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[VanMardigan]

The first PlayStation product without backwards compatibility and the people complaining are being called "the usual suspects"? Please, this sucks, and shouldn't be candy covered. Yes, we all want a cheaper Ps3, but not a gimped one. Everyone hates the 360 tard, don't they?

 

[Fatghost]

I'm sorry that your TV has a poor scaler.

Most PS2 games have a strange resolution. No fixed pixel display will scale it nicely.

Lag? what the hell does that mean?

PS3 adds 2 frames of lag to all PS2 games.

 

[nofi]

Probably old but I am going to post it here anyway:

40GB PS3 at Best Buy WITH Spider Man 3 Blu-Ray:

GOD HELP ME.

 

[Naked Snake]

Probably old but I am going to post it here anyway:

40GB PS3 at Best Buy WITH Spider Man 3 Blu-Ray:

I can't see the image, how much is the price?

 

[_Angelus_]

Anyone notice how amongst the Sony fans BC in now "something nice but not a requirement" and "just keep your PS2, it's best for PS2 games anyway" when last year all we heard was the crowing about full BC and how shitty the X360 BC was? Yeah, there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around for all, friend.

Indeed. Fortified Concept doesn't need to finger point at anybody when most of this board were going the other way by damning the 360's bc just 2 years ago. You simply don't forget those wars by sweeping it under the rug,people have memories no matter what some try to spin.

 

[RogueHobbit]

Wifi is still in.
No comments on HDMI.
Folks are saying BC is out.

Doesn't HDMI have to stay in due to the Blu-Ray? I thought that because of HDCP, HD movies will be downgraded to 480p if not played over an HDMI connection.

 

[Dragon]

Doesn't HDMI have to stay in due to the Blu-Ray? I thought that because of HDCP, HD movies will be downgraded to 480p if not played over an HDMI connection.

They have to set a flag to do that (I think it's 540p or something too), and it's studio based. As of now I haven't heard of a single title that does this. So component will work. But not having HDMI in the PS3 is ridiculous anyway (for uncompressed sound, and better picture).

 

[Loudninja]

Nothing is confirmed by Sony

 

[angelfly]

I can't see the image, how much is the price?

$399

 

[tehbear]

No BC does suck. Let see the market totally not care though.

 

[VanMardigan]

No BC does suck. Let see the market totally not care though.

Agreed. But for those of us who care......................

At least for me (having never owned a Ps2), it's a dealbreaker if true.

 

[Holtz]

believe me the new ones have BCas wel, i know it from first hand, kinda

DETAILS NOW!

 

[MoxManiac]

PS3 adds 2 frames of lag to all PS2 games.

Never knew that. Is that only when it's being upscaled? Does this apply to all PS3s? (i.e. the EE equipped ones)

 

[Arkham]

Probably old but I am going to post it here anyway:

40GB PS3 at Best Buy WITH Spider Man 3 Blu-Ray:

Yep, old, but everytime I see that I wonder if it's going to be tarded by the inclusion of the SM3 game, not the movie.

 

[Dahbomb]

I can't see the image, how much is the price?

It's $399 on Current Sell and Regular Retail.

 

[spwolf]

in light of recent speculations, will 40 GB be able to show pictures? What about surfing the web?

 

[Tobor]

BC is on a sliding scale of importance, that by the second year of release usually falls almost to 0.

Does Sony have enough good games released to slide that scale? That's the question.

 

[Fatghost]

Never knew that. Is that only when it's being upscaled? Does this apply to all PS3s? (i.e. the EE equipped ones)

Applies to all PS3s, and happens whether upscaling/smoothing is turned on or not. I can't remember the reason why it does, but it does.

 

[Y2Kev]

What if they do BC on the high end and no bc on the low end?

 

[Kunan]

The best part is Sony criticized Microsoft's multi-SKU strategy before launch..

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I guess they are really trying to gimp this model so that it could convince hardcore gamers to shell out extra money on the higher end model, while keeping the price low so that they could say the lowered the price to $399.

Honestly it is strange, how much does backwards compatibility and HDMI add to the total cost that they could justifiably remove it?

 

[Fatghost]

Yep, old, but everytime I see that I wonder if it's going to be tarded by the inclusion of the SM3 game, not the movie.

As shitty as SM3 the game on PS3 was, surely the movie is more shitty? And surely it would be better to get a game packed in than a movie?

So why would it be tarded if the game was packed in? (it's going to be the movie, but I'm curious why you think a free game would be less desireable than a free movie)?

 

[M°°nblade]

No BC does suck. Let see the market totally not care though.

Why would the 40GB PS3 not be able to run PS2 games?
It doesn't cost sony anything.

 

[InterMoniker]

Big Fucking Bang Bitches!

I'm glad I already have my 60gb with good backwards compatibility. I hope these new models have good BC for all the new potential buyers.

Euro Doggystyle Edition? WTF? :lol

 

[Dragon]

The best part is Sony criticized Microsoft's multi-SKU strategy before launch..

The best part is Sony is lowering the entry price point for the PS3.

 

[Router]

Nothing is confirmed by Sony

Yeah, It often takes days, weeks, months for Sony to confirm what we already know.

 

[MoxManiac]

Applies to all PS3s, and happens whether upscaling/smoothing is turned on or not. I can't remember the reason why it does, but it does.

I'm assuming you have experience with this; how noticable is it?

My PS3 is jacked into a SDTV through component and obviously outputting a 480i signal, so i doesn't apply to me at the moment, right?

 

[Scotch]

I haven't been following this thread that closely, but wouldn't this sku still have software BC, or are they removing that as well?

 

[Fatghost]

Why would the 40GB PS3 not be able to run PS2 games?
It doesn't cost sony anything.

Costs Sony probably 25 dollars a unit in current 80 GB PS3s.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Yeah, It often takes days, weeks, months for Sony to confirm what we already know.

Not to mention that there is no reason for them to lose potential sales by saying there is a lower priced model to be released.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I haven't been following this thread that closely, but wouldn't this sku still have software BC, or are they removing that as well?

The time it took me to respond to this, you could know by reading a page or two. It is still speculative.

 

[Lionheart]

Wait, so what I gather from these rumors now is that Sony Europe is now clearing out 60 GB PS3s and that soon even the 60 GB PS3's in the Starter Pack will be replaced with 40 GB ones? So will there be any models with PS2 B/C still in there? :S

 

[angelfly]

I was hoping the 12th would be the official announcement but Sony has said they have nothing planned next week.

 

[open_mouth_]

this is the right thing to do for sony to ensure the ps3's survival in the world market and to put themselves in a position to possibly catch the 360 by the end of this cycle, even if it means cutting out wifi, BC, whatever. I'm wondering if Microsoft will counter by black friday with a $249 core "arcade" pack, $329 premium and $379 elite.

And don't be surprised if Microsoft and the Xbots spread FUD and come up with a nice nickname for this new $399 gimped PS3. :lol

 

[M°°nblade]

Costs Sony probably 25 dollars a unit in current 80 GB PS3s.

Hmm I see. If they plan of using different batches of firmwire updates for different SKU's in the same region that sucks.
Also, by doing that they cut into potential PS2 software sales because 40GB owners can't play them on their PS3.

 

[antiloop]

The best part is Sony criticized Microsoft's multi-SKU strategy before launch..

But there is a difference. You can play all PS3 games on all PS3s.

40 GB with spiderman 3 Blu-ray for under €400 would be awesome here in Europe.

 

[bigswords]

No BC does suck. Let see the market totally not care though.

Is it confirmed yet? I mean the hardware parts are removed but doesn't mean that it can't do software emu.

Anyways the worst rumor is the removal of the HDMI port which is totally insane if Sony did it.

 

[Tobor]

But there is a difference. You can play all PS3 games on all PS3s.

And you can play any 360 game on any 360. You may need an accessory, but the option is there.

 

[twinturbo2]

And you can play any 360 game on any 360. You may need an accessory, but the option is there.

I thought that FFXI and Football Manager needed the HDD...

 

[antiloop]

And you can play any 360 game on any 360. You may need an accessory, but the option is there.

But that's what shouldn't be needed according to MS before launch. So there is no case, because both Sony and MS are telling lies and fairytales!

Spoiler

Nintendo is the saint this generation

 

[Fatghost]

I'm assuming you have experience with this; how noticable is it?

My PS3 is jacked into a SDTV through component and obviously outputting a 480i signal, so i doesn't apply to me at the moment, right?

I think you get lag at any resolution. I'll have to dig up the old threads.

Anyway, how noticeable is it? Not very. 2 frames of lag, always and consistent. I don't notice it in Third Strike, but I may have just adjusted. I play Third Strike on my PC, PS3 and X360 all the time, and each has slightly different timing (PS2 was slightly faster than arcade, Xbox was slightly faster than PS2) so I might just be used to it now.

 

[Elios83]

Is it confirmed yet? I mean the hardware parts are removed but doesn't mean that it can't do software emu.

Anyways the worst rumor is the removal of the HDMI port which is totally insane if Sony did it.

HDMI will be there (and people shouldn't even doubt it, they put it last year on the 20GB model even if they weren't planning to, moreover it's very important for BR playback).
BC won't be there at day one (software emulator upcoming).

 

[SRG01]

I was hoping the 12th would be the official announcement but Sony has said they have nothing planned next week.

The announcement is this friday. It was said in the previous pages.

 

[Dahbomb]

And you can play any 360 game on any 360. You may need an accessory, but the option is there.

:lol

Wouldn't you just be better off buying the other 360 version with the accessory built in?

 

[Zombie James]

The announcement is this friday.

Oh snap.

 

[calder]

If there is no PS2 BC at all on the 40gigs, it'll pretty much sign the death-knell of hardware BC moving forwards. And really, while ppl bitch about it there's really no one to blame if next gen there is no BC at all - the market has pretty soundly proclaimed a collective indifference to it as a feature. Not to mention we've shown a funny willingness to rebuy old games we already own digitally to play on new systems. I know I have bought at least 2 games I already own for PSX over PSN (I know for a fact my C:SotN disc is still playable), and the lack of any noticeable impact to MS over the 360s lack of meaningful BC was a pretty broad indicator.

 

[tanod]

:lol

Wouldn't you just be better off buying the other 360 version with the accessory built in?

Did you know you can buy an "accessory" for PS2 BC on the new 40GB model too. They call it a PStwo.

 

[bigswords]

HDMI will be there (and people shouldn't even doubt it, they put it last year on the 20GB model even if they weren't planning to, moreover it's very important for BR playback).
BC won't be there at day one (software emulator upcoming).

That's fine then, as long as there's some sort of emulation. Did the Europe version of the 60 GB PS3 sold for 600 Euros (damn that's disgusting). It should attract more people to the PS3, some rich casuals, people who like hardcore games but do not like what the 360 has to offer etc...

 

[Panajev2001a]

If there is no PS2 BC at all on the 40gigs, it'll pretty much sign the death-knell of hardware BC moving forwards. And really, while ppl bitch about it there's really no one to blame if next gen there is no BC at all - the market has pretty soundly proclaimed a collective indifference to it as a feature. Not to mention we've shown a funny willingness to rebuy old games we already own digitally to play on new systems. I know I have bought at least 2 games I already own for PSX over PSN (I know for a fact my C:SotN disc is still playable), and the lack of any noticeable impact to MS over the 360s lack of meaningful BC was a pretty broad indicator.

All in all it should not be a problem, I am quite sure PS4 is being designed to have full software emulators for PS1 and PS2 as well as PS3: actually I think that they might be trying to get PS3 code running natively without re-compilation: I think that having a CELLv2 architecture "extending" the CBEA ISA + a nVIDIA GPU would allow the former and if there were particular features found in RSX that they did not want to carry over to the new GPU they could emulate them in the new GPU translating the "unsupported" operations into supported ones with the driver (and they could do it with relative ease if they start with this idea in mind: just like how fixed-function T&L functionality is handled by Vertex Shader code nowadays).

I think that they will keep working on PS2 software compatibility for quite a bit longer: it is not to be excluded that 65 nm RSX might contain some optimizations/small fixes over its 90 nm self to help GS emulator writers.

 

[angelfly]

The announcement is this friday. It was said in the previous pages.

That's even better

If there is no PS2 BC at all on the 40gigs, it'll pretty much sign the death-knell of hardware BC moving forwards. And really, while ppl bitch about it there's really no one to blame if next gen there is no BC at all - the market has pretty soundly proclaimed a collective indifference to it as a feature. Not to mention we've shown a funny willingness to rebuy old games we already own digitally to play on new systems. I know I have bought at least 2 games I already own for PSX over PSN (I know for a fact my C:SotN disc is still playable), and the lack of any noticeable impact to MS over the 360s lack of meaningful BC was a pretty broad indicator.

Well at least we can still count on Nintendo for still believing in BC.