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[Zacfoldor]

I stopped PC gaming because the chair hurt my back.

I tried the mythical long HDMI cord to get it to my TV, but then UIs were all fucked up and small and shitty and I didn't have anywhere to scroll with my mouse.

I'm sure you can make a gaming PC work as a convenient wireless couch system for the mancave in the shop, but I just prefer the ease of use of the PS5 Pro. It's only 100 dollars more than I would have been happy with and I'll use it for 5 years so screw it. Why not. I won't want to be bothered with things, I just want to plug and play with the best graphics possible and money is an object. I'm in IT. I've built a dozen gaming PCs LATELY for friends and a new one for myself a few years ago. Your IT guy will tell you, convenience is king. I lost the stars in my eyes for PC gaming benefits long ago.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I stopped PC gaming because the chair hurt my back.

I tried the mythical long HDMI cord to get it to my TV, but then UIs were all fucked up and small and shitty and I didn't have anywhere to scroll with my mouse.

I'm sure you can make a gaming PC work as a convenient wireless couch system for the mancave in the shop, but I just prefer the ease of use of the PS5 Pro. It's only 100 dollars more than I would have been happy with and I'll use it for 5 years so screw it. Why not. I won't want to be bothered with things, I just want to plug and play with the best graphics possible and money is an object. I'm in IT. I've built a dozen gaming PCs LATELY for friends and a new one for myself a few years ago. Your IT guy will tell you, convenience is king. I lost the stars in my eyes for PC gaming benefits long ago.

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic?

 

[Wooxsvan]

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic?

his back spec is all out of wack

 

[Xyphie]

I doubt that, because that would make the Pro a very imbalanced design. In terms of fill-rate,the Pro would be better than the Series X but less than the base PS5. Granted,a new architecture can mean doing more with less,but that still is a weird design.

I mean the developer leak earlier this year says as much (5-4-5-4) -> (8-7-8-7). But it can also be deduced by the WGP count, they shouldn't be able to do a 30/32WGP bin if it was 4SE (should've been 28 in that case), and the full 32/32WGP chip wouldn't work with 3SE. So that leaves 2. This is why it's likely to underperform a Navi 32 or Navi 48 at similar bin/clock speeds in raster perf.

So unless RDNA4 changes the number of ROPS per SE, it should be 64 still. Possibly some weird mix of a RDNA1/RDNA2+ backend.

 

[Zacfoldor]

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic?

Are you happy now, lol:

2tb PCIE SSD - $119.16
RX 7700 XT - $349.99
16gb Ram - $32.99
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - $159.00
Cheap AM4 mobo - $59.99
Enclosure - $40.00
PSU - $40.00 I see some for as cheap as 25 dollars but never get cheapest possible PSU, raising this to 40 dollars to get at least a name branded psu.

TOTAL: $801.13

Edit: My back is killing me

 

[Gaiff]

JFC this is almost as bad as the Linus/PS5 SSD fiasco. Dumbass didn't do his homework. Too much stupid shit he got wrong to list out.

It’s Jay2Centz. You watch this guy for entertainment, not education.

Not many guys in the PC tech space are reliable when it comes to consoles because they tend to have an aversion to them and will grossly downplay them.

People really need to stop putting a 7700 XT in there. The PS5’s PC equivalent will very likely be something like the 8700 XT.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Cyberpunk was built for a 1.8TF machine

And Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal were build for Switch. /s

What was build for PS4/XB1 was the massive downgrade.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I stopped PC gaming because the chair hurt my back.

I tried the mythical long HDMI cord to get it to my TV, but then UIs were all fucked up and small and shitty and I didn't have anywhere to scroll with my mouse.

I'm sure you can make a gaming PC work as a convenient wireless couch system for the mancave in the shop, but I just prefer the ease of use of the PS5 Pro. It's only 100 dollars more than I would have been happy with and I'll use it for 5 years so screw it. Why not. I won't want to be bothered with things, I just want to plug and play with the best graphics possible and money is an object. I'm in IT. I've built a dozen gaming PCs LATELY for friends and a new one for myself a few years ago. Your IT guy will tell you, convenience is king. I lost the stars in my eyes for PC gaming benefits long ago.

I stopped PC gaming on chair and couch because hurt my back. Now I play on a mattress with controllers or mouse+kb.

 

[Three]

And Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal were build for Switch. /s

What was build for PS4/XB1 was the massive downgrade.

In the same vein TLOU2 was built for the 4.2TF PS4 Pro and not the 1.8TF PS4 it also got a simultaneous release on, yes?

Seeing as Pro released in 2016 and TLOU2 in 2020. Means nothing if it was a target for release.

 

[twilo99]

People really need to stop putting a 7700 XT in there. The PS5’s PC equivalent will very likely be something like the 8700 XT.

Considering AMD’s pledge for “budget” GPUs going forward the 8700xt is likely to be the same price or lower than the current 7700xt, so just think of it as place holder for that price bracket.

I doubt the PS5 pro would outperform the 7700xt with more than what most consider margin of error anyway.

 

[rodrigolfp]

In the same vein TLOU2 was built for the 4.2TF PS4 Pro and not the 1.8TF PS4 it also got a simultaneous release on, yes?

No.

 

[Gaiff]

I doubt the PS5 pro would outperform the 7700xt with more than what most consider margin of error anyway.

I don't. It will destroy it in RT. Throw in PSSR instead of FSR and it's not much of a contest anymore. Dunno if AMD will have their AI-based FSR out for RDNA4's launch. I suspect they won't.

 

[ChiefDada]

HFW Frame : Gamma Correct PS5 Pro vs 4070S

 

[MisterXDTV]

I don't. It will destroy it in RT. Throw in PSSR instead of FSR and it's not much of a contest anymore. Dunno if AMD will have their AI-based FSR out for RDNA4's launch. I suspect they won't.

Agreed, RDNA 4 Ray Tracing + PSSR make this a no contest...

 

[twilo99]

I don't. It will destroy it in RT. Throw in PSSR instead of FSR and it's not much of a contest anymore. Dunno if AMD will have their AI-based FSR out for RDNA4's launch. I suspect they won't.

You might be right about RT but we will find out soon enough anyway.

 

[twilo99]

5700x3D and 7800XT are both great “bang for buck” propositions so I’ll try to put something together around that and see if I can keep in at a $1000

I'm not sure about this case, it's... very cheap so maybe it's just falls apart?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VjKf6D

 

[ChiefDada]

 

[proandrad]

PS5 pro overpriced takes aging like milk.

 

[tmlDan]

PS5 pro overpriced takes aging like milk.

question really is, was the enhanced ray tracing and new feature set worth the increased price? That'll be up to the consumer i guess and i would assume that Sony is gonna use the pro as a test for the PS6, to see how we react

 

[rodrigolfp]

RX 7700 XT - $349.99

Again, RX 7700XT doesn't do AI upscaling.

 

[Sleepwalker]

These comparisons with AMD GPU's are hot garbage. It's a nice theoretical excercise but if someone came to me and asked me to build a gaming PC for $700 I would just rather have him buy a console 9 times out of 10. The other 1 time is when the person can be convinced to spend $500+ more or so to get actual good parts.

Realistically I would also have them grab a base PS5 over the pro tho.

 

[proandrad]

These comparisons with AMD GPU's are hot garbage. It's a nice theoretical excercise but if someone came to me and asked me to build a gaming PC for $700 I would just rather have him buy a console 9 times out of 10. The other 1 time is when the person can be convinced to spend $500+ more or so to get actual good parts.

Realistically I would also have them grab a base PS5 over the pro tho.

I would tell them to go buy a steam deck. If your budget is under 1k for a gaming pc you ain’t ready for a gaming pc.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Much better CPU cuz u gotta have some self respect after all

Here is another take but I dunno that's too much

1. Why put a 1 TB SSD when the PS5 Pro has a 2 TB SSD?
2. Why add the disk drive cost to the PS5 Pro when PCs also don't have a disk drive?
3. I don't see the cost of a mouse / keyboard / controller in that PC component list.
4. The tweet mentions Game Pass but doesn't add its price, artificially inflating the numbers. He also mentions "higher fidelity and frame rates" but that's not the case as the performance of this PC will be similar to the PS5 Pro.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

LOL

 

[Heisenberg007]

"$700 is too expensive for me. So instead I should make a $2,000 PC."

 

[hinch7]

Destins face is priceless lol.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Why add the disk drive cost to the PS5 Pro when PCs also don't have a disk drive?

Because PC doesn't need as you can find every single game digitally one way or another.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Because PC doesn't need as you can find every single game digitally one way or another.

That's not the point.

If they are comparing the price of a PS5 Pro with a similarly-specced PC, they should not be adding the price of the disk-drive accessory, as that wouldn't be an apt comparison.

PCs are digital with no disk drives. So the PS5 Pro should also be digital with no disk drives.

 

[rodrigolfp]

That's not the point.

If they are comparing the price of a PS5 Pro with a similarly-specced PC, they should not be adding the price of the disk-drive accessory, as that wouldn't be an apt comparison.

PCs are digital with no disk drives. So the PS5 Pro should also be digital with no disk drives.

A PC without disk drive doesn't lose access to any game. A PS5 without disk drive loses access to tons of games.

 

[Heisenberg007]

A PC without disk drive doesn't lose access to any game. A PS5 without disk drive loses access to tons of games.

I do not understand this argument at all. Do most PS5 games only get physical releases exclusively, and not digital ones?

If not, this argument isn't a valid one.

 

[rodrigolfp]

1. I don't see the cost of a mouse / keyboard / controller in that PC component list.
2. The tweet mentions Game Pass but doesn't add its price, artificially inflating the numbers. He also mentions "higher fidelity and frame rates" but that's not the case as the performance of this PC will be similar to the PS5 Pro.

Controller is optional on PC.
There are tons of games on that PC that will see higher fidelity and frame rates because they have unlocked resolutions and frame rates, and the most important, better input lag even at the same frame rate.

I do not understand this argument at all. Do most PS5 games only get physical releases exclusively, and not digital ones?

If not, this argument isn't a valid one.

Every PS5 game, including from retro compatibility, have digital versions?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Controller is optional on PC.
There are tons of games on that PC that will see higher fidelity and frame rates because they have unlocked resolutions and frame rates, and the most important, better input lag even at the same frame rate.

Controller / Keyboard / Mouse.

You'll need something. Otherwise, you can't play games. I see no input device on this list.

Every PS5 game, including from retro compatibility, have digital versions?

As far as I know, almost every PS5 game that is playable natively on a PS5 has a digital version. At the very least, the overwhelming majority.

But again, this is a completely tangential, useless line of argument. We're not comparing the pros and cons of the two platforms. Otherwise, one could also argue that PS5 exclusives won't be available on PC at launch.

We're just making a PC that has similar specs as a PS5 Pro. And since PCs don't have disk drives, one shouldn't add the disk drive accessory to the PS5 Pro.

 

[hinch7]

"$700 is too expensive for me. So instead I should make a $2,000 PC."

It isn't that expensive. Maybe $1300 max, for a quality picked mid range system like a 5700X3D + 4070 Super. Which would run circles around the PS5 Pro.

For better value get to a local Micro Center pick up an 12th gen Intel CPU motherboard+ram combo 12600KF with a 4070 Super for maybe $1100 for a complete PC build. And that isn't 'that' far off a PS5 Pro, accessories and a year or two worth of PS+.

There's peripherials as well but thats another can of worms.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Controller / Keyboard / Mouse.

You'll need something. Otherwise, you can't play games. I see no input device on this list.

That's why I said "Controller is optional on PC."

As far as I know, almost every PS5 game that is playable natively on a PS5 has a digital version. At the very least, the overwhelming majority.

But again, this is a completely tangential, useless line of argument. We're not comparing the pros and cons of the two platforms. Otherwise, one could also argue that PS5 exclusives won't be available on PC at launch.

We're just making a PC that has similar specs as a PS5 Pro. And since PCs don't have disk drives, one shouldn't add the disk drive accessory to the PS5 Pro.

If there is at least 1 game that the PS5 can run that needs disk drive, you will lose a PS5 "function" without the drive. It's about not losing access to any game of the library, not pros or cons of the two platforms.

 

[simpatico]

PSSR will be the make it or break it. A lot of people here think DLSS is the absolute floor in terms of potential quality. I see that as shots fired at AMD and Intel since they've been trying to make software like that for years now, and if PSSR is close to FSR or XeSS the price... isn't great. I even think "only" matching DLSS will cause a little side eye. Their expectations are pretty in line with what a good value prop would be. We just have to see if Sony's software team pulled it off. The sweet opiate of "PSSR 2 will fix it" will be enough to get some people by even if the quality is realistic.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

So that's $600 dollars for just the GPU and joypad.

Lmao who buys Gamepass with GPUs. Closest thing you buy with a new GPU is a new power supply.

 

[twilo99]

That's not the point.

If they are comparing the price of a PS5 Pro with a similarly-specced PC, they should not be adding the price of the disk-drive accessory, as that wouldn't be an apt comparison.

PCs are digital with no disk drives. So the PS5 Pro should also be digital with no disk drives.

What do we do about the stand? We don’t really have an equivalent in the PC world.

 

[winjer]

Are you happy now, lol:

2tb PCIE SSD - $119.16
RX 7700 XT - $349.99
16gb Ram - $32.99
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - $159.00
Cheap AM4 mobo - $59.99
Enclosure - $40.00
PSU - $40.00 I see some for as cheap as 25 dollars but never get cheapest possible PSU, raising this to 40 dollars to get at least a name branded psu.

TOTAL: $801.13

Edit: My back is killing me

One advice. Never, ever, skimp on the PSU.
It's the most important component in any PC. In part for performance, as a bad PSU can throttle components. And a good PSU can save some electricity.
But the main reason is for stability and safety. A bad PSU can cause crashes and at worst, it can damage components.

40$ is not enough for a good PSU. At least save around 100€ for it and get a reputable brand.

 

[Spukc]

Pc ports can be so shit
That i runs glitchy even on an rtx 4090
2,5K card

Pc gaming is fucked. I still like it.. but i recommend pc gaming only on a sale and far after launch… on a sale. Day games i prefer on consolas

 

[YeulEmeralda]

PC parts in Europe seem more expensive which is appropriate since it kinda matches the EU/US price difference for the PS5

21% VAT.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Pc ports can be so shit
That i runs glitchy even on an rtx 4090
2,5K card

Pc gaming is fucked. I still like it.. but i recommend pc gaming only on a sale and far after launch… on a sale. Day games i prefer on consolas

Played both Wukong and Space Marine 2 at launch on my allegedly mid-tier GPU (4070 Super). Had 0 issues.

Works on my machine.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

5700x3D and 7800XT are both great “bang for buck” propositions so I’ll try to put something together around that and see if I can keep in at a $1000

Use a Ryzen 5 8400 F and a hypothetical RTX 5060ti for $400.

Thats what Pro will be competing against realistically.

8400 F will keep future upgrade paths open for at least till 2030.

 

[MarV0]

I stopped PC gaming because the chair hurt my back.

I tried the mythical long HDMI cord to get it to my TV, but then UIs were all fucked up and small and shitty and I didn't have anywhere to scroll with my mouse.

That's a problem indeed in some games if you mix display resolutions. However, most games now use borderless fullscreen which automatically picks your desktops resolution.

Also, If your monitor and TV are both 4k then the experience is seamless.

 

[Heisenberg007]

What do we do about the stand? We don’t really have an equivalent in the PC world.

The horizontal stand comes with the box. The vertical one doesn't.

This isn't a problem at all. But the other things I mentioned are definite parity issues.

 

[Spukc]

Played both Wukong and Space Marine 2 at launch on my allegedly mid-tier GPU (4070 Super). Had 0 issues.

Works on my machine.

Yes that’s the problem it works well for some.
Not for everyone..

Deadspace remake was fucking broken on day 1

Surprised the 4070ti can even run games like warhammer tho. That card is low tier thb

 

[TintoConCasera]

Surprised the 4070ti can even run games like warhammer tho. That card is low tier thb

If running the latest shit at 4K/60fps with all the crap turned to max is low tier then yeah I guess it is.

 

[twilo99]

Use a Ryzen 5 8400 F and a hypothetical RTX 5060ti for $400.

Thats what Pro will be competing against realistically.

8400 F will keep future upgrade paths open for at least till 2030.

Good point.

What many fail to grasp is that the game-changer is the PS5 Pro's price point, edging towards the $1000 mark. This is significant, as it's enough to assemble a competitive PC. Thus, with AMD and Nvidia set to release their new GPUs, the PC proposition becomes even more appealing. The 5060ti will be interesting, but I'm more interested in what AMD launch with since they've committed to the low/mid tier GPU game.

I've primarily used the 7700/7800xt as a reference for a price bracket, which I believe offers performance that is "close enough." However, with the release of new GPUs, this project will become even more straightforward.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It’s Jay2Centz. You watch this guy for entertainment, not education.

Not many guys in the PC tech space are reliable when it comes to consoles because they tend to have an aversion to them and will grossly downplay them.

People really need to stop putting a 7700 XT in there. The PS5’s PC equivalent will very likely be something like the 8700 XT.

Folks also need to account for the poor PC ports and stuttering.

 

[Bavarian_Sloth]

Yes that’s the problem it works well for some.
Not for everyone..

Deadspace remake was fucking broken on day 1

Surprised the 4070ti can even run games like warhammer tho. That card is low

The magic word is machine learning upscaling, which the PS5 and Xbox unfortunately (just) missed in 2020. (I don't even want to start talking about hardware-supported image generation...)

DLSS can now upscale even a 720p image to 4k relatively smoothly, so the image quality is acceptable.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Good point.

What many fail to grasp is that the game-changer is the PS5 Pro's price point, edging towards the $1000 mark. This is significant, as it's enough to assemble a competitive PC. Thus, with AMD and Nvidia set to release their new GPUs, the PC proposition becomes even more appealing. The 5060ti will be interesting, but I'm more interested in what AMD launch with since they've committed to the low/mid tier GPU game.

I've primarily used the 7700/7800xt as a reference for a price bracket, which I believe offers performance that is "close enough." However, with the release of new GPUs, this project will become even more straightforward.

I heard rumours that AMD will launch their proper step up cards in 2026 with their own AI based upscaling. That will be next after upcoming generation. Thats why they are not investing much time in 8xxx series cards.

Either ways, either them or Nvidia will offer upgrades within 6 months.