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Fuck this shit.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Dunno man, Chapa made a good case of why you should be calm about stuff like this.

;p

I'm not talking about how he spends his money

I'm not rich, so I can only be $500 wasting calm for a few hours at a time lol

I am back online in GTA so grinding levels for the night then a little Destiny grinding is how I want my money spent

I did not spend money to post calmly about hackers kicking me out of those thing

 

[gdt]

All the way back on so far.

 

[emko]

PSN is down for maintenance that's that pops up when i try to login on the PS4

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

;p

I'm not talking about how he spends his money

I'm not rich, so I can only be $500 wasting calm for a few hours at a time lol

I am back online in GTA so grinding levels for the night then a little Destiny grinding is how I want my money spent

I did not spend money to post calmly about hackers kicking me out of those thing

Well, we are not exactly Sony costumer service.

 

[LapinAgile]

I think the compensation talk comes from the fact that this group has demonstrated they can do this seemingly whenever they decide to do so and there is no tangible plan or system in place to stop them. I can forgive a thunderstorm cutting off power etc (to an extent) MS and Sony need to find a way to address this, I am sure it is just as frustrating for them as it is for the people who want to use their services.

 

[LifEndz]

Just signed in to Destiny. NYC.

 

[FalconLorenzo]

Oh, i'm perfectly well aware of what a DDoS is. I've been on the internet since the very beginning.
That doesn't change the fact that we are entitled to some form of compensation if this is going to happen pretty often.

I really don't think you are. Under the contract between you and Sony, Sony only has the duty to take reasonable measures to ensure that PSN is functional. I don't see what reasonable measures can be taken to mitigate a DDoS attack. You are an awe-inspiring cheapskate, but I guess don't buy it again if you just want to bitch about intervening acts rendering service impractical.

 

[Kei-]

Couldn't log in before, was just able to log in here in New Jersey.

 

[Handy Fake]

I think the compensation talk comes from the fact that this group has demonstrated they can do this seemingly whenever they decide to do so and there is no tangible plan or system in place to stop them. I can forgive a thunderstorm cutting off power etc (to an extent) MS and Sony need to find a way to address this, I am sure it is just as frustrating for them as it is for the people who want to use their services.

There's no real way to stop it, though. That's the problem.

I may be wrong, but as I understand it it's viruses planted on unknowing folks computers that are the issue. Perhaps that's the place to start.

 

[theWB27]

I didn't start any discussion, most of you did. I only stated my point regarding this issue and an angry mob of Sony employees backlashed me for it for no reason.

Because ''How dare you ask for compensation even when you pay to play online?''

You posted on a public forum....therefore your posts are open for discussion.

2nd highlight....more condescension.

How dare you not exercise your right to not use a product you don't think is performing.

If something as bad as the hack happens again....yeah Sony should do something about that.

These intermittent downtimes we have with PSN is a choice YOU keep making to engage in despite your knowledge of its history. Your choice to deal with the intermittent makes your cry for free stuff a tad bit moot.

 

[Oppo]

I just grabbed the free PvZ via iPhone PS app about 20 seconds ago from Canada. fwiw.

 

[LapinAgile]

There's no real way to stop it, though. That's the problem.

I may be wrong, but as I understand it it's viruses planted on unknowing folks computers that are the issue. Perhaps that's the place to start.

Yeah it's a really tough problem to solve. I just get why people are upset... I don't necessarily feel that passionately about it but I get it. I would never suggest it's an easy fix but these assholes have demonstrated that this is going to be a continual issue.

 

[ChapaNDJ]

I really don't think you are. Under the contract between you and Sony, Sony only has the duty to take reasonable measures to ensure that PSN is functional. I don't see what reasonable measures can be taken to mitigate a DDoS attack. You are an awe-inspiring cheapskate, but I guess don't buy it again if you just want to bitch about intervening acts rendering service impractical.

But i'am calm. Sipping some green tea as we speak. I can be here all night for all i care.
Under the contract they are entitled to provide a fully working service, if Sony can't handle the issue and leave players in the dark, the reasonable thing to do is to compensate for the lost days. Its common sense, it's not like i'm asking for a free console or games. Get over it and don't call it bitching just because you happen to disagree with it.

You posted on a public forum....therefore your posts are open for discussion.

Well, have the argue whatever you want about it, there's nothing wrong with asking for compensation.

2nd highlight....more condescension.

Maybe because that's the best way to describe it. GAF has always been like this when it comes to Sony products so no surprises here.

How dare you not exercise your right to not use a product you don't think is performing.

If something as bad as the hack happens again....yeah Sony should do something about that.

These intermittent downtimes we have with PSN is a choice YOU keep making to engage in despite your knowledge of its history. Your choice to deal with the intermittent makes your cry for free stuff a tad bit moot.

I'm not asking for free stuff but the days that are lost. Good lord, is it really that hard to understand?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Well, we are not exactly Sony costumer service.

yeah but what do you expect from a monthly 'is PSN down?' thread ;p

 

[EatMyFace]

There's no real way to stop it, though. That's the problem.

I may be wrong, but as I understand it it's viruses planted on unknowing folks computers that are the issue. Perhaps that's the place to start.

Let's get Apple to give everyone free Macs. I know there's viruses on Mac too but they are far more secure than Windows.

 

[Handy Fake]

Yeah it's a really tough problem to solve. I just get why people are upset... I don't necessarily feel that passionately about it but I get it. I would never suggest it's an easy fix but these assholes have demonstrated that this is going to be a continual issue.

Oh completely, I agree. I just think sometimes people find it easier to blame the first face they see, rather than the real perpetrators, if you get me. Sony are an easy target as it's them who get the consumer's money, but all the ire should be directed at the dickless fucktrumpets who think they're being clever by pissing everyone off.

Let's get Apple to give everyone free Macs. I know there's viruses on Mac too but they are far more secure than Windows.

Apple Macs have the dubious pleasure of being infectable with the Kaiten virus, which is a DDOS bug.

 

[Handy Fake]

Whoopsadaisy.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Yeah it's a really tough problem to solve. I just get why people are upset... I don't necessarily feel that passionately about it but I get it. I would never suggest it's an easy fix but these assholes have demonstrated that this is going to be a continual issue.

Well, one good way to at least discourage it is not doing a new thread every time they feel that they need to forget about their mommy and daddy issues. Many posters like to create a thread about them every time they fart. A single thread will at least maintain the discussion and lower the "panic".

 

[Afrikan]

works fine for me...

thank god..was worried I missed on the free games.

 

[velcry]

But i have dignity and i stand for what is right even if it means replying to 10 comments of people trying to troll my post.
Give it up already.

TLDR: If Sony breaches its reasonable standard of care to you, then you can expect compensation. Given the nature of a DDOS attack, it's not reasonable for Sony to protect 100% against it, hence you should not expect compensation.

Actually, I empathize with you insofar as you have certain expectations from a paid service, and those expectations have not been met.

I think the reason why so many posters here don't agree with you is because a bit more finesse is required in apportioning "blame", which is an essential component of determining whether compensation should be given.

At its core, the question is: did Sony breach its duty of care to you, its paying customer?

That is answered by looking at what standard of care Sony owes to you, and whether it lived up to that standard. We can all agree that Sony has to have, for example, a dedicated task force committed to maintaining its network. Sony would clearly be in the wrong if it didn't hire trained personnel to do so, and instead asked its marketing department to double up on IT duty.

But as the standard of care goes up, the less reasonable it is for Sony to satisfy that standard. At some point you'll say, yeah ok, Sony you don't have to spend millions to build in anti-sunflare protection into your server farms, because that standard of care is no longer reasonable.

That's what the other posters are driving at when they discuss a DDOS attack. My understanding is that it's one of those things that you could probably protect against, in theory, but the costs of doing so are phenomenal and unreasonable in this specific context.

Trust me, if it turns out that this downtime is the result of some guy accidentally tripping over a power cable and shutting down core servers, instead of say a DDOS attack, then everyone here would be on your side and demanding compensation as well.

 

[LapinAgile]

Well, one good way to at least discourage it is not doing a new thread every time they feel that they need to forget about their mommy and daddy issues. Many posters like to create a thread about them every time they fart. A single thread will at least maintain the discussion and lower the "panic".

The console war idiocy on twitter feeds them as well. Can't twitter just cancel that account?

 

[Punkster_NY]

back up for me. Yay!

 

[Handy Fake]

TLDR: If Sony breaches its reasonable standard of care to you, then you can expect compensation. Given the nature of a DDOS attack, it's not reasonable for Sony to protect 100% against it, hence you should not expect compensation.

Actually, I empathize with you insofar as you have certain expectations from a paid service, and those expectations have not been met.

I think the reason why so many posters here don't agree with you is because a bit more finesse is required in apportioning "blame", which is an essential component of determining whether compensation should be given.

At its core, the question is: did Sony breach its duty of care to you, its paying customer?

That is answered by looking at what standard of care Sony owes to you, and whether it lived up to that standard. We can all agree that Sony has to have, for example, a dedicated task force committed to maintaining its network. Sony would clearly be in the wrong if it didn't hire trained personnel to do so, and instead asked its marketing department to double up on IT duty.

But as the standard of care goes up, the less reasonable it is for Sony to satisfy that standard. At some point you'll say, yeah ok, Sony you don't have to spend millions to build in anti-sunflare protection into your server farms, because that standard of care is no longer reasonable.

That's what the other posters are driving at when they discuss a DDOS attack. My understanding is that it's one of those things that you could probably protect against, in theory, but the costs of doing so are phenomenal and unreasonable in this specific context.

Trust me, if it turns out that this downtime is the result of some guy accidentally tripping over a power cable and shutting down core servers, instead of say a DDOS attack, then everyone here would be on your side and demanding compensation as well.

If I wasn't married to the sea, I'd take you in my arms this instant. Arr.

 

[theWB27]

TLDR: If Sony breaches its reasonable standard of care to you, then you can expect compensation. Given the nature of a DDOS attack, it's not reasonable for Sony to protect 100% against it, hence you should not expect compensation.

Actually, I empathize with you insofar as you have certain expectations from a paid service, and those expectations have not been met.

I think the reason why so many posters here don't agree with you is because a bit more finesse is required in apportioning "blame", which is an essential component of determining whether compensation should be given.

At its core, the question is: did Sony breach its duty of care to you, its paying customer?

That is answered by looking at what standard of care Sony owes to you, and whether it lived up to that standard. We can all agree that Sony has to have, for example, a dedicated task force committed to maintaining its network. Sony would clearly be in the wrong if it didn't hire trained personnel to do so, and instead asked its marketing department to double up on IT duty.

But as the standard of care goes up, the less reasonable it is for Sony to satisfy that standard. At some point you'll say, yeah ok, Sony you don't have to spend millions to build in anti-sunflare protection into your server farms, because that standard of care is no longer reasonable.

That's what the other posters are driving at when they discuss a DDOS attack. My understanding is that it's one of those things that you could probably protect against, in theory, but the costs of doing so are phenomenal and unreasonable in this specific context.

Trust me, if it turns out that this downtime is the result of some guy accidentally tripping over a power cable and shutting down core servers, instead of say a DDOS attack, then everyone here would be on your side and demanding compensation as well.

 

[Mr Moose]

Is it back up? I just logged in after seeing this thread.

Also, fuck those Lizard bastards!

 

[Talon]

You know that ToS you agreed to?

There's a Limited Liability clause.

 

[bishoptl]

I didn't start any discussion, most of you did. I only stated my point regarding this issue and an angry mob of Sony employees backlashed me for it for no reason.

Because ''How dare you ask for compensation even when you pay to play online?''

#screaming

 

[vypek]

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/541742308425621504

One of the responses from that tweet about Shovel Knight told us it was going to happen. Probably not related to Shovel Knight being announced but someone did say that the plan was there. Don't know if that group was planning it or what. IDK. Is it still down or are people getting back on?

Its kind of pathetic that people are DDoSing.

 

[RexNovis]

^


Keep going, real smart.



I won't take the bait. Ciao



Good for you, don't read it or reply to it.


Just as real as it gets.

If i say i was born in 1987, you would get an idea of how old i'am.


What about it?

Assuming internet started to become fully functional at 1997 where i live, i would say yes. I was actually born in 1987. But its typical of GAF to take things out of context just to attempt to ridiculize other gaffers. Nothing new, really.



I don't drink, except for special events.

Look at the mirror says.
How dare people ask for compensation.
Move along now.

Keep the silly answers coming. That's downright trolling in my book, but hey, whatever makes you happy and help you sleep at night.
At least i don't stand and defend any company. I have dignity which is something you'll always lack.

The fanatism is way too strong for me to handle Sunday at night.
I rest my case as i made my point clear.

/Ignore.

We were talking about FBI catching whoever is behind this.
Maybe they didn't care enough to actually go after the guys that done it.

There's nothing else to talk about. Not sure why some of you keep quoting even after i made my point clear.

Feel free to ignore, you're welcome.

Oh, i'm perfectly well aware of what a DDoS is. I've been on the internet since the very beginning.
That doesn't change the fact that we are entitled to some form of compensation if this is going to happen pretty often.

Because such things never happens on Steam.
So what's wrong with asking for compensation for a service i'm paying for. Get lost.

Then, they need to get their shit together and find whoever is behind it.

Except when the service gets constantly hammered by hackers, just like the last huge PSN hack that happened before that left us in the dark for months.

I still can play online on Steam though, that's the difference. And Steam is free.

Read the previous post, i can still play online on Steam, except Steamwork titles.

Yes, i'am. If i'm paying for something i will stand and defend my rights as a consumer.
Gotta love the people that defend a brand like if it was a member of their family.

I'm defending my point as consumer that constantly gets hit with these hacks. Nothing emotionally about expressing my disgust.

I answered the question, i believe there are must be a way to counter attack such things.

Briarios;142277836 : So, if you're driving to work on the highway, and there is an accident where a pedestrian was hit by a drunk driver ... the pedestrian owes you for time lost?
That doesn't make any sense and it has nothing to do with this.

Why would i? I'm paying for a service to play online to Sony, not the hackers.


*Yawn* You're boring.
What

Not the Ubisoft titles, i can still play them fine.

That's not the issue here, please stop detracting.

Another one, please stop detracting.

I'm perfectly calm and multi-quoting all the fanatics as we speak.
That being said. As a consumer i stand for my rights. Too bad you think its fine for a company to fuck you up whenever they can.

Then back to the beginning we go. Its up to them to catch whoever is doing it before this becomes something regular.

That's different. I'm not paying to use door at the bank. If my bank account gets robbed by some scammer within the bank i would demand compensation, even if it means hiring a lawyer to do so.

True that. Gaben and the FBI caught the guy that stole HL2 back in the day, if i'm not mistaken.

I think I speak for pretty much everyone attempting to have a legitimate discussion in this thread when I say fuck off you ignorant sanctimonious asshole. You contribute nothing here and succeed only in pissing the people with any common sense off. Do what you said you would and STOP POSTING.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, last I read there had been some arrests made in this Lizard Squad group how and why are they still operating if that's the case? DO we know if the FBI is in fact pursuing them? Is there an open investigation?

 

[ChapaNDJ]

I think I speak for pretty much everyone attempting to have a legitimate discussion in this thread when I say fuck off you ignorant sanctimonious asshole. You contribute nothing here and succeed only in pissing the people with any common sense off. Do what you said you would and STOP POSTING.

Nice. Not only you took your time to quote all my posts but also decided to insult me. Of course you just did so i can actually take the bait and insult you as well but i'm not going to lower my standards.
I would have stopped but people decided to flame my post. Don't blame me, blame them. I even offered them to add me to the ignore list.

Also, i read the word ''sanctimonious'' 3 times this day. I guess it must be a trendy word that makes you look cool and more intelligent using it.
I'll tip my christmas hat to you, sir.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

I think I speak for pretty much everyone attempting to have a legitimate discussion in this thread when I say fuck off you ignorant sanctimonious asshole. You contribute nothing here and succeed only in pissing the people with any common sense off. Do what you said you would and STOP POSTING.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, last I read there had been some arrests made in this Lizard Squad group how and why are they still operating if that's the case? DO we know if the FBI is in fact pursuing them? Is there an open investigation?

Lol.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Vita PSN is working fine. Earlier today PS4 seemed ok. Destiny was a bit lag both in Crucible and in Patrols, but that may not have been a PSN issue and could have even been local -side. About to check PS3 and endure the minutes for PSstore to load in order to get a hold of Mirror's Edge, so we'll see how that works out.

Overall though, PSN has been doing fine outside of messaging hiccups. Issues aren't as commonly severe as some try to make it out to be, but there are issues present or crop up infrequently that need to be better addressed by Sony.

 

[RexNovis]

Nice. Not only you took your time to quote all my posts but also decided to insult me. Of course you just did so i can actually take the bait and insult you as well but i'm not going to lower my standards.
I would have stopped but people decided to flame my post. Don't blame me, blame them. I even offered them to add me to the ignore list.

Also, i read the word ''sanctimonious'' 3 times this day. I guess it must be a trendy word that makes you look cool and more intelligent using it.
I'll tip my christmas hat to you, sir.

So three separate people call you sanctimonious and that's your take away?!? Wow.

 

[ChapaNDJ]

So three separate people call you sanctimonious and that's your take away?!? Wow.

Nope, i read the word in 3 different places, not directed towards me. Not sure how you jump to such conclusion.

 

[m@cross]

Baseless generalizations about people on GAF as a group... someone please load a ban-cannon for this tool.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Well, so I take it PSN is totally wrecked tonight? I just sat down to play.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

Well, so I take it PSN is totally wrecked tonight? I just sat down to play.

It's fine was down for 30 to 45 mins. I'm on destiny now.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

TLDR: If Sony breaches its reasonable standard of care to you, then you can expect compensation. Given the nature of a DDOS attack, it's not reasonable for Sony to protect 100% against it, hence you should not expect compensation.

Actually, I empathize with you insofar as you have certain expectations from a paid service, and those expectations have not been met.

I think the reason why so many posters here don't agree with you is because a bit more finesse is required in apportioning "blame", which is an essential component of determining whether compensation should be given.

At its core, the question is: did Sony breach its duty of care to you, its paying customer?

That is answered by looking at what standard of care Sony owes to you, and whether it lived up to that standard. We can all agree that Sony has to have, for example, a dedicated task force committed to maintaining its network. Sony would clearly be in the wrong if it didn't hire trained personnel to do so, and instead asked its marketing department to double up on IT duty.

But as the standard of care goes up, the less reasonable it is for Sony to satisfy that standard. At some point you'll say, yeah ok, Sony you don't have to spend millions to build in anti-sunflare protection into your server farms, because that standard of care is no longer reasonable.

That's what the other posters are driving at when they discuss a DDOS attack. My understanding is that it's one of those things that you could probably protect against, in theory, but the costs of doing so are phenomenal and unreasonable in this specific context.

Trust me, if it turns out that this downtime is the result of some guy accidentally tripping over a power cable and shutting down core servers, instead of say a DDOS attack, then everyone here would be on your side and demanding compensation as well.

I think the best reply to a person who wants compensation for DDoS attacks on PSN or other services attached to it is to offer the logic of avoiding a service where DDoS attacks will be an issue in the first place

I don't think it is realistic to expect a person not to feel frustrated over service downtimes or expecting better for the money they spent

On a Sunday Night where a Football fan might miss an NFL Sunday Ticket game or someone not being able to get on Destiny it is acceptable for those types of hardcore fans to feel a level of frustration

I do not understand the take the high road, be calm, be reasonable replies to those posting feelings of frustration on here, dismissing someone's emotion is a guaranteed way to elevate those feelings lol you guys are not Sony Customer Service but in a thread discussing lack of access to a service you should at least expect some frustrated gamers with pitchforks at the ready

Denial-of-Service Attacks is something we need a real solution for because it is now part of the nature of Online Gaming as Rain Storms were to early Dish Network Television

getting kicked out of your game is not fun

 

[AuthenticM]

hey people what's going on here

oh

 

[Reg]

hey people what's going on here

oh

Weeding out the fools.

 

[velcry]

I think the best reply to a person who wants compensation for DDoS attacks on PSN or other services attached to it is to offer the logic of avoiding a service where DDoS attacks will be an issue in the first place

I don't think it is realistic to expect a person not to feel frustrated over service downtimes or expecting better for the money they spent

On a Sunday Night where a Football fan might miss an NFL Sunday Ticket game or someone not being able to get on Destiny it is acceptable for those types of hardcore fans to feel a level of frustration

I do not understand the take the high road, be calm, be reasonable replies to those posting feelings of frustration on here, dismissing someone's emotion is a guaranteed way to elevate those feelings lol you guys are not Sony Customer Service but in a thread discussing lack of access to a service you should at least expect some frustrated gamers with pitchforks at the ready

Denial-of-Service Attacks is something we need a real solution for because it is now part of the nature of Online Gaming as Rain Storms were to early Dish Network Television

getting kicked out of your game is not fun

I know what you're saying. Sometimes when a friend comes to you and gripes about something, all they are looking for is sympathy and a listening ear. They don't really want to hear about a different perspective from "the other side".

Again, expectations. It's not likely that you'll get that level of empathy from a public forum like this. You'll have to understand that there will be a sizable group of people who disagree with you, and who will have strong reactions to what you're saying.

C'est la vie.

 

[Mr Lakitu]

Theres no way to stop these type of attacks? Imagine if Kim jongs goons got in on this

 

[vypek]

Theres no way to stop these type of attacks? Imagine if Kim jongs goons got in on this

You can mitigate them sometimes but theoretically they are always possible.

 

[PoweredByHentai]

I think I speak for pretty much everyone attempting to have a legitimate discussion in this thread when I say fuck off you ignorant sanctimonious asshole. You contribute nothing here and succeed only in pissing the people with any common sense off. Do what you said you would and STOP POSTING.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, last I read there had been some arrests made in this Lizard Squad group how and why are they still operating if that's the case? DO we know if the FBI is in fact pursuing them? Is there an open investigation?

I don't think that the FBI got all of them, at least not based on the Google search results and the ongoing shenanigans.

 

[Loakum]

I don't get it. Really I don't.

Weren't hackers at some point activists? This is just pointless thuggery.

Actually they were ALWAYS anarchists (cyber thugs) posing as activists! Disrupting and destroying something that's NOT theirs isn't EVER justified, regardless of what they say! See what happens when folks encourage this sort of behavior, it emboldens them to continue. Look at what the PSN outage supporters brought to us today.

 

[The Lone Courier]

Back on though having some lag.

 

[T.O.P]

Where have I ever based xbox.... I'm waiting. Your seeing things.

We're a lot of people seeing things then

 

[DrFurbs]

I don't get these so called hacker types. I mean why target a company that provides entertainment and general goods we enjoy.

Surely it would make more fucking common sense to hack banks or tax institutions etc? You know the fuckers that do actual economic harm.

Honestly, it's what I would do if I had the skills. I just don't see the end point of hacking a company like Sony.