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PS3 OFW 3.56 New Feature: Rootkit (allegedly)
- Thread starter Vagabundo
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DiscoJer
Member
Tmac said:
It doesn't matter even if it were a rootkit.
In the previous case, it was Sony trying to install a program into your Windows PC when you put a music cd into your computer's cd drive.
That is bad, because the only thing Sony had to do with the setup was the cd.
This time around Sony sold you the PS3. While it's true you own the PS3 hardware, they are just licensing the OS that runs it to you. Just like MS licenses you Windows.
And if you stay off PSN or don't buy any new games, you don't need to update your firmware or have any contact with Sony.
And same thing with Windows. Some programs/games will require updates from MS to work. DirectX most notably, but also sometimes a service pack.
ShockingAlberto
Member
They want to blame someone and blaming Sony for anything disrupts their world view.richisawesome said:
DangerousDave
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
Sony is trying to defense them and all the third parties that are licensed in PS3 from the piracy. And is not only in his right, is his obligation because of the contracts that sign with the third parties to do anything legally possible to stop the piracy.
The executor of this measures is Sony, but the responsable are who leaked the codes online. Sony now is forced to do that kind of measures that I don't like, but I can understand.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
richisawesome said:
My attitude stems from knowing people into this type of stuff who use it for nothing more than playing illegally acquired games.
Not to mention the attitudes and nerd-flexing going on in this very thread over the ability to run another OS for the hell of it as if it's always the only reason they ever buy hardware... just to fucking tinker and apply shit it wasn't meant to do. (IE run NES roms, download ISOs cheat online whatever)
Wolves Evolve
Member
I'm learning a lot about gaming culture through reading this thread, and I've come to the conclusion that some people will accept any old horseshit as long as it has their favourite team logo stamped on it. Grown men arguing that other grown men shouldn't have the right to install software on a computer they bought. Good job.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Wolves Evolve said:
Do what you want by yourself. A grown man crying that Sony can take away the potential to cheat is even more laughable if you ask me. I can care less if you wanted to make your PS3 a grill. But take it online with cheats enabled and I'll be that grown ass man crying admittedly. I play for fun and don't want that tampered with.
George Claw M.D.
Member
If that was allowed, what would stop a person from reverting back and forth, between OFW and CFW, to play legit games online and play pirated games offline?gregor7777 said:
Anyway, regardless of the legality of hacking one's own console, people should understand the ramifications of doing so, and that a permanent console ban is a realistic risk being taken.
Furthermore, what you're suggesting Sony should allow, makes no sense from Sony's standpoint. Someone who has already hacked his console once, would likely have the propensity to try it again, should a newly undetectable method be discovered. Better to get him the first time around, than to give him another chance to try again, later. If the hacker wants to give it another go, it'll at least cost him another console purchase. The idea is to make it as troublesome as possible for would-be hackers, to the point of making it not worthwhile for many people.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Ploid 3.0 said:
You can hear your teammates without the sound of the slogging disc-drive (actual comment from someone in one of the other threads. Something along the lines of not being able to hear someone yadda yadda).
MoonsaultSlayer said:
I can do whatever I want with the console that I brought with my hard earned £200. Who the hell are you to say otherwise? And being called out as a pirate is absolutely ridiculous, when all I want from my PS3 is region-free Blu Ray and being able to backup my games to my hard drive for convienience.
Anyway, people have been banned before for insinuating piracy without proof. Just saying.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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MoonsaultSlayer said:
I've made it a point to avoid commenting in the CFW thread(s), but I have a itching question which has been bothering since the inception of gaia(?) and Multiman for the PS3 (CFW).
Ok, is the back-up method exactly like the X360 install? where you install the game but the exact same game disc is required to boot? or do you install the game and can boot via any disc?
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
richisawesome said:
That's awesome. But you're not everyone.
If I have to chance encountering cheaters then you're going to have to chance people like me being a dick to you. I'm not everyone from my stance either.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
Cruzader said:
kamorra said:
Hm. Ugh... no comment! -- I'll just say it's news like this that dictates my stance on 'OFW'/Homebrew movement (Generally Positive, somewhat negative). I understand nor do I care that people use it and I'm sure there are legit users -- but I'm also not naive enough to believe no one is using (abusing) particular features to take advantage of the situation (I want to avoid the use of the word 'Pirate').
But whatever, I'm "For" legit use -- "Against" illegal(?) use, but if both are in violation of ToS ...Then well, you can't have your cake and eat it too(?)
Tmac said:
It's not a closed system. I am not leasing the hardware from Sony. I legally purchased the hardware. What I do with it after this is none of their concern.
Now I can see the angle of keeping people off of PSN. This is fine as it is their "CLOSED" online domain. Even so, I still own the hardware. So if I want to use it for something that Sony didn't intend it doesn't matter, as it is my legal property.
Alucrid said:
If I had access to it, then sure - and right now I do, thanks to the hackers, waiting upon some kick-ass multimedia apps. As a really bad analogy - if I took MS Paint and hacked it to draw trollfaces instead of circles, who would give a shit? I'm personally keeping that software modification to myself, and it's not affecting anyone else.
NullPointer
Member
(from the Apocalyps3 thread, but seemed appropriate here too.)
Ploid 3.0
Member
richisawesome said:
One of the things I see a couple of the homebrew people do is use the ban for mentioning piracy as a weapon. Someone mentions or hints at piracy in whatever context, then somebody picks up that paint, splash them self with it and asks "did you put this paint on me? This is bannable!" Don't mention the negatives of homebrew.
kamorra said:
Sell me the idea that CFW on PSN is A-OK, safe, no problem, cool, etc. Why I shouldn't be concerned by it.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Or you can see why people would not like CFW to have access to PSN. Let's stop running around the bush.
I understand that people that only use CFW for good still want to access their PSN downloads, maybe even play new games online, but they have to understand that they can't really have them both. CFW is a threat and sony will fight it. Normal PS3 users don't need more ways for other players to grieve them, and game devs would like if sony limit the ability for PS3's to be able to back up and play games on the console.
If you're really into CFW and Homebrew it should be worth it enough to not have access to PSN. There is supposedly an amazing amount of Homebrew things to keep the enthusiasts happy.
I understand that people that only use CFW for good still want to access their PSN downloads, maybe even play new games online, but they have to understand that they can't really have them both. CFW is a threat and sony will fight it. Normal PS3 users don't need more ways for other players to grieve them, and game devs would like if sony limit the ability for PS3's to be able to back up and play games on the console.
If you're really into CFW and Homebrew it should be worth it enough to not have access to PSN. There is supposedly an amazing amount of Homebrew things to keep the enthusiasts happy.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
NullPointer said:
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
Even my Cybershot camera is watching me masturbate at this point.
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
Tmac said:
So was an iPhone and it was "illegal" at the time. Turns out, upon further examination, consumers actually won out and such stupid shit was granted the legal pass. Just because there is some retarded law like the DMCA created saying all this stuff is "illegal", doesn't mean the law ITSELF isn't wrong and illegal. It just hasn't been challenged yet. Again, it WAS illegal to jailbreak an iPhone.
How are the similarities so missed by people? They're both closed systems, which involve fw being broken so a consumer can do as they wish with the device.
NullPointer
Member
I don't know if its that point being missed so much as wanting to keep hacked consoles off of PSN, where they could then adversely affect people who bought their PS3s for its intended purposes.squatingyeti said:
squatingyeti said:
Wtf, noone is saying its illegal to modify your piece of hardware.
Consoles have a CLOSED business model, if you, at some point, was able to bypass security, good for you. You cant simples expect that as a console feature. Sony have the right to re-stabilish the previous status quo because a console is a closed plattaform, you can't compare it with a PC.
IrishNinja
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
you could've...you could've at least sugarcoated it a bit, man.
10 pages in, clowns are still gleefully calling for bans on even offline shit.
Tmac said:
Who gets to decide what a 'CLOSED' system is? What if Microsoft made a deal with Dell/HP to use a key system to allow only Windows to be installed, and what if Windows blocked out certain software? Would this be a 'CLOSED' system? Are they allowed to do that?
Edit: why does Sony think they have the right to block me from my Netflix?
Dreams-Visions
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precisely why I took the memory card out of mine.I NEED SCISSORS said: