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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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You're correct. Games are expensive, which is why people share them and rent them. Not everyone has the income to buy every game they want to play. They will make plenty of extra money on DLC's and add-ons. Plus games this gen are going to go up in price, to 70$. That isn't exactly easy to afford, especially when Sony launch will have a bunch of great games.
I am just being realistic. And you all should be too.
The great and lauded Steam started this and MS AND Sony are going to follow suit.
Brace yourselves for reality.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Yes I know, but it would be difficult to prove that they didn't just come to the same conclusions independently if it's just nods and winks. Any contract that basically fixes the market for higher game ASPs would lead to massive fines for all parties and would not be easily defended.
In what world is there only one evil? This one is the current target and is the target of this campaign. I don't see what's wrong with that.
BennBeckman
Banned
Microsoft have played their hand with their anti consumer bs and jumping into bed with the most reviled videogame publisher in the world.
Sony need to distance themselves from this and forge new partnerships with other, better publishers
Sony need to distance themselves from this and forge new partnerships with other, better publishers
Yet games like Watch Dogs are also being released on the Wii U. Go try and derail another thread.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
#GetOut
The Elite
BOSS
Would be funny if Sony never planned to do this stuff and is just like 'yeah we're listening' as a way to get free positive publicity.
If that's the case that is absolutely what they should do.
That's great stuff. Although we kind of already knew.
Guys, all we set out to do in the first place was to get our voices heard by Sony. FM's source said they were undecided on their stance - we wanted to make our voices heard to try and encourage them to do what's right. And we've achieved that. And i think we can be proud of ourselves for that
We got our voices heard within Sony, which is great.
I mean, don't stop or anything... But as long as we have a steady stream of tweets now, that's all we need. It blew up to such an extent that it got their attention, which is what matters
Krusenstern
Banned
Would be funny if Sony never planned to do this stuff and is just like 'yeah we're listening
That would be too wonderful of course if they didn't intend this in the first place.
But this is unclear, and that's why we're doing what we're doing.
famousmortimer
Banned
Alright im out of work and back in action. Ill be updating the OP shortly with the new items since last night (and I think i missed a few during the day as well) after I have some oatmeal. #oatmeal
In regards to a couple things I see popping up from time to time I would caution that just copying and pasting a tweet isn't particularly effective. Not only does it get ignored by the person its going to, it stops being tracked by most meaningful tools.
Also last night it seemed like some people were in harass mode which is counter intuitive. Sony has been quiet but they haven't technically done anything wrong yet. Politeness is key. If they end up making the wrong decisions that's the time to rage, if that's a thing you do.
It seemed like this thing was petering out last night and europe came through and gave it new life. You guys are awesome.
In regards to a couple things I see popping up from time to time I would caution that just copying and pasting a tweet isn't particularly effective. Not only does it get ignored by the person its going to, it stops being tracked by most meaningful tools.
Also last night it seemed like some people were in harass mode which is counter intuitive. Sony has been quiet but they haven't technically done anything wrong yet. Politeness is key. If they end up making the wrong decisions that's the time to rage, if that's a thing you do.
It seemed like this thing was petering out last night and europe came through and gave it new life. You guys are awesome.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I don't like to pull the big business card too often, but I can tell you now as an employee (relatively high up the food chain) of a multi-billion dollar company that if there was a very public campaign against us that was targeted at key executives we would probably have a look at what was being said. If the argument was sound then it would make a difference.
Sony are in it to make money, and if their target market is telling them directly that their current path is the wrong one then it doesn't surprise me that people in SCE are taking notice. It's been confirmed by Sony employees and by others that the message is being heard at the right levels.
RpgN
Junior Member
Hello everyone, looks like I have a lot of reading to do before helping out again. Also it looks like Cliffy spoke a lot of shit while I was gone (read up to page 60). He changed so quickly after he left Epic. I guess those were always his true thoughts but he hid them to sell his games on Gaf.
Baller. PhD
Banned
EuroGAF has performed admirably. Time for team USA to keep the momentum alive.
The sophomore slump. We cannot have it.
The sophomore slump. We cannot have it.
I'm quoting this because it needs to be said again.
It is in the best interest of all gamers to not have either Sony or Microsoft employ this tactic... or at least continue to second guess the strategy.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Europeans care about consumer rights.
Also, add the tumblr page to the OP.
http://ps4nodrm.tumblr.com/
Would be funny if Sony never planned to do this stuff and is just like 'yeah we're listening
Well, if they never planned to do this they DESERVE free positive publicity in the face of their significant competitor pandering to publishers with this pish.
Just wanted to echo this. Be smart, clever, and assertive but also be polite. If we don't get seen as internet crybabies the chances of getting our voices heard skyrockets.
Krusenstern
Banned
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Would be funny if Sony never planned to do this stuff and is just like 'yeah we're listening
The other half of that being funny is that GAF will totally take credit for no drm/used-game blocking policies regardless
Huh, I didn't even realize that copy/pasted tweets wouldn't be tracked. I think I did a few. Won't make that mistake when I tweet today.
razgriz417
Member
Man Sony is getting so much positive pr from this lol, really hope they back off from this.
I think Cliff just likes to play devils advocate. Nothing wrong with that but its best for us to just ignore it.
Yeah. Major props to Euro Gaf. I went to bed last night thinking this thing would have fizzled out overnight. I was wrong.
IonicSnake
Banned
The other half of that being funny is that GAF will totally take credit for no drm/used-game blocking policies regardless
Sony never planned this but comes out looking like they listened to their fans and care about them. Gaf looks like they made a huge difference in the future of gaming. Win-win.
We will even hit... 1 Million!
why not raise the roof and go for 1 BILLION... (just like the next gen in console sales according to Microsoft.)
10101
Gold Member
#letsdonothingthen
Voicing your opinion on this is better than doing nothing even if it turns out to be pointless. Companies need to know how we feel, even if they choose to ignore it.
This thing is a great idea, whoever made it http://ps4nodrm.tumblr.com/
Submitted one of my own stories.
Submitted one of my own stories.
krypt0nian
Banned
Punched in and tweeted for the morning shift.
I am in the US, but have to admit that the UK goes hard on twitter. Some of my favorite followers are from the UK and they seem very passionate about this.
I think positive reinforcement will help this thing grow. When we hear Sony is listening it makes us believe we are possibly making a difference. Thanks for all the updates and thanks again to everyone who has been tweeting, posting on facebook, etc.
I think positive reinforcement will help this thing grow. When we hear Sony is listening it makes us believe we are possibly making a difference. Thanks for all the updates and thanks again to everyone who has been tweeting, posting on facebook, etc.
Why wouldn't they benefit as much as a publisher? They sell games just like anyone else and on top of that they get platform royalties for every new game sold from third parties.
FalsettoVibe
Member
So even if the PS4 does use some form of DRM, it would still have an advantage over X1 simply because it does not require an internet connection.
What in the world does 'games being expensive' have to do with stopping these anti-consumer measures? Who gives a shit what publishers are happy with, they're fucking asstards who are on board with this shit too. Fuck 'em all.
RpgN
Junior Member
We definitely will. The question remains wether we will hit a million, 2 or possibly more!
Okay, will do. Sorry for bringing it up again.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
No, the real world is about supply and demand, and this is an industry that wants to control both pricing and consumption at the same time because they don't want to live in the real world.
If this is the future of MS and Sony's console endeavors, I'm out unless they change course.
You all can think I'm full of shit, call me paranoid about letting corporations have an "eye" in my living room, or call me a criminal for not wanting to pay more than a new game is worth to me, but just like is true for you is true for me - it's my money and my business.
All any of us will do is make a value judgement, weigh the pros and cons, and act accordingly. For me, that means I won't support these practices with my money. If you want to, that's your business. If it doesn't work out for you or the industry, so be it. If it's the best thing that ever happened to you and the industry, so be it.
Either way, we all get the future only some of us deserved.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
You're mixing up pessimism with realism.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Knux-Future
Banned
It never hurts to try bro.
and if you read the OP...you'd know he states that Sony is in fact wavering on this...so maybe this will be the push they needed to not go ahead with it.
The PS4 will have some DRM. The PS3 has some. We don;t want the overly restrictive system proposed by Microsofy to be the norm. That's all. Sony alreasy "promised" not always online requirements, so they are half way there honestly.
but regardless of if this is pointless or not...entering threads with the single goal of shitting on dreams (no matter how naive) is pretty childish.
#growup? really?
also no shit this is a buisness...so is the movie industry and many others...they don't do this shit to their customers.
and for the love of god...STOP BRINGING UP STEAM. It isn't the same.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Guys, everyone get the tumblr link out on Twitter so people to post their own used game stories.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
We basically live on our mobiles
which makes the whole xbox one philosophy seem really strange. The main way we consume TV is iplayer and other on demand services.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Europeans care about consumer rights.
Also, add the tumblr page to the OP.
http://ps4nodrm.tumblr.com/submit
Dont forget to submit directly guys. It makes it life so much easier.
http://ps4nodrm.tumblr.com/submit
IonicSnake
Banned
Done.
I think so too. But IF the policies are customisable and opt-in/opt-out by publishers, there's wiggle room for consumer lobbying. And there's room for SCE to take a leadership role on it as platform holder and say they're not going to use it for their own games.
IF it is a universal, mandated policy for all games, signed into contracts, then there's not so much wiggle room, and I'd hate to be the PR people dealing with this at E3
Great idea! I have a couple to submit.
I think there's an extra E in your spelling of arguments in the title.
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