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[Radical_3d]

They used to make them cheaper over time. Ending that bothersome tradition some executive found the holy grail of profits. That’s why we need a strong XBox.

 

[UnNamed]

For the next two years we will see lots of cross gen games, this means less reasons to buy the next gen, so PS4 could reach PS2 in sales. Ok maybe not, but 20 million units in the next two years are plausible, now are 14/16 a year.

 

[Panajev2001a]

They used to make them cheaper over time. Ending that bothersome tradition some executive found the holy grail of profits. That’s why we need a strong XBox.

That is not really why. They are both resorting to mid generation upgrades to minimise price drops and keep ASP’s high.

Semiconductor tech advancement has slowed down and costs of jumping from one node to the next (expensive fabs, expensive processes, diminishing returns with each node transitions, etc...) are rising. The days where you can lose massively on the launch SoC and gain it all back and some thanks to die shrinks are kind of... gone. Same thing about when they try to convince you that releasing more HW more often is good for users as it allows tech to move forward faster... again, technology process (generation cycles) are slowing down, the pace of progress is not speeding up (unless you want to pay more for more expensive cooling and like bigger and bigger console boxes).

 

[v_iHuGi]

For the next two years we will see lots of cross gen games, this means less reasons to buy the next gen, so PS4 could reach PS2 in sales. Ok maybe not, but 20 million units in the next two years are plausible, now are 14/16 a year.

If Sony has Factory capacity and reduces Ps4 to 199 it might sell another 20M.

From what we´ve been seeing, not happening.

 

[Orta]

Heartwarming news. Delighted for Sony's CEO's, board of directors and shareholders.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Sony lives rent free in many gamers' minds.

 

[Radical_3d]

That is not really why. They are both resorting to mid generation upgrades to minimise price drops and keep ASP’s high.

Semiconductor tech advancement has slowed down and is increasing costs of jumping from one node to the next (expensive fabs, expensive processes, diminishing returns with each node transitions, etc...). The days where you can lose massively on the launch SoC and gain it all back and some thanks to die shrinks are kind of... gone. Same thing about when they try to convince you that releasing more HW more often is good for users as it allows tech to move forward faster... again, technology process (generation cycles) are slowing down, the pace of progress is not speeding up (unless you want to pay more for more expensive cooling and like bigger and bigger console boxes).

Yeah. It’s kind of sad. Graphene was supposed to save us all from the dead of the Moore’s law but here we are, it’s 2020 and my future of tiny carbon tubes is nowhere to be seen

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah. It’s kind of sad. Graphene was supposed to save us all from the dead of the Moore’s law but here we are, it’s 2020 and my future of tiny carbon tubes is nowhere to be seen

I still remember Carbon Nanotube TV’s .

 

[prinz_valium]

If Sony has Factory capacity and reduces Ps4 to 199 it might sell another 20M.

From what we´ve been seeing, not happening.

Ps4 Pro is discontinued already.
Ps4 is $299, the same price you could get a Series S for
Sony doesn't have the parts nor the factory capacity. They need to produce for the Ps5 demand.
Sony will sell less than 8m PS4 this year with Corona demand and bump.

20m (6,3) annually the next 3 years after Ps5 launched is laughably impossible. Not even sure why there is a discussion about it.

Sony could should be happy if they sell 10m more Ps4 over the next 3 years.

 

[IntentionalPun]

So you want Sony to not be profitable?

No; didn't say or imply that.. explained myself in the thread a bunch already.

 

[Caio]

I had no doubt about PS4 being the most profitable console of all time. And PS5 will be the next most profitable console when its cycle will end.
Congrats Sony.

 

[x@3f*oo_e!]

1.5 million hardware units sold Q2 2020 https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/20q2_supplement.pdf p.9

$393 million revenue

That makes Sony charging ~$262 per console (on average) if my math is correct // but that's a mix of Pro/Slim so I'd guess $230/330 for each - .. (accessories adds some error, increases revenue)

 

[Unknown?]

They used to make them cheaper over time. Ending that bothersome tradition some executive found the holy grail of profits. That’s why we need a strong XBox.

I believe that was part of their plan to push PS5. With the system still $299 retail, people can sell them for a good chunk of PS5 price whereas if it was $149 new less people would upgrade because they'd only get $99 at most used.

Sells tanked in 2020 for PS4 because it was a system going on 8 years at $299. After the first year of PS5 I expect the price to drop big.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Dat cheap weak on day 1 hardware and paid online...

 

[KungFucius]

This thread didn't age well in light of Nintendo's latest switch numbers. I think it could still be true if the profitability was extended to include all publishers.

I had no doubt about PS4 being the most profitable console of all time. And PS5 will be the next most profitable console when its cycle will end.
Congrats Sony.

 

[MonarchJT]

in the end no . Switch is

 

[Evil Calvin]

Games Radar
A thread from noted PlayStation analyst ArmGunar on Resetera claims that the machine has outperformed all of its competitors and predecessors.

ArmGunar says that "according to my calculations, PS4 is now the most profitable console in video game history," having amassed ¥1230 billion ($11.33 billion) in profit from its launch in Q3 2013 and Q2 2020, which ended last month, and for which Sony recently released its financial results.


We are literally posting articles based on posts made on forums now?

GamesRadar is an embarrassment.

On Topic

The Earnings report is also about Games & Network services, so PS+ and digital games revenue are included in that.
The PS2 and PS3 didnt have that so yeah the profits would be lower simply because PSN was mostly a cost and didnt bring in anywhere near the numbers PS+ and downloadable games bring in.


Im not saying the PS4 isnt the most profitable console of all time, im just saying different times are aiding the console.
If the PS2 had downloadable games and charged for PSN the sheer number of them out there would have put it on top......the fact that the PS2 is in the running without all those extra services is a true testament.

Geez. DLC and microtransactions account for over a third of the sales? Shit, I guess that crap isn't going away anytime soon.

 

[Orta]

 

[Hudo]

The true winners are shareholders who own shares for both companies.

 

[ethomaz]

I believe they will record profit this quarter... the number will be out tomorrow.

 

[Kerotan]

I believe that was part of their plan to push PS5. With the system still $299 retail, people can sell them for a good chunk of PS5 price whereas if it was $149 new less people would upgrade because they'd only get $99 at most used.

Sells tanked in 2020 for PS4 because it was a system going on 8 years at $299. After the first year of PS5 I expect the price to drop big.

The system was sold out everywhere. It could have sold way more in 2020. I sold my day 1 PS4 Pro to somebody for €300. That's crazy demand.

 

[sublimit]

But where is your beloved Xbox?

 

[Synless]

Switch wishes it had that thin of a bezel.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Sony should run for governor of California.

 

[Orta]

But where is your beloved Xbox?

In third place, behind the runner-up that had its arse handed to it in just over three years by Nintendo!

* I had an OG and 360 incidentally, hardly "beloved".

 

[Mr Moose]

This thread didn't age well in light of Nintendo's latest switch numbers. I think it could still be true if the profitability was extended to include all publishers.

$11.33 billion from October 2020 to $10.98?

 

[Jeeves]

In third place, behind the runner-up that had its arse handed to it in just over three years by Nintendo!

* I had an OG and 360 incidentally, hardly "beloved".

I've noticed people around here will assume you're an Xbox fanboy if you ever poke fun at Sony...really weird to me.

 

[rodrigolfp]

$11.33 billion from October 2020 to $10.98?

Maybe costs of the PS5.

 

[Mr Moose]

Maybe costs of the PS5.

I thought that would've been factored in before October, weird.

 

[MonarchJT]

But where is your beloved Xbox?

ms earned in 3 months more than both (sony and ninty) did in 7 years. I don't think they are worried at all

 

[ethomaz]

$11.33 billion from October 2020 to $10.98?

Sony did not share Oct-Dec 2020 profits yet... it will happen tomorrow.
The data used in the thread is up to September 2020.

 

[KingT731]

It's hilarious how Nintendo fans necro'd this thread just to gloat lol

 

[Orta]

It's hilarious how Nintendo fans necro'd this thread just to gloat lol

Yeah because if there is one thing S**y fans are known for, its not gloating.

 

[Elcid]

I'm not concerned with their profits. Earn those profits by selling me good games. That's what matters at the end.

That's exactly what they did though.....

 

[Bodomism]

B Bodomism am cry.

You ok?

Somebody check on him.

TLZ
I'm celebrating with Clarissa's friend.

 

[KingT731]

Yeah because if there is one thing S**y fans are known for, its not gloating.

I don't feel any ways about it. I just found it funny