It sort of is - 3 years in PS3/360 active userbase shrunk so much it was not relevant at all anymore.
It shows either longeivity of last-gen (users staying active longer) or well - XSX doing really poorly, or some combination of both.
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PS4 sold more games than Xbox Series X in Europe last year
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It shows either longeivity of last-gen (users staying active longer) or well - XSX doing really poorly, or some combination of both.
MarkMe2525
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Not shocking in the slightest, there are a whole lot more PS4's in Europe as opposed to Series consoles. Also, an on brand thread from OP.
Imagine sales without gamepass thenDo you remember when Phil said GamePass helps selling games?
Dr. Wilkinson
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I love how the fanboy gaming forum community thinks C-suite executives at billion dollar multinational conglomerates like Sony or MS give a shit about petty platform war bullshit.
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Mr Moose
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I think we only get splits like that from Japan.
Edit: Never mind, you said games. This includes digital so it is both Series X/S.
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analog_future
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And people wonder why Xbox is contemplating opening up their titles to more platforms.
The more places people can play the games, the more successful their games will be. Simple as that. Low Xbox hardware sales are holding the whole platform back.
The more places people can play the games, the more successful their games will be. Simple as that. Low Xbox hardware sales are holding the whole platform back.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Prolly should update the thread title then. It just says Series X
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Mr Moose
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Yeah, the original article said only physical, they missed half of the quote they copied from gamesindustry.biz which also said digital.
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Pelta88
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"Perhaps they've separated the S and X sales" is what its come down to?
//DEVIL//
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Omg I laughed so hard at thisXbox fans on GAF sitting in the trenches, watching the never ending warfare against their platform.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I didn’t make the thread
Just pointing it out since it begs the question and I thought it seemed off
I didn’t make the thread
It includes both series x and series s and they came 5th in game sales:
From the original source
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Game sales on PS5 are ahead of PS4 already.
Pelta88
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I didn’t make the thread
Just pointing it out since it begs the question and I thought it seemed off
You've been around this hobby for a while. You know there isn't a sales thread where they've separated S and X sales, ever.
Fake
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Not only that, but IMO PS5 have a low start in comparison with PS4.
PS4 did a great job with first party games.
I still playing on my PS4 because I can't afford too, but I not in haste to buy a PS5 even if I had money to get. Let people beta test until PS5 got a modest slim version.
Codes 208
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The ps360 era didnt take two years to truly start due to a silicon shortage (or pandemic) however, and the ps4 still has one of the largest install bases in gaming versus a console with less than half that of its current gen competitor.
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Null Persp
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the writing is on the wall
Dr. Wilkinson
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Well there's a first time for everything. I've personally seen physical game cases this generation specifically say Series X with no mention of S. And again, I didn't make the thread. Going forward maybe the threadmaking could be better? I dunno, I don't work here, just pointing out the error which begged the question.
Insane Metal
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Rocco Schiavone
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Who cares about game sales?? The only important question is how many hours
Phillip W. Spencer III has invested in playing Starfield.
ChorizoPicozo
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Bright, bright future.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Suddenly? They should’ve questioned Microsoft a long time ago. Now they see the brand is dying and part of it, it’s the fanbase their own fault.
No, he has an actual point:
Activision Blizzard won't receive PlayStation dev kits if it's acquired by Microsoft
"We simply could not run the risk of a company that was owned by our direct competitor having access to that information."
"We simply could not run the risk of a company that was owned by our direct competitor having access to that information"
His point is now that they are like EA or Ubisoft would they refrain from sending them a devkit with the fear that they would know specs.
Mibu no ookami
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It's not about being petty.
Sony has already said that ABK won't be able to get a devkit going forward. So it does beg the question a conversation would likely need to take place in order for Sony to allow them to get devkits, knowing they can at any time re-enter the market.
PS360 had install base of 170M at the same (relative) point in time. It died off quick, but not because of lack of total userbase, people simply didn't stick with it.
And time-aligned PS5/XSX are both relatively close to their predecessors 3 years in - the factors here are clearly not in the userbase numbers, people remaining active on PS4 is a longer tail than common.
bender
What time is it?
What bucket does a PS4 game played on a PS5 fall into?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Pretty sure PS5 as the data from the leak was by console not by game platform.
bender
What time is it?
Thanks. I'd love to see the data on that as it would probably further cement the idea of cross-generation is here to stay unless another major architectural shift happens.
Time aligned PS4 and PS5 are close but Xbox Series has fallen behind XB1.
The longer tail is because publishers with GaaS and in particular MS and their strategy has diluted what a generation is. People spend time playing long running live service games now that are from prior generations or f2p games. Games like Fortnite, GTA5, Minecraft, SoT, Destiny, Apex, Roblox, etc. Those people put in hours on previous gen hardware but see little reason for a new generation. Actual game sales, particularly non-GaaS tend to be on new gen hardware and that shift isn't really longer, xbox is the outlier here.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Platform - PS5 Players Spend Much More Time Playing Single Player Games Than Multiplayer Ones, Leaked Documents Suggest
Newly leaked PlayStation data has revealed that PS5 users spent more time playing single-player offline titles than others. The multiplayer online and F2P titles appeared to be leagues behind in the charts as of January 2023. The charts reveal a slew of other notable details. PS5 users had a...
Feb 2023 - 3.6 billion total hours
34.9million x 44.4 - 1.55 billion PS5, 2.05 billion PS4.
And that's with a PS4 data lag.
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bender
What time is it?
I guess the latest data was from Feb 2023 so PS5 may have caught and passed the PS4 by the end of the year, but likely not quick enough to win out across the entire year.Platform - PS5 Players Spend Much More Time Playing Single Player Games Than Multiplayer Ones, Leaked Documents Suggest
Newly leaked PlayStation data has revealed that PS5 users spent more time playing single-player offline titles than others. The multiplayer online and F2P titles appeared to be leagues behind in the charts as of January 2023. The charts reveal a slew of other notable details. PS5 users had a...www.neogaf.com
Feb 2023 - 3.6 billion total hours
34.9million x 44.4 - 1.55 billion PS5, 2.05 billion PS4.
Sorry, I believed your earlier posts. I was more talking about data that showed the amount of non-PS5 games played on PS5. Excuse the rambling.
StreetsofBeige
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Edit. Wrong thread.
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yazenov
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You wish it was only counting physical media so you could dismiss the data as usual. It includes digital sales as well.
So now that we got this out of the way, what are your thoughts on this now that it includes digital?
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What do you mean by PS4 data lag? You can use the top graphs Feb 23 and minus the Feb 23 PS5 number it would be 2.1B for PS4. What's the data lag?I guess the latest data was from Feb 2023 so PS5 may have caught and passed the PS4 by the end of the year, but likely not quick enough to win out across the entire year.Platform - PS5 Players Spend Much More Time Playing Single Player Games Than Multiplayer Ones, Leaked Documents Suggest
Newly leaked PlayStation data has revealed that PS5 users spent more time playing single-player offline titles than others. The multiplayer online and F2P titles appeared to be leagues behind in the charts as of January 2023. The charts reveal a slew of other notable details. PS5 users had a...
Feb 2023 - 3.6 billion total hours
34.9million x 44.4 - 1.55 billion PS5, 2.05 billion PS4.
And that's with a PS4 data lag.
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Gaiff
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No, the OP originally specified only physical.
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yazenov
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Alright, but now that you know its included both physical and digital, I'm curious to hear your opinion on the subject instead of your usual dismissal of the data. What are your thoughts about the PS4 selling more games than the XBS?
MisterXDTV
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Yes, I imagine they would be better if there wasn't an option for long-term renting....
MS taught its users to never buy games, this is the result...
bender
What time is it?
Anecdotal but I've had my Series X since the December after it launched. I've purchased three games: Flight Sim, Forza Horizon 5, and Dead Space Deluxe since it was stupid cheap over the holidays ($8.99). The effect goes beyond Xbox as I purchased Remnant 2 on PlayStatoin and quickly regretted it as it surprised dropped on Game Pass later that year. I often ask myself before making purchases these days if I should just wait a few months to see if it appears on that catalogue. This is doubly true of indie games.
YeulEmeralda
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Xbox fans on GAF sitting in the trenches, watching the never ending warfare against their platform.
GHG
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The thing that I really don't understand is what their long term plan was supposed to be here. This is what I said back last April:
We are now in 2024 and things are worse now than they were then. Much worse.
Look at what happened when they attempted to neuter the Microsoft rewards programme, some people were threatening to leave the ecosystem ffs. They are fucked.
It's got to the point where the CFO and CEO are saying "fuck this, let's start going where the people who do spend money are".
AngelMuffin
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Sounds right. I’m sure the number of PS4s in Europe stomps the SX.
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Killjoy-NL
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Now imagine GamePass on Playstation. Best of both worlds and you'd only need one console.
bender
What time is it?
PlayStation already has a Game Pass alternative and I do think we will see a service like EA Play for MGS titles eventually, maybe even branded Game Pass.
Killjoy-NL
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I know, talking about Xbox library.
bender
What time is it?
So was I.
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