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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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AstroNut325
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F***! I've never owned a Activision game. Looks like I need to start supporting them. Any way to tweet this ti Activision? I just want to thank them for not pushing the anti-consumer BS. That is quite a surprise to me!
Stop quoting that idiot
TheJollyCorner
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that, but especially not being able to play 'offline' with games like PSN Final Fight.
I recall that causing a pretty big stink and Capcom didn't implement that policy beyond that game, from what I recall.
I am a member of the German Pirate party and just feel like stressing the fact that we are NOT promoting piracy. It is illegal to copy copyrighted material without permission etc. you know all this. We are however promoting open licenses and open access. Also, we are on the consumer side concerning DRM, so this story here is definitely supported by us.
The Pirate party is NOT a bunch of kids who want to copy everything for free, if that's what the general public (still?) serms to believe.
Sorry for being off topic, if you want to discuss details or want to comment, do not reply here, send me a direct message! Thanks!
If TotalBiscuit is one thing, it's incomprehensibly stubborn.
Bingo - he's not worth your attention at all.
Don't waste your time and energy with people that so blatantly show that don't understand the problem or are not sympathetic to it. They won't be swayed in no matter what.
He is, though. I follow him and interact with him because I'm a fan and a long-time subscriber of his YouTube channel and his work with the StarCraft II community.
He's just completely out of touch on this one.
My biggest problem I suppose is that he only thinks this is about used games and not why global DRM on a video game console is a bad idea and not the same as a PC.
King Tubby
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Probably has something to do with having pirate in the name of the party. I mean that doesn't really do you any favors.
I really feel positive about this campaign. Thank you everyone.
- The new Sony is more likely to listen. The fact that they listened to devs request and increased the ram, I think it was unprecedented for Sony. According to the reports, they were contemplating but devs and rivalry with ms pushed them. There is a chance that they would listen to their consumers this time.
- Reading some of their vague reactions on twitter actually gave me more hope. Especially Adam Boyes reply to TB as I read it -at least in my head- as "keep pushing us, don't get discouraged by others, there is still hope" though he can't say it out right.
- The new Sony is more likely to listen. The fact that they listened to devs request and increased the ram, I think it was unprecedented for Sony. According to the reports, they were contemplating but devs and rivalry with ms pushed them. There is a chance that they would listen to their consumers this time.
- Reading some of their vague reactions on twitter actually gave me more hope. Especially Adam Boyes reply to TB as I read it -at least in my head- as "keep pushing us, don't get discouraged by others, there is still hope" though he can't say it out right.
Baller. PhD
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FrozenCell
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wish region freedom also got as much media coverage
yurinka
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Additional ones from Spain (they basically mention the Twitter campaign and the replies from the Sony guys):
Meristation: http://www.meristation.com/playstat...a-prohibicion-a-la-segunda-mano/44672/1867990
Vida Extra: http://www.vidaextra.com/ps4/vuelven-los-rumores-sobre-un-drm-de-sony-para-los-juegos-de-ps4
Vandal: http://www.vandal.net/noticia/13506...s-que-piden-que-ps4-no-bloquee-juegos-usados/
Yeah, there were a few cases like this yesterday too. Twitter can be sensitive, especially about new users, and tweeting links and hashtags.
If anyone is tweeting, don't overdo it, and even better, try to customise tweets. You can even leave out the link to the letter if you want to fit in more - the message is more important. I've seen a lot more people lately customising the tweets from the links on the open letter, which is great.
turnbuckle
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Didn't they also do the same for Bionic Commando II? Unless something changed I didn't know about. It's the only reason I didn't buy it.
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Also tweeted. I don't use Twitter often but it doesn't hurt, right?
Krusenstern
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He won't change his stance, we can assure you that.
I'm a PC gamer with no intentions of buying a next-gen console any time soon (new GPU next year instead!), but at least I can understand why DRM on a console is a poor idea. I can certainly relate experiences in my own life in the past where I wouldn't have been able to play video games had the game console implemented any sort of online-connected DRM whatsoever.
I can accept DRM for Steam and PC, but video game consoles should be a bit more "accessible" than a PC. It's just a terrible idea and sets a dangerous precedent for the industry, I support this effort wholeheartedly even without my own personal situation being tremendously impacted by it.
I can accept DRM for Steam and PC, but video game consoles should be a bit more "accessible" than a PC. It's just a terrible idea and sets a dangerous precedent for the industry, I support this effort wholeheartedly even without my own personal situation being tremendously impacted by it.
Watching it now. So far it's as we expected.
10101
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I just did, I follow the tech section on BBC quite avidly using their app's. Hopefully he will respond.
On an unrelated note I just got a temp ban from twitter for adding multiple users to tweets
I've only sent 6 tweets lol
sakipon
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I agree. I don't see why two different systems couldn't co-exist for different audiences.
I'm really glad that this campaign is getting the attention that it is, and I hope that it accomplishes its goal. That being said, I asked Tak Fuji (via twitter) what his thoughts were on Microsoft's seemingly aggressive stance against used games, and he replied:
"Nothing. All games will be F2P soon."
Not the answer that I was expecting, but it was still pretty funny.
"Nothing. All games will be F2P soon."
Not the answer that I was expecting, but it was still pretty funny.
RPGCrazied
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So people that buy used games are ripping off the developers? I don't think I like that guy. I buy used to yes, save money. I can not afford to drop $60 on every new game I want day 1. People with bigger pockets can probably toot a different horn.
Lots of lower/middle class play video games, shouldn't be just for the rich.
Lots of lower/middle class play video games, shouldn't be just for the rich.
Krusenstern
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I completely agree with you. And yes, TB is completely out of touch on this one. But he won't change his stance on it. Never. And we should just leave him behind, hoping that his army won't sabotage our efforts, and move on.
Tak Fuji is my bro. Love that guy, his Twitter feed is hilarious.
I just did, I follow the tech section on BBC quite avidly using their app's. Hopefully he will respond.
On an unrelated note I just got a temp ban from twitter for adding multiple users to tweets
Nice one.
And yeah they're really iffy on new accounts. I'd have been banned ages ago if i wasn't a member for 3 years i guess, lol.
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Deleted member 17706
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It's really crazy why some people think publishers and platform holders deserve a cut from second hand sales. I just can't wrap my head around that. Is there any other industry where this kind of viewpoint is prevalent?
Today's fine case example of "The lack of compassion and understanding for other human beings" and "doesn't get it":
Snooty sumbitch.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Some of their earlier psn titles like sf2hdr had online drm on PS3, they changed that very quick.
We need to stop mentioning this guy and feeding his ego. It's just sending the thread offtopic.
Honestly my whole take on the issue of "leaving it up to the publishers" will at most result in an online pass type situation. Companies have already taken a lot of flack and changed their minds in requiring to be connected/logged in to the network to play their games when they've attempted it before. And stuff like Online Pass for single player took a beating too, and games like Arkham City that had exclusive single player stuff (day 1) linked to Online Pass released complete versions with all that content on disc/available without the requirement of codes/online.
So yeah, honestly, I believe leaving it up to publishers will result in the same system/experience we get on the ps3 right now. There are plenty of companies that could've opted for an online pass this gen but didn't choose to because they either didn't believe in it or felt like the negative reception to such a thing wouldn't be worth it.
These companies of course wouldn't mind more money, but they would rather not risk their own image and lowering of sales as a result, and would much rather it be implemented on a system level (which from the only comments from Yoshida so far, Sony doesn't seem to be doing).
So yeah, honestly, I believe leaving it up to publishers will result in the same system/experience we get on the ps3 right now. There are plenty of companies that could've opted for an online pass this gen but didn't choose to because they either didn't believe in it or felt like the negative reception to such a thing wouldn't be worth it.
These companies of course wouldn't mind more money, but they would rather not risk their own image and lowering of sales as a result, and would much rather it be implemented on a system level (which from the only comments from Yoshida so far, Sony doesn't seem to be doing).
Sickboy007
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Some Italian coverage:
Eurogamer.it: http://www.eurogamer.it/articles/2013-05-28-news-videogiochi-ps4-sony-risponde-alle-campagne-contro-il-blocco-dellusato
Multiplayer.it: http://multiplayer.it/notizie/119065-i-fan-si-mobilitano-contro-il-possibile-blocco-anti-usato-su-playstation-4.html
Spaziogames.it: http://www.spaziogames.it/notizie_videogiochi/console_playstation_ps4/175732/ps4-la-campagna-antidrm-dei-giocatori.aspx
zomgbbqftw
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I think we should stick to Bish's earlier advice and keep this TB idiot out of the thread.
TheJollyCorner
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has David Jaffe chimed in on any of this yet?
I recall him being pretty anti-used games, but I could be wrong.
Didn't he go on a tirade a year or so ago regarding this issue, but standing on the side of the developers/publishers instead of the consumers?
I recall him being pretty anti-used games, but I could be wrong.
Didn't he go on a tirade a year or so ago regarding this issue, but standing on the side of the developers/publishers instead of the consumers?
He's basically pissed off that gamestop makes so much money off used games and he/the developers don't get any of it, but isn't against gamers being able to buy used games or sell copies they paid for. No idea about what he said in regards to sharing/playing on more than one console.
Sorry man - I thought I'd give the video a look to see the other side of the argument - but his position is "pre-owned is negative, this is fact, if you disagree you're crazy."
If you hate online passes it's "without reason," apparently we all "hate" DLC and never buy it.
Yeah - I'm tired of this guy.
Yeah, it's for the best I think.
I just did, I follow the tech section on BBC quite avidly using their app's. Hopefully he will respond.
On an unrelated note I just got a temp ban from twitter for adding multiple users to tweets
Me too!
Does it say you have 0 followers and are following 0 people too?
CosmicQueso
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So GAF is going the Fox News route? Fair and balanced. Or something.
Primarily being a PC/Vita gamer, I've got no dog in this fight. But in a debate it's always best when all sides are heard. Echo chambers help no one.
SolidSnakex
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I forgot all about that. That was all really weird because I don't think that they locked the 360 version. But it seems like the fan response was enough to make them change their mind on using that.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He did earlier and very reasonably, I might add.
What? Bish said to get off the TB stuff. He was right, considering it was derailing the thread.
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