, but I also remember a lot of people saying "Why should I buy a HDTV, my current TV looks fine now" in other forums.
kobashi100
Banned
Okay lets forget the 3DS even exists. I am still telling you that this big turn around that your hoping for is not gonna happen.
Software sells games. Can you honestly see Vita having a string of system selling games in 2014?
You remind of this guy: Sony's Fergal Gara,
Yeah it had its christmas and it got worse!
cj_iwakura
Member
Definitely picking up steam with the indie titles and stuff like Deception & Ys IV on the way. It'll prove just as good as the PSP before long.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Really? Can I borrow your time machine please. I'd love to visit the future.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
No, dedicated handheld devices are niche these days.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
But Sony's first party support for their handheld devices has always been lack luster. They never put their best teams to work on them. I think PD was the only first party developer to develop a portable game, all other BIG first party studios always had minor studios working on the title.
Sony handhelds (as well as consoles) are too dependent on third party games and publishers, the same that didn't release nothing of worth on Vita's first 2 years. 3DS faced the same problems, yet Nintendo turned the tables by making handheld exclusive games with the teams that did their best games for the Wii and gaining an install base that third party developers couldn't ignore. Also they did an earlier price cut that Sony took year and half of lack luster sales in making.
Sorry I love Sony's first party games, but Vita isn't getting any love from Sony at all and indie games that are available on PC aren't a selling point at all.
I own one for remote play, and Sony has limited my interest in buying me titles for it because of the memory card prices. Even if it is great for remote play developer support they lost isn't coming back.
Sure remote play might move some consoles (got mine on craigslist) but what then? Or do we think Sony is content at this point with a handheld with a minimal attach rate used primarily as a PS4 accessory?