Kung Fu Grip
Banned
Again: This means nothing. Not in Sony language.
You mean like the nothing that led up to this?
Why you still doubt this man?
Again: This means nothing. Not in Sony language.
You mean like the nothing that led up to this?
Why you still doubt this man?
--- has purchased "MALICIOUS (Full Game)" at the PlayStation®Plus discount price.
he means that Sony numbers their updates quite weirdly. The Vita update, for example was numbered at 4.0 even though the last update before it was 3.75.
May have important, under the hood changes.
Like printer support?
Settings changes
You can now set to obtain the correct date and time automatically when you sign in under [Settings] → [Date and Time Settings] → [Set Automatically].
Fixed the disappearing text bug with the [English (United Kingdom)] and [Portuguese (Brazil)] language settings.
Network changes
Add more features to support HTML 5 on the Internet Browser.
The display speed of the Internet Browser has been improved.
You can now share information about obtained PlayStation Plus discounts and downloads on Facebook.
PlayStation Network accounts are now referred to as Sony Entertainment Network accounts.
Has to be more substantial than that ! ^_^
All previous printer update only warranted minor revision increment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software
Btw, the 4.10 entry reads:
They forgot the in-browser XMB
Fixed the disappearing text bug with the [English (United Kingdom)] and [Portuguese (Brazil)] language settings.
XMB worked before when you were in the browser. :/
Eh? Really? Since when? Is my memory fooling me?
This.In browser xmb has worked for years.
Well maybe I'm mistaken then. I definitely remember seeing the red symbol appear when trying to use the XMB before, so I haven't tried it more recently.
Stupid mandatory update, I just wanted to check the SEN store :-/
The updates still take too long because they flash the whole firmware instead of patching it..
Stupid mandatory update, I just wanted to check the SEN store :-/
The updates still take too long because they flash the whole firmware instead of patching it..
There is no SEN store. It's the Playstation Store on the Playstation Network where you login with your SEN account.
Any other issues with the firmware guys? I seen a couple of people/websites complaining of issues/bugs with 4.10.
I remember both scenarios. Perhaps it's like this:
You could:
* Play music. Press PS button. Launch web browser.
At some point in time, you could not:
* While browsing. Press PS button.
Nothing happens. Had to press O to quit.
Now the browser is a full app. So pressing PS button launches in-game XMB as expected.
What I want to know is: in-game browser. e.g., Will PS Home use the new browser or the old one if they embed a HTML page in their home space.
my official sony 7,1 headset is acting strange after the update....I can hear all sounds that the mic catches.. me breathing.. me scratching beard.. everything.. it doesn`t even make a difference if you turn off the mic ....... it was not like this pre patch.
They forgot the in-browser XMB
Kind of like NBA-GAF, I never see them leave.He was born in that thread, matured to a member status in that thread, and I've yet to see him post outside ps3/console future concept threads.
Any other issues with the firmware guys? I seen a couple of people/websites complaining of issues/bugs with 4.10.
I'm loving this new browser, youtube loads instantly.
That's my memory (may be faulty also) One of the first things I checked was XMB while in the browser. Webkit is smaller/uses less memory than the Netfront browser and I would guess based on memory that the XMB did once then didn't support Music playing or XMB video clip/picture previews.I remember both scenarios. Perhaps it's like this:
You could:
* Play music. Press PS button. Launch web browser.
At some point in time, you could not:
* While browsing. Press PS button.
Nothing happens. Had to press O to quit.
Now the browser is a full app. So pressing PS button launches in-game XMB as expected.
What I want to know is: in-game browser. e.g., Will PS Home use the new browser or the old one if they embed a HTML page in their home space.
That's my memory (may be faulty also) One of the first things I checked was XMB while in the browser. Webkit is smaller/uses less memory than the Netfront browser and I would guess based on memory that the XMB did once then didn't support Music playing or XMB video clip/picture previews.
Saw on BY3D that you think Sony might not follow through on using Gnome software on the PS3 like they have with other platforms. You could be correct and I think the issue is security. Sony has a ton of money invested in the PS3 both in the Cell and in Software to use the Cell. It's their cash cow so to speak. I think the current implementation of the Webkit browser is not using OpenGL > cairoGL or glib > gstreamer & GTK toolkit because webkit can if using low level accelerated routines, give access to the OS. This is Microsoft's published reason for no WebGL support.
The current implementation of the PS3 browser is not OpenGL accelerated! CairoGL is not being used. Cairo-Pixman as in the combined library to support webkit is openGL accelerated, Pixman listed by it'self is apparently not accelerated and is using PPU code only (androvsky said "as expected") I didn't expect this so I hope he expands on this; it's not in the webkit disclosure or any on-line posts about webkit I have read.
This should not be about me, it's about Sony.....I started looking into what Sony might be doing (long term) because I couldn't understand why they were not providing applications on the PS3. Webkit requires support libraries that can also support applications.Jeffffffffffffffffffff, well done.
Don't need to, the Vita browser is nearly identical in function, same webkit2 core same level of toolkit API integration. Differences that might show up are Geolocation, Augmented Reality through the browser, Script to text and maybe some more later that I can't think of now.Don't give Jeff Rigby ideas to make a Vita browser thread.
Yeah, it's a known problem that they're looking into.
Don't need to, the Vita browser is nearly identical in function, same webkit2 core same level of toolkit API integration. Differences that might show up are Geolocation, Augmented Reality through the browser, Script to text and maybe some more later that I can't think of now.
Most of the core Vita applications are also going to show up on the PS3.
The current implementation of the PS3 browser is not OpenGL accelerated! ; CairoGL is not being used. Cairo-Pixman as in the combined library to support webkit is OpenGL accelerated, Pixman listed by it'self is apparently not accelerated and is using PPU code only (androvsky said "as expected") I didn't expect this so I hope he expands on this; it's not in the webkit disclosure or any on-line posts about webkit I have read.
I kinda think webkit on the PS3 using only one SPU is pretty fast for no OpenGL support. Imagine full GPU acceleration when we get the webkit2 OpenGL version.
Speculation: Netflix could use the IBM provided Openmax IL PPU codecs with Gstreamer GST-Openmax which would not require Gstreamer in the PS3. In this case if Sony PS3 disclosures are accurate, Sony is using the AVM+ Open Source (they can only use it for non-commercial applications) Adobe flash player to support DASH IPTV player functionality for Home. This would explain Sony not using IPTV for commercial use till either Gstreamer 1.0 is done, PROVED secure and they disclose it or they decide to pay Adobe for the commercial use of AVM+. My early speculation that Shifty objected to about the PS3 3.5 version number being the same as Adobe Flash server 3.5 version number and Sony using this AVM+ open source Adobe player software may have been accurate. That Sony has a DASH player as seen with Home on the PS3 but is not using it for commercial IPTV themselves makes me believe that Gstreamer is the first choice, a choice so critical that they will delay implementing their entire ecosystem and the money to be made from it until Gstreamer is finished and proved secure.
Then again, Sony could do the same with Gstreamer and the Openmax IL PPU support with no security risk. I assume they want WebGL, accelerated codecs and video manipulation with Cairo which is necessary for zooming into video streams (Playmemories Studio). So it's Gstreamer and Cairo SPU-RSX accelerated support or Something they will have to write themselves and constantly upgrade (can't use AVM+ without disclosing to Adobe?).
CairoGL is another matter, the speed increase for Netflix when it started using CairoGL vs CairoFB and the Sony disclosure for Cairo which had almost no Diff file confirm OpenGL like support for Cairo. I guess Sony considered the Netflix app to be secure.
Sony in a GDC PDF mentioned in 2008 that they could emulate/provide support for openGL and the PS3 Cairo disclosure DIFF file was extremely small which meant it wasn't modified to use PSGL, the PS3 was supporting what CairoGL required. If they supported Cairo with PSGL they would have to disclose the changes to cairo to use PSGL. It makes sense for Sony to support Cairo with OpenGL as that provides a common interface that also isolates the SPU-RSX custom routines insuring another layer of security. Also with webGL in the future and with the javascript engine in particular, it will/can make calls directly to openGL. This is the security issue brought up by Microsoft and why they say they will not support webGL.Two reasons I didn't expect hardware acceleration: One, as I recall, although sometimes people talk about the high level graphics language on the PS3 as being OpengGL, it's not actually OpenGL (called PSGL, iirc), it's just similar. So if Sony was supporting PSGL directly, it would've shown up in the webkit source (most likely in Cairo). Yes, they could write a library to go between Cairo and PSGL, but that's getting messy and would probably wait until later.
Do we know Neftlix uses Cairo on the PS3? Iirc, it's Netflix's own webkit port + Qt. Since Qt has a commercial license, it could be drawing directly to PSGL without any sort of disclosure.
It's up to Sony and the BBC jointly if they want to support something other than CairoFB (cairo-pixman) You are noticing a difference in speed between apps on the PS3, this should confirm that some are faster for a reason like OpenGL acceleration.Two, and the main reason, is that the BBC iPlayer app runs pretty slow, without any sort of smooth scrolling. According to the BBC devs, it's a straightforward HTML5 app that they can reuse on other systems that support HTML5, so it kinda has to run on the webkit browser. Although I'm sure it's a huge improvement over the old one that ran on the Netfront browser, the new app really doesn't feel hardware accelerated at all when compared to the other PS3 apps that definitely are.
The point I was trying to make is that the current PS3 browser after 4.10 is I think a patch job and nothing like what I think the final browser will look or work like.Which brings us to your earlier question, about whether I think Sony's going to work on drawing speed or streaming HTML5 video support next. And I have no idea. I'd think video support would be a major priority unless Sony wants to push people towards using the apps that don't exist yet. If they want to push people towards apps, then drawing speed would be most important, especially if it would impact the apps.
Sports streams work great. Amazing!
I guess so, I mentioned that a new Sony camera with LIVE wireless video could be used as a remote skype camera and as a augmented reality camera for the PS3. I was jumped on.This might be a stupid question but if it's a matter of libraries, couldn't the PS3 broswer support this as well given the right accesories is available ? i'm thinking about augmented reality ..
KVN, Kung Fu Grip; Sony Major version numbers track some internal roadmap of features. The 4.0 version number may have reflected an aversion in Japan to use the 4.0 (sounds like death in Japanese); This may have impacted 4.10 in that it may actually be part of what was planned for 4.0. In any case, Gstreamer and webkit2 are behind schedule so we might have several .1 updates as I believe 4.5 then 5.0 have already been reserved for significant future features.he means that Sony numbers their updates quite weirdly. The Vita update, for example was numbered at 4.0 even though the last update before it was 3.75.