ZombieSupaStar
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Im rooting for the hackers on this whole thing.
no pun intended.
no pun intended.
ivedoneyourmom said:Who gets to decide what a 'CLOSED' system is? What if Microsoft made a deal with Dell/HP to use a key system to allow only Windows to be installed, and what if Windows blocked out certain software? Would this be a 'CLOSED' system? Are they allowed to do that
Ploid 3.0 said:Your post was too. Who is sony. >^.^<
There are no "white hats" in this thread - it's one gang of spiteful morons lashing out in fear, selfishness and over-entitlement, and another gang of imbeciles who think they're fighting da powah, and telling the others to cry moar. They're all a bunch of spoiled idiots IMO. What the hell ever happened to compromise? Diplomacy? Respect for the rights of others?ZombieSupaStar said:Im rooting for the hackers on this whole thing.
no pun intended.
ivedoneyourmom said:So I continued to enjoy my already purchased games, legal homebrew, and Netflix - sure every now and again I would get a message that popped up asking me to connect to PSN, I'd just cancel it and continue my movie viewing. But yesterday Sony had a bit of the Netflix HTML changed as to not allow me to view the video if I cancel the logon dialog.
Now I ask you - what purpose does have outside of spite? I wasn't pirating any games - I don't have a low enough ping to even play multiplayer games so I don't cheat online. I'm a paying customer to Netflix. I can't think of why they would do such a thing - it's petty.
Gokurakumaru said:Sounds like your authentication ticket has expired. The purpose probably has little to do with spite and more to do with Netfix wanting to authenticate that you are who you say you are. Would you expect Netflix to allow you to view movies on your PC without logging in?
By cracking the PS3 haven't you very specifically opted out of Sony's closed platform? You've violated their terms of service, and the only thing keeping you from easily pirating a large library of games or attempting to exploit online matches is your personal code of honor, something that no video game publisher can afford to depend upon.ivedoneyourmom said:Now I ask you - what purpose does have outside of spite? I wasn't pirating any games - I don't have a low enough ping to even play multiplayer games so I don't cheat online. I'm a paying customer to Netflix. I can't think of why they would do such a thing - it's petty.
Dambrosi said:There are no "white hats" in this thread - it's one gang of spiteful morons lashing out in fear, selfishness and over-entitlement, and another gang of imbeciles who think they're fighting da powah, and telling the others to cry moar. They're all a bunch of spoiled idiots IMO. What the hell ever happened to compromise? Diplomacy? Respect for the rights of others?
NullPointer said:By cracking the PS3 haven't you very specifically opted out of Sony's closed platform? You've violated their terms of service, and the only thing keeping you from easily pirating a large library of games or attempting to exploit online matches is your personal code of honor, something that no video game publisher can afford to depend upon.
I just find it rich that you'd refer to Sony's (or Netflix's) actions as petty, since they're just expressing their right to maintain control of their service, just as you are expressing your right to use your property as you see fit.
Your access to Netflix via your PS3 is based upon agreements between Netflix and Sony, and between you and Sony by way of PSN terms of service. Its not something you're entitled to.ivedoneyourmom said:Sony can keep their service, I am concerned with Netflix's service, which is artificially conflated with PSN.
And how does me not having PSN/Netflix keep me from pirating? Wouldn't it have the exact opposite effect? If people can't buy PSN exclusive Awesome Game but really want it wouldn't they instead go to ps3war3z.net and grab a cracked version?
And it's not about a personal code of honor - by existing in the country I reside in I am bound by a social contract - one that says that I am not allowed to break the law, and if I do break the law the GOVERNMENT which is made of a constituent body of everyone in my country is to determine my fate for my actions.
It's not a company's place to determine what is or is not against the law, nor whether I have potential for going against their wishes.
I respect Sony's wish to keep me off of PSN, but once again what does that got to do with my PAID subscription to Netflix?
Well, yes, removing the OtherOS function I never used, but which I had paid for, without any recompense was a shitty thing to do, regardless of the reasons given. It showed a clear disrespect for the consumers of their products, and I think that's the main problem for many people, including myself.Marrshu said:I think that kinda went out the window when Sony started removing features.
NullPointer said:Your access to Netflix via your PS3 is based upon agreements between Netflix and Sony, and between you and Sony by way of PSN terms of service. Its not something you're entitled to.
Anyway, wouldnt it be possible to get a decent homebrew browser that would enable you to stream Netflix via their website? At that point it would be a direct matter between you as a web consumer and Netflix, without Sony's involvement.
Dambrosi said:Well, yes, removing the OtherOS function I never used, but which I had paid for, without any recompense was a shitty thing to do, regardless of the reasons given. It showed a clear disrespect for the consumers of their products, and I think that's the main problem for many people, including myself.
Now, however, as we can see in this thread, things have gotten out of hand. People are just yelling at each other, wishing harm upon each other, slavishly toeing the "party line" of each side, not showing any respect for each other or their viewpoints, or even trying to understand them. And, while the pro-Sony side are by far the worse of the two, the homebrew side has had its fair share of arrogant tools as well.
It'd be laughable if it weren't so serious.
ivedoneyourmom said:Sony can keep their service, I am concerned with Netflix's service, which is artificially conflated with PSN.
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I respect Sony's wish to keep me off of PSN, but once again what does that got to do with my PAID subscription to Netflix?
They're nicer than Microsoft at least, requiring an Xbox Live Gold membership to access it on the 360. But I understand where you're coming from.ivedoneyourmom said:Anyway, you are 100% correct that my access to Netflix on my PS3 is arranged through Sony - however I don't think it was very nice of them to require a PSN signon to use it.
With one key difference, though: pro-homebrew are trying to defend their rights. Pro-Sony are trying to defend somebody else's right while paving the way for a future where consumers right are trampled on a regular basis.Dambrosi said:Now, however, as we can see in this thread, things have gotten out of hand. People are just yelling at each other, wishing harm upon each other, slavishly toeing the "party line" of each side, not showing any respect for each other or their viewpoints, or even trying to understand them. And, while the pro-Sony side are by far the worse of the two, the homebrew side has had its fair share of arrogant tools as well.
cedric69 said:The removal of OtherOS is a despicable act, one I hope Sony will pay dearly for in the end. And, on this, I sincerely wish them to be torn a new one by piracy. Not homebrew, not anything else. Piracy, plain and simple. There is a limit to what corporations should be allowed to do *against* their paying customers. Sony has long crossed that line, in my opinion.
The greater good is that companies behaving like this toward consumers don't get their money. Are you saying I should worry because if developers stop people will not be able to play games on their console? Yeah, I know.SolidSnakex said:And you really don't realize how that would also impact consumers negatively as well as game developers that had no role in the removal of the OtherOS?
As an extremely spiteful person I agree with cedric.SolidSnakex said:And you really don't realize how that would also impact consumers negatively as well as game developers that had no role in the removal of the OtherOS?
No, I can't agree. While they may argue under the guise of loyalty to Sony, I believe that most of the anti-homebrew side just want to preserve their "right" to a trouble-free online experience. Which is strange, since they never had that "right" in the first place. Meanwhile, the pro-homebrew people argue for their "right" to modify their own property as they see fit, which is justified, but may not actually be a "right", depending on how corrupt their country's laws are. Of course, such evil laws must be challenged, but this is not the forum to do so in. You wanna do something? Give money to the EFF or to geohot's legal fund!cedric69 said:With one key difference, though: pro-homebrew are trying to defend their rights. Pro-Sony are trying to defend somebody else's right while paving the way for a future where consumers rights are trampled on a regular basis.
I can't agree with this, either. It's not the developers' faults that Sony are being willfully intransigent. Leave them and their products out of this. A little less militancy, friend.cedric69 said:The removal of OtherOS is a despicable act, one I hope Sony will pay dearly for in the end. And, on this, I sincerely wish them to be torn a new one by piracy. Not homebrew, not anything else. Piracy, plain and simple. There is a limit to what corporations should be allowed to do *against* their paying customers. Sony has long crossed that line, in my opinion.
And regarding, because I know the place, the claims that piracy hurts developers... bring your development somewhere else. If you don't, I don't have great sympathy for your eventual problems.
Edit: btw, I have not used CFW on PS3 so far and my 360 is still unmodified in any form or way. It's the principle that makes the baby jeebus cry on this one.
I do, however, agree with this. As they currently are, Sony - hell, any multinational corporation - cannot be trusted.Marrshu said:Not to mention, stuffing an alleged rootkit into the system does not inspire confidence, friendliness, or loyalty to Sony.
cedric69 said:Are you saying I should worry because if developers stop people will not be able to play games on their console? Yeah, I know.
cedric69 said:Edit: who's the lady in your avatar?
Marrshu said:Not to mention, stuffing an alleged rootkit into the system does not inspire confidence, friendliness, or loyalty to Sony.
Doing what it takes to assure a trouble free online experience IS the right thing to do, even if you can't guarantee perfect success.Dambrosi said:While they may argue under the guise of loyalty to Sony, I believe that most of the anti-homebrew side just want to preserve their "right" to a trouble-free online experience. Which is strange, since they never had that "right" in the first place.
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See? Too many people talking about "rights", and not enough trying to do what's right.
There's a little too much of this sentiment going around.SolidSnakex said:Basically you don't care about who else it impacts as long a Sony is at least on the receiving end of some of it.
Aren't people with CFW3.55 still getting on PSN by using the DNS trick? So it's still possible that there are cheaters in online games.CozMick said:@kitch9
I know your last post was intended for someone else but I would like to thank you for explaining what is happening.
Seems like Sony now has the hackers by the balls.
gogogow said:Aren't people with CFW3.55 still getting on PSN by using the DNS trick? So it's still possible that there are cheaters in online games.
Yes, it's just a matter of what you consider the lesser evil. You look at the specific case, I look at the consequences in the long run.SolidSnakex said:I'm saying if you're looking out for consumers then why are you wishing for something that would hurt them? There are people that can only buy one console a generation and yet you're hoping that piracy will rip a console apart just to teach a company example. Basically you don't care about who else it impacts as long a Sony is at least on the receiving end of some of it.
And from the developers perspective you have an issue with them potentially losing the jobs because their games don't sell as well as expected. So it's not just an issue of fewer games being released on the platform.
I could have photos and movies of me and my wife doing hardcore sex. Private stuff. Private. You say you don't care if private stuff gets exposed. To each his own I guess.kitch9 said:Saying that my PS3 has photos, music and movies which are backed up, hackers are free to do their worst in the very unlikely scenario that they do break in.
Fersis said:OH DAMN YOU SONY FOR RUNNING YOUR CODE ON MY CONSOLE!
>8(
cedric69 said:I could have photos and movies of me and my wife doing hardcore sex. Private stuff. Private. You say you don't care if private stuff gets exposed. To each his own I guess.
In any case, you bet on Sony managing to close this. We'll see about that. It would be a first. I still remember their claims on BluRay. LOL.
And yes, I LOL not because I'm some teen brainnuts, I LOL because I want to watch my media as I prefer. Which is through an HTPC front end.
kitch9 said:My I ask if you want a HTPC why didn't you just buy/build one?
Ok, now we are bordering on personal attack and I don't have a lot of patience. My example was generic. I don't do that. People might, though, and a setting that was secure before Sony intervention could be unsecure without users understanding fully why.kitch9 said:The DNS loophole was closed before, and more fool you for not keeping that stuff locked up in a secure folder.
I have an HTPC. I just can't watch my BDs on it streaming them from my server. Oh, wait. I can. But surely not thanks to retarded DRM that was cracked from day one.My I ask if you want a HTPC why didn't you just buy/build one?
richisawesome said:Why bother when you already have a system that can potentially do that using homebrew? Waste of money.
cedric69 said:Ok, now we are bordering on personal attack and I don't have a lot of patience. My example was generic. I don't do that. People might, though, and a setting that was secure before Sony intervention could be unsecure without users understanding fully why.I have an HTPC. I just can't watch my BDs on it streaming them from my server. Oh, wait. I can. But surely not thanks to retarded DRM that was cracked from day one.
cedric69 said:The other thing I really don't get is this.
If the master key is in the open, pirates can sign copied games as if they were legit. For that you don't need any CFW, do you? So how would this stop them?
are you sure? everything that's been written so far regarding geohot discovery says the opposite. apps signed with this master key would be appear completely legit to the console.Zoe said:You need CFW to get apps and pirated games onto the system.
cedric69 said:are you sure? everything that's been written so far regarding geohot discovery says the opposite. apps signed with this master key would be appear completely legit to the console.
ivedoneyourmom said:Well, I purchased my PS3 at launch day after waiting in the rain for close to a day when I should have been studying instead. Got myself a 60GB one, played around with Linux, collected some games over time, imported some, got a number off of PSN as well. At one point I even said the hell with it and got a Qore subscription, however I don't think it was really worth the money.
One day Sony tells me and all their other customers that they are removing the OtherOS feature - so I didn't update; was unable to buy new games, etc. This guy geohot comes around and offers up a solution - A custom(ized) 3.55 firmware that will allow me to run some homebrew, one day will offer a way to get OtherOS back, and let me enjoy watching Netflix on my TV, which I pay a company called Netflix to be able to see video content from a variety of sources.
Just the other day Sony decided that I was to upgrade to 3.56 or be unable to connect to PSN. That is fine by me, once again it is Sony's loss since I will be unable to purchase new games - again.
So I continued to enjoy my already purchased games, legal homebrew, and Netflix - sure every now and again I would get a message that popped up asking me to connect to PSN, I'd just cancel it and continue my movie viewing. But yesterday Sony had a bit of the Netflix HTML changed as to not allow me to view the video if I cancel the logon dialog.
Now I ask you - what purpose does have outside of spite? I wasn't pirating any games - I don't have a low enough ping to even play multiplayer games so I don't cheat online. I'm a paying customer to Netflix. I can't think of why they would do such a thing - it's petty.
Quasar: You mean until there is no where left to go because the government will have sided with big-business on all consumer rights issues, right?
Technically, since Netflix used to work without logging in on PSN, he's not using their network.jcm said:On the other hand, complaining that Netflix (a feature that didn't even exist when you bought your PS3) doesn't work since you've violated the PSN TOS seems weak to me. If you're unwilling to play by Sony's rules, you don't get to use their network.
BrLvgThrChmstry said:I've made it a point to avoid commenting in the CFW thread(s), but I have a itching question which has been bothering since the inception of gaia(?) and Multiman for the PS3 (CFW).
Ok, is the back-up method exactly like the X360 install? where you install the game but the exact same game disc is required to boot? or do you install the game and can boot via any disc?
Jocchan said:Technically, since Netflix used to work without logging in on PSN, he's not using their network.
And people say pro-Sony side are the worst of the two? Even after posts like this? Damn..cedric69 said:With one key difference, though: pro-homebrew are trying to defend their rights. Pro-Sony are trying to defend somebody else's right while paving the way for a future where consumers right are trampled on a regular basis.
The removal of OtherOS is a despicable act, one I hope Sony will pay dearly for in the end. And, on this, I sincerely wish them to be torn a new one by piracy. Not homebrew, not anything else. Piracy, plain and simple. There is a limit to what corporations should be allowed to do *against* their paying customers. Sony has long crossed that line, in my opinion.
And regarding, because I know the place, the claims that piracy hurts developers... bring your development somewhere else. If you don't, I don't have great sympathy for your eventual problems.
Edit: btw, I have not used CFW on PS3 so far and my 360 is still unmodified in any form or way. It's the principle that makes the baby jeebus cry on this one.
The bolded part is key. As far as I know, once the application is installed it does (well, did) not need connecting to PSN anymore.jcm said:Netflix on PS3 requires PSN:
Already have a PS3 system?
To watch instantly on your PS3 system, you need to:
Connect your PS3 system to the internet
Sign-up for or sign-in to your free PlayStation® Network account
Go to the PlayStation® Network section of the XMB then select "What's New"
Click on the Netflix icon to download and install the Netflix application
Cedric69 said:The removal of OtherOS is a despicable act, one I hope Sony will pay dearly for in the end. And, on this, I sincerely wish them to be torn a new one by piracy. Not homebrew, not anything else. Piracy, plain and simple. There is a limit to what corporations should be allowed to do *against* their paying customers. Sony has long crossed that line, in my opinion.
Afrikan said:Sony didn't "take away" anything. I keep reading that over and over. They didn't force anything. You were still able to play all the old games you already purchased. You had a choice.