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Microsoft's plan of not wanting to sell consoles is smooth sailing.
Don’t believe a word this guy says. He thought Xbox live was free for life.Water isn't wet, water makes things wet.
Microsoft also knew this, that’s why they tried to go in another direction because they can’t compete in the console market.
This! Sony has no where near as much cash on hand as Microsoft. What fanboys need to understand is that this is business. Xbox does not have access to "the largest war chest of cash" I don't understand why they think Xbox has free reign on that cash?!?! They read that Microsoft is has moved past 1 Trillion and some how they are bolstered by it, like if Xbox wanted to they could just buy up the industry... no, they can't. In all honesty, Playstation might have a longer leash, in terms of spending, with Sony than Xbox has with Microsoft strictly based on the fact of how important Playstation is to Sony's bottom line.
This is not accurate. They can't win the console market but they can certainly compete for some market share. They also have PC and whatever they get from streaming.
I am curious how many millions of playstations are bought by predominantly PC games like me that collect dust for years, only to be brushed off for a big exclusive.... which they buy used on ebay 6 months after release.
I have to laugh at the fanboys who have set to attempt redefining the rules of success as no longer being about hardware but subscribers and monthly active users
Deep in that MS kool aid
yup they were wrong there...
Its high for the simple reason is that Xbox does a better job of selling games then sony. They have made gaming "snackable" with game pass, and in general gamers on Xbox purchase a higher percentage of games.How is xbox gaming revenue so high ? Despite not selling that many consoles ? I always wondered.
AFAIK it's higher than 2:1
RROD and Microsoft's habit of not supporting their consoles much in the final third of their life didn't help.Well here In Europe the Xbox is literally a non existant machine.
Haven't met a single person owning an Xbox one to this date.
Back in 360 days that wasn't the case, the brand is damaged beyond repair as a console, that's why it gets a soft facelift and will take off as a service.
I am pretty sure with the latest data we have, Playstation's Profit in the last financial year is more than Xbox's revenue in the same period. But carry on. Don't let me stop you.
Microsoft's habit of not supporting their consoles much in the final third of their life didn't help.
RROD and Microsoft's habit of not supporting their consoles much in the final third of their life didn't help.
Does it matter? The 360 didn't do much outside of English speaking countries either. Still sold 90 million.
They have been wrong before.
How is xbox gaming revenue so high ? Despite not selling that many consoles ? I always wondered.
It said 2 to 1 so if PS5 sell 100-110 mill than Xbox will do 50-60 mill it basic math really and you underestimate Xbox they basically sold 50 mill this gen after they had 1 of the worst new console announcement ever and this time around there is no major fuck up so yeah interpret that how you will.I would be shocked if Xbox's sales are that high next gen
Here is what a ‘perfect storm’ might look like. This assumes the Xbox launch is lackluster without launch window first party next-gen software, while the PS5’s price is very competitive, has launch window first party next generation software, and major timed exclusives:
Such a scenario would be highly unlikely unless Microsoft has truly sabotaged itself with the mismanagement of launch window next generation software and promoted a business strategy that offends major 3rd party publishers and studios. The PS5 has lifetime sales of around 170 million, while the Xbox only sells around 25 million, a ratio of over 6:1. PS6 launches in 2025-2026.
Previous Playstation lifetime sales records were around 150 million, so 10-15% more may not be crazy.
Where does the chart come from?
Are you sure?Its high for the simple reason is that Xbox does a better job of selling games then sony
Does it look official? LOL!
Speadsheets are pretty handy for these sorts of things, so please take it with ample skepticism.
I mean what data did you use to make your predictions with.
...PS5 shipments may reach 120 – 170 million units during its five years, beating the PS4’s 110 million. That would put it close to, or even beat, the PS2, which sold over 155 million.
Market Capital is the total value of a business' shares.According to the articles to which the links below lead, Microsoft is worth one trillion dollars and Sony is worth 78.7 billion dollars. So, wouldn't Microsoft have over 900 billion dollars left?
Microsoft is now worth over $1 trillion
A stunning run since Satya Nadella's 2014 promotion to CEO.www.google.com
How much is sony worth: Updated 2020 | List of all products : MobilePlusApp
Maybe it will surprise you when seeing how much sony net worth but when we see the quality of sony products like PlayStation Sony cameras and TVs and more..mobileplusapp.com
'' Winning '' the console market is really just a matter of ego and bragging rights that mostly only people on forums care about..
So what if Sony sells a lot more consoles?
In the end it's not actually what matters.
It's the games that make money and console gaming is a niche in comparison with the PC and mobile market.
If Microsoft genuinely wanted to rule the console market they could, they could even just buy Sony if they wanted to.
People aren't trying to redefine anything, we never even agreed on a definition to begin with people are just disagreeing with you.
Sure.'' Winning '' the console market is really just a matter of ego and bragging rights that mostly only people on forums care about.
There are A LOT more PC players and mobile gaming is a force of its own.
All that Microsoft really needs to do if they're dipping so hard into the PC and mobile market is to dip a little bit into the console market too.
So what if Sony sells a lot more consoles?
In the end it's not actually what matters.
Yes it can. But that didn't go so well for Sony with the PS3.Hardware can be sold at a loss.
Which is why having a powerful brand and high volume is important in this business. You also don't dump money into a loss-leading product in a niche market. That's abject foolishness.It's the games that make money and console gaming is a niche in comparison with the PC and mobile market.
Selling the most consoles is like a pointless dick measuring contest, there's more nuance to this which is also why Microsoft are doing what they're doing.
If Microsoft genuinely wanted to rule the console market they could, they could even just buy Sony if they wanted to.
There is nothing to worry about. The baseline is not set by the cheapest console; the baseline is set by the biggest install base. PS5 would win that easily.Hopefully PS5 install base maintains a Sony baseline for dev specs. Especially important with a Lockheart Xbox rumour potentially causing watered down visuals where higher end is not taken advantage off except resolution.
PS5 will sell 170 million units (20 million more than PS2 and 50 million more than PS4)Here is what a ‘perfect storm’ might look like. This assumes the Xbox launch is lackluster without launch window first party next-gen software, while the PS5’s price is very competitive, has launch window first party next generation software, and major timed exclusives:
Such a scenario would be highly unlikely unless Microsoft has truly sabotaged itself with the mismanagement of launch window next generation software and promoted a business strategy that offends major 3rd party publishers and studios. The PS5 has lifetime sales of around 170 million, while the Xbox only sells around 25 million, a ratio of over 6:1. PS6 launches in 2025-2026.
Previous Playstation lifetime sales records were around 150 million, so 10-15% more may not be crazy.
Not all peoples love cats and dogs, also an eunuch would prefer a kick in the nuts compared to a condescending head pat... you are fired.How do I get to be a financial analyst? I think I got this! Ahem, here goes...
"Saturday expected to follow Friday"
"People like puppies and kittens"
"A pat on the head is preferable to a kick in the nuts"
I can do this all day!
SeX and Lockhart combined will sell 25 million units (half of Xbox One)
1. We don't know Series S would even launch at this point. This is August, if it exists we would have seen hardware leaks by now with production ramping.1. XSS will be the cheapest console
2. The XSX will not be $100 more expensive than PS5 like Xbox One was compared to PS4
3. PS5 will not have the power advantage
4. Game Pass will be there at launch instead of 4.5 years after launch
5. Messaging is way better than with Xbox One
6. Launching with a Halo
7. BC from the get go, didn't it take a couple years for Xbox One to get it?
8. Much better looking future exclusives like Avowed, Fable, Scorn, etc
With that said can you explain how this would be possible because it seems pretty laughable.
I agree with this (if advantages are really there in the end) but there is something i was not thinking about until recently.1. XSS will be the cheapest console
2. The XSX will not be $100 more expensive than PS5 like Xbox One was compared to PS4
3. PS5 will not have the power advantage
4. Game Pass will be there at launch instead of 4.5 years after launch
5. Messaging is way better than with Xbox One
6. Launching with a Halo
7. BC from the get go, didn't it take a couple years for Xbox One to get it?
8. Much better looking future exclusives like Avowed, Fable, Scorn, etc
With that said can you explain how this would be possible because it seems pretty laughable.
1. We don't know Series S would even launch at this point. This is August, if it exists we would have seen hardware leaks by now with production ramping.
2. We absolutely don't know the price difference. Especially since historically this forum under-estimate price of Xbox hardware while over-estimate the price of Playstation hardware.
3. Playstation never needed the power advantage to win. It only had power this gen by pure accident.
4. Good luck gambling your all on Gamepass.
5. I would say lying about Halo Infinite "being built from the ground up for Series X" is very bad messaging.
6. Good luck launching with an Xbox One game as your crowning jewel for next gen.
7. BC only matters to make it harder for existing customers to leave, it doesn't get you new customers.
8. None of them are available for 2 years after launch.
They were basically going with PS3 and Xbox 360 projections, but reversed the PS4(Xbox 360) and Xbox one (PS3) sales projections. That's pretty much on the money where that gens hardware ended up with PS3 actually overcoming 360s lead by the end of it.They predicted 45 million consoles sold by 2020? Maybe they drank the consoles are dead kool aid back then?
The Japanese gaming market is pathetic nowadays.
The PS4 only sold 9 million consoles.
Europe and English speaking countries are where the action is.
The Xbox One sold around 50 million units so far.
That is after a shit console launch, $100 more expensive and a less than stellar first party showing.
This gen they have the most powerful console, have invested in new studios and games, has got gamepass and x cloud rolling out. They do better than last gen.
If the PS5 sells 100 million, and the XSX 75 million, MS jumps for joy and makes a ton of cash.
1. Well there was that photo of PS5 in a chinese factory that was accidentally released. So there are leaks. Really, at this point Series S is more wishful thinking than reality. There is no time to reveal it now.1. Where were the leaks for PS5 and XSX?
2. You think MS would let Sony have a $100 price advantage again?
3. Power isn't required but it is a nice bonus and they don't have it this time.
4. Game Pass is a bonus, has 12 million+ subs(estimate going by 10+ in April), They are still releasing games like normal. It's still a fact that it's launching with this Bonus and I forgot Xcloud which will be just as much of a factor.
5. Nowhere near as bad as E3 2013 FACT. Only meme spreading fanboys in this console war bubble care as much as you.
6. Graphics aren't everything. Zelda had terrible graphics at launch compared to the best games on PS4 and Xbox One. Gameplay matters more or else Fortnite wouldn't be stomping a mudhole in every online shooter. Besides, what other FTP online shooter looks better? Maybe you'd like their art style more, but Halo is no slouch when compared to the competetion.
7. BC absolutely matters when a new console is considered especially when Game Pass is factor. Immediate access to 300+ games for $15 a month. Forza Horizon will be the prettiest racer, Gears 5 the best looking TPS, Ori the prettiest side scroller, etc
8. And when are PS exclusives coming? MS will have just as many.
Also, your whole argument seems to be based on me saying it will sell better than PS5. No, my argument is that there is no way it sells half as much as Xbox One.
1. Well there was that photo of PS5 in a chinese factory that was accidentally released. So there are leaks. Really, at this point Series S is more wishful thinking than reality. There is no time to reveal it now.
2. It doesn't matter what MS wants, MS always over-prices their hardware above what game forum expected. You can talk about warchest all you like, that never worked out.
3. Playstation didn't have a power advantage historically, it doesn't stop past Playstations from dominating. So my point is that it barely matters.
4. Gamepass is not that profitable and most claims of its importance comes from future expectations, not current success. Either way, Xbox has hitched to wagon to Gamepass and it lives or dies by it now. The fate is sealed either way.
5. The fact is Xbox PR has basically destroyed all trust. No one really believe anything they say anymore, because they already lied too much. The only difference is that an Xbox fan would assume Xbox PR is hiding something good (like the mythical Series S/Lockhart), rather than hiding something bad (like the lack of Series X exclusive 1st party games for 2 years).
6. If Graphics aren't everything, then maybe Series X shouldn't be over-engineered to the point that they couldn't use it for the Showcase, despite it being 4 months away from launch.
7. We will see if any of that is true, once we actually see Series X running games. Because I am sure no one has seen it do that yet outside of game studios.
8. You remind me of a fan last year, who claim that Sony not announcing what they are doing for so long must mean they are not doing anything at all. That if Playstation isn't constantly reporting to the media about their projects that it means they must not have any projects.
Finally, yes, there is a way for Series X to sell worse than Xbox One. Because i have seen many console companies die by this point, I saw what had happened before can happen again. Your assumption that Xbox can live forever holding onto its current install base, is not realistic. Nintendo worked really hard to get the lost fans to return for Switch after wiiU, it didn't occur by itself for nothing. There is no baseline; if you mess up, your customer base will drop further.