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PSP RPGs

Like many, Rondo of Blood has made me interested in the PSP. (As a matter of fact, I'll go snatch up a copy of Gradius Collection at my local Toys 'R Us this afternoon.) Still, my genre of choice is role-playing. What are some good ones to check out for (for instance, I love old school RPGs - are the Legend of Heroes games any good?) Please post pics and descriptions of available/upcoming RPGs on the PSP.
 
I really loved Legend of Heroes 1. I never made it all the way through Part 2, and 3 was just recently released, though I haven't bought it yet. Its on my "to do" list though.

But anyway, LOH1 was one of my all-time favorite RPGs. I liked the story and the characters a LOT. I know a lot of people here at GAF slammed the hell out of it, but I don't know what their problem was (and that's NOT an invite for some of you to come in and tear it down). Its VERY old-school in the way it plays, but it has great art and character pics during the conversations and it looks very modern for a 2D RPG.

I also enjoyed Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, but that's more action/rpg and it won't have the impact it did on me if you're not a Marvel fan.
 
duckroll said:
PSP RPGs? Learn Japanese, cause the English ones ALL suck. :/
Not really. Tales of Eternia and Valkyrie Profile are both good, but their value of course depends on whether you already played the originals.
If you're into Diablolikes then I've heard some good things about Dungeon Siege: Throne of Agony.

And both Gurumin and Monster Kingdom: Jewel Summoner will be out very soon! And Valhalla Knights shortly after that.
 
For the English speaking audience...

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Tales Of Eternia (Euro):

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Valkryie Profile: Lenneth

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Monster Hunter: Freedom:

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Marvel Ultimate Alliance:

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Dungeon Siege:

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*UPCOMING*

Gurumin

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Monster Kingdom: Jewel Summoner:

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Valhalla Knights:

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Dungeon & Dragons: Tactics:

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Riveria:

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Jeanne D' Arc:

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Final Fantasy I+II (Sold Separately):

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Final Fantasy: Tactics (Unconfirmed):

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Crisis Core: FF7:

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*THE REST*

- Wild Arms XF
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Unannounced S-E Projects (Rumored)
 
Kingdom of Paradise is decent. The voice acting is some of the worst i've ever heard. But the sword-slashing gameplay is pretty good. And the graphics are beautiful.
 
theBishop said:
Kingdom of Paradise is decent. The voice acting is some of the worst i've ever heard. But the sword-slashing gameplay is pretty good. And the graphics are beautiful.


I thought Kingdom of Paradise was lame as all getout, it literally has a win button. Imagine Golden Axe where you have as many screen-clearing potions as you want, that's what KoP has. There is no challenge to the game whatsoever. It has this big fancy combo system that amounts to you mashing one button over & over, but even that's worthless because you can charge up your screen-clearing destructo-meter at will. Hold down button - meter full - press button - big flaming dragon creams every enemy on screen - go to next screen - repeat.

You're right in saying that the graphics are nice though.

Legend of Heroes is a pleasantly average series in the 16-bit mold, but there are better ways to spend your time. Right now Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth and Phantasy Star IV are the best rpgs on the system - there's also Y's and Generation of Chaos if you can deal with long load times. There are Breath of Fire and Tales games that only saw European release.

I've heard good things about Valhalla Knights though, and that's coming the first week of March.
 
I personally think the PSP is better than the DS, with RPGs in English.

I think Kingdom of Paradise is good, but not great.

I thought Legend of the Heroes was good, but what hurt it was the poor translation.

I thought PoPoLoCrois was excellent.

I thought Valkyrie Profile Lenneth was excellent.

I thought Untold Legends is good.

I thought Generation of Chaos is good, but the loading hurts it.

I still want to try Blade Dancer, Spectral Souls, Legend of the Heroes II, Legend of the Heroes III, Untold Legends 2, and so on.
 
No English release unfortunately, but still very playable. The Asian version has an English instructions insert that the Japanese version doesn't.
A port of the Saturn game that was also never released in English. These screens don't do it justice.

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I really need to buy me a PSP, the amount of quality RPG's out and coming is gonna make me get one now rather then later. I bought a DS instead and have been sad after Megaman ZX :(.

That Princess Crown game looks awesome, and everything looks in English to me :/.
 
heavy liquid said:
No English release unfortunately, but still very playable. The Asian version has an English instructions insert that the Japanese version doesn't.
A port of the Saturn game that was also never released in English. These screens don't do it justice.


^5 for representing the true Princess (who is not Peach).
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I already own Phantasy Star II and IV (in original cart form and on the Sega Genesis Collection), Valkyrie Profile (PS) and Tales of Eternia/Destiny II (PS). Still, the ones I am mostly interested in are Riviera, Popolocrois, Final Fantasy I and II (even though I own Dawn of Souls, I very much prefer this new look - also, any chance of a 2D Final Fantasy III being released for the PSP), Jeanne D'Arc (need to know more about this one though - trad. or strat.?) and... the Legend of Heroes games! I really am a sucker for 2D sprites (and don't really mind bad localizations as I enjoyed Breath of Fire II).

On a side note, anyone knows whether the Legend of Heroes games are remakes of the old Dragon Slayer Legend games on the PC Engine/Mega Drive? I was looking through the September 1994 issue of EGM this morning and came across a blurb about this game (EGM's import games section was fantastic back in the day with the legendary Terry Aki).
 
Phantasy Star II & IV (on the Sega Genesis Collection): Two of the best RPGs ever made. PSII has such delightful old school difficulty -- the player can quite literally get killed at any time. The story and setting are very original, and it was one of the first console RPGs to offer real depth in its story and characters. PSIV is just fantastic; one of the definitive classic RPGs of the 16-bit era, and it easily stands side by side with some of the more lauded SNES games like Chrono Trigger and FFVI.

Valkyrie Profile: Beautiful artwork and sprite-based graphics, beautiful Motoi Sakuraba music, original story, original and often challenging gameplay, and extremely well designed dungeons. The game was a gem on the PSX and still is on the PSP.

Astonishia Story: Horrible, horrible game. So very bad that it warranted its own depreciation thread.

Legend of Heroes: Considerably below average games. They are bland, generic, and unoriginal, marked by obnoxious (in the first game) and completely forgettable (in the second game) characters. The stories never go anywhere, and the games are aimlessly driven strictly by tedious fetch quests even fifteen hours into the games. The writing/dialogue is awful, littered with terrible Engrish -- bad spelling, bad grammar, bad punctuation, bad syntax. All of this would be somewhat okay if the games compensated with good gameplay, but they don't. The battle system is generic, the ability system is generic, the games are brainlessly easy, and you just wander through repetitive, poorly designed dungeons. Music's great, though. Additional comments here.

Blade Dancer: Not that bad. It's got some very nice graphics on the whole, and there's a lot of area to explore. The combat system is a fun Final Fantasy-like ATB. Game isn't too hard, and the story/characters are pretty forgettable, but it's really not a bad game. Kinda average.

Dungeon Siege: Haven't had a chance to try it yet, though I bought it.

PoPoLoCrois: Very, very... cute. And while I don't usually judge games too much strictly on their technical merits or production values, it's hard not to in this case -- the load times are so obscene that battles drag out forever... and it's a pretty tedious battle system to begin with, combining traditional RPG mechanics (AKA random) with a gridded movement system. Music is blah.

Lord of the Rings Tactics: Along with Lord of the Rings: The Third Age Advance and Vandal-Hearts II, this is definitively one of the worst SRPGs ever made.

Kingdom of Paradise: Blah. Below average. Long been a fan of Climax's games (Shining in the Darkness, Shining Force, and Landstalker were fantastic), but unfortunately they've been on a steady decline quality-wise since the Genesis. It started with Dark Savior, continued with Time Stalkers, and sadly they hit their lowest point with Kingdom of Paradise. Terrible battle system, and in a game like this, that's a breaking point.

Generation of Chaos: Here's what I posted at the time the game came out. I stand by that. No one else in the official thread liked it, either.

Tales of Eternia: Really good game, and on the middle-to-high end of the Tales series. Great battle system and fun dungeons.


So yeah, aside from the awesome Genesis/PSX games, it's not a very bright landscape right now.

However, I'm generally optimistic about some of the games coming up (a lot of the ones Matix posted) -- specifically, Gurumin, Monster Kingdom, Valhalla Knights, D&D Tactics, and Jeane d'Arc.

Canadian Psycho said:
I already own Phantasy Star II and IV (in original cart form and on the Sega Genesis Collection), Valkyrie Profile (PS) and Tales of Eternia/Destiny II (PS).

Excellent choices.

Canadian Psycho said:
Still, the ones I am mostly interested in are Riviera, Popolocrois, Final Fantasy I and II (even though I own Dawn of Souls, I very much prefer this new look - also, any chance of a 2D Final Fantasy III being released for the PSP), Jeanne D'Arc (need to know more about this one though - trad. or strat.?) and... the Legend of Heroes games! I really am a sucker for 2D sprites (and don't really mind bad localizations as I enjoyed Breath of Fire II).

I don't know about the FF1 and FF2 games coming... hopefully they'll turn out well.

If Riviera comes out in the US on the PSP, and if you don't have the already-released GBA version, then you should definitely snag it. It's a fantastic game; one of the best RPGs on the GBA. Sting is a really talented, underrated team that takes a lot of cool risks with their gameplay/story, and the final product (in the case of Riviera and Yggdra Union in particular) is very unique, very innovative, and very fun.
 
How import friendly is Princess Crown? If it's not too text heavy and the gameplay is action oriented as the screens imply I'd be very tempted to import it from Lik San...err Play Asia.
 
I think a lot of the anti-PSP biases (about it having no good games) has spread to it's RPGs. It actually has quite a few good ones, but they all suck presumably because they weren't released by Squenix or Nintendo.

I also tend to think the piracy factor plays a role - if you pay $20-40 for a game, you are less likely to say "Bah, this sucks" in the first minute than if you simply downloaded it and give it an honest chance.


Legend of Heroes 1-3. These are old school RPGs that were originally on the PC but ported to the PSP by Bandai. The gameplay is very linear, and the translation isn't the best (though hardly as bad as bashers say, it's completely coherent). The first one is one of my favorite RPGs ever. The 2nd has a weird story, for the most of the game it's just wandering around on their pilgrimage, only til the very end do you get to the save the world stuff. I haven't played very far in the 3rd yet.

Astonishia Story - This basically plays like Shining Force. This suffers from a really bad translation, and it's a weird game to begin with, but it's not bad. Unfortunately, it's very short. You can probably finish it in about 15 hours at most.

Popolocrois - Fairly standard RPG. Port of the 2 PS1 games.

Lord of the Rings Tactics Pretty decent tactical RPG.

Blade Dancer - Somewhat generic original RPG for the PSP. Some people like it, some people hate it.

Kingdom of Paraside Sort of a martial arts RPG

Spectral Souls This would be a good tactical RPG if not for the loading times. But they are terrible.

Generation of Chaos This is actually a lot like Dragon Force, except instead of having crazy 2d side scrolling battles, the battles are like those old electric football games where the people just vibrate around and wobble.

There's also a ton of action rpgs. Untold Legends 1&2, Dungeon Siege, Justice League Heroes, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, X-men 2
 
trancejeremy said:
I think a lot of the anti-PSP biases (about it having no good games) has spread to it's RPGs. It actually has quite a few good ones, but they all suck presumably because they weren't released by Squenix or Nintendo.

Nah. They suck because they suck. The PSP does have good games (plenty), just not many good RPGs. And that reality isn't because of bias.
 
I honestly did not enjoy a single RPG on the PSP. They all seem to cookie-cutter with bas voices and bad stories. The gameplay was always dull.

The only exception was Valkyrie Profile Lenneth but that's a classic RPG.
 
ethelred said:
Nah. They suck because they suck. The PSP does have good games (plenty), just not many good RPGs. And that reality isn't because of bias.

Especially if you go by that list he wrote...
 
Valhalla Knights - Gameplay wise, this game is FABULOUS. It does so many things I want an RPG to do, and plays so far beyond so many other JRPGs. The only downfall for me is that the game is a dungeon crawler, which I'm not a huge fan of. Still, to me, this will easily be the best RPG for the PSP in the U.S. once it comes out.

I almost didn't want to play it at first, because it looked like Blade Dancer, and that game was utter crap. Thankfully I had no choice in if I played it or not, and ended up being so pleasantly surprised.
 
I hope we get to see more of Wild Arms XF soon, as a WA fan I'm kind of excited about it. And IIRC it's not supposed to be a port/remake either.
 
Hrrrrmph. The Legend of Heroes system is one of the more popular ones in Japan (okay, maybe not popular. Beloved?). But suddenly they get ported to the PSP they start sucking?

It really baffles me - the gameplay is almost identical to the old SNES games (since they are from that era), but people would rather play old SNES games on an emulator, despite having much worse translations, characters, etc.

And it also baffles me, they get called "bland" and "cliched", when they have some of the most unique plots in RPGs. In Moonlight Witch for instance, you pretty much travel all around a contenent on a pilgrimage, all the while follow the path of the Moonlight Witch, who made prophecies 20 years ago. I can't remember anyting like that.


Part of the problem, besides the anti-PSP biases, is that a lot of people apparently expected PSP rpgs to be the equivalent of PS2 rpgs. They are generally somewhere between PS1 and PS2. And none of them tend to have a lot of cut-scenes.

People who love the Squenix games, with the tons of cutscense and such presumably are disappointed. So they all "suck".

If you are really interested in what PSP Rpgs are good, go to gamefaqs and read the user reviews of them. While not as well written as professional reviews, they tend to be a whole lot fairer, and and for the most part, elitism free...
 
So anti-PSP bias, Square whores and elitism are the reasons why people don't like most of the rpgs available on the system and not because they have discerning tastes? Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
Okay, let's take this one step at a time.

trancejeremy said:
Hrrrrmph. The Legend of Heroes system is one of the more popular ones in Japan (okay, maybe not popular. Beloved?).

Well, if we're going by "popularity," then the PSP Legend of Heroes games aren't that popular. The first one sold over 100k, but the Japanese gaming public was apparently so reviled that the second barely cracked five digits and the third game did even worse.

So if that's your gauge here, that doesn't really come out in these games' favor. But you are the one that brought popularity up.

trancejeremy said:
But suddenly they get ported to the PSP they start sucking?

They weren't "ported" to the PSP, they were remade for the PSP by Bandai. Legend of Heroes VI: Sora no Kiseki FC and SC are ports, and they're being handled directly by Falcom.

So yeah, I guess it's fair to say that if you take some quality games and put them in Bandai's hands they end up sucking. Because that's what happened here.

trancejeremy said:
It really baffles me - the gameplay is almost identical to the old SNES games (since they are from that era)

Not true at all. You've tried this old canard out before, and it's awfully wrong. Identical gameplay to the old SNES games? Bull. There's far more gameplay depth in the most praised ones -- FFV, FFVI, Dragon Quest VI, Chrono Trigger, Lufia 2, the Romancing SaGa trilogy, Tales of Phantasia, Super Mario RPG, Star Ocean, and on and on. Even if you look strictly at purely "classical" gameplay like, say, DQV, there's a lot more depth there because, A) you get a huge party of characters to manage and control, and B) there's genuine challenge in the gameplay.

Bare-bones traditional gameplay doesn't work when the game is so easy a monkey could play it successfully.

trancejeremy said:
...but people would rather play old SNES games on an emulator, despite having much worse translations, characters, etc.

A lot of the old translations were pretty good. Even with the bad translations, though, most of the praised SNES RPGs had far, far better characters and characterizations than what are present in the Bandai Legend of Heroes remakes.

trancejeremy said:
And it also baffles me, they get called "bland" and "cliched", when they have some of the most unique plots in RPGs. In Moonlight Witch for instance, you pretty much travel all around a contenent on a pilgrimage, all the while follow the path of the Moonlight Witch, who made prophecies 20 years ago. I can't remember anyting like that.

You're right that the basic narrative arc of Moonlight Witch contains, on paper, evidence of more originality than the plot in A Tear of Vermillion. However, in practice, it doesn't go much further than that -- while that narrative arc has potential, it doesn't realize anything beyond bland cliches in the actual execution (IE, the meat of the story), or in the characters.

A Tear of Vermillion doesn't even have that pretense of a saving grace.

trancejeremy said:
Part of the problem, besides the anti-PSP biases

Sure, keep blaming things on bias. It's all The Liberal Media's fault.

trancejeremy said:
...is that a lot of people apparently expected PSP rpgs to be the equivalent of PS2 rpgs.

No, there is (and should be) an expectation for the RPGs of any system to live up to objective measures of quality regardless of the platform they're on. A consumer shouldn't sacrifice minimum standards of quality simply because a game isn't on the PS2 -- that's no excuse for below average gameplay, narrative presentation, or any of the other primary factors in determining a game's quality.

trancejeremy said:
People who love the Squenix games, with the tons of cutscense and such presumably are disappointed. So they all "suck".

Or people that also enjoy RPGs from Konami, Atlus, Capcom, Namco, Sega...? And "cutscenes," incidentally, have nothing to do with it. I don't think a single person has lodged a complaint against The Legend of Heroes, Lord of the Rings Tactics, Astonishia Story, or Generation of Chaos that "there aren't enough cutscenes." If you can find an example of such, I'd welcome seeing it.

trancejeremy said:
If you are really interested in what PSP Rpgs are good, go to gamefaqs and read the user reviews of them. While not as well written as professional reviews, they tend to be a whole lot fairer, and and for the most part, elitism free...

Yes. Then we can read trancejeremy's 10/10 Legend of Heroes review, which is certainly the most fair account we'll find.
 
jaundicejuice said:
How import friendly is Princess Crown? If it's not too text heavy and the gameplay is action oriented as the screens imply I'd be very tempted to import it from Lik San...err Play Asia.

A good FAQ from Doug Erickson can be found here: ;)

http://home.netvigator.com/~tarot/Games/PrCrown0.html

As far as how import friendly it is, I would say very. I'll quote a bit from the FAQ.

There is a fair amount of Japanese text in the game, especially
in the character dialogue. Many of the options and virtually all
of the text graphics are in English, including the splash screens
and end-of-battle tallies. The game is very playable despite the
Japanese dialog; if you don't mind missing out some humor in the
dialogue, you probably won't have any difficulty with this game.
 
shidoshi said:
Valhalla Knights - Gameplay wise, this game is FABULOUS. It does so many things I want an RPG to do, and plays so far beyond so many other JRPGs. The only downfall for me is that the game is a dungeon crawler, which I'm not a huge fan of. Still, to me, this will easily be the best RPG for the PSP in the U.S. once it comes out.

I almost didn't want to play it at first, because it looked like Blade Dancer, and that game was utter crap. Thankfully I had no choice in if I played it or not, and ended up being so pleasantly surprised.

Dungeon Crawler? Excellent gameplay? Sounds like my kind of game!! Woot!
 
shidoshi said:
Valhalla Knights - Gameplay wise, this game is FABULOUS. It does so many things I want an RPG to do, and plays so far beyond so many other JRPGs. The only downfall for me is that the game is a dungeon crawler, which I'm not a huge fan of. Still, to me, this will easily be the best RPG for the PSP in the U.S. once it comes out.
Sounds great. The PSP lineup is actually the most interesting RPG-wise this month and in March. Too bad I won't have time as I'll be playing Supreme Commander :lol
 
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Supposed to be one of the best rpgs of the Saturn-era. It's too bad no one is bringing it to the US, because if all these famous rpgs that never came to the US before finally arrived on PSP (Devil Summoner, Tengai, Princess Crown, ToD2), then the PSP would be one the best handhelds for rpgs ever since all these great rpgs would be "new" games to 99% of the people in the US.
 
Also don't forget - Metal Gear Ac!d! These games are essentially strategy rpgs built around Metal Gear concepts. I love the first one to death, the second improved the gameplay and came with weird 3D glasses that made the image jump off the screen, but the plot wasn't as epic, imo. But they're stil two of the most quality games on the system, highly recommended.
 
Bebpo said:
It's too bad no one is bringing it to the US, because if all these famous rpgs that never came to the US before finally arrived on PSP (Devil Summoner, Tengai, Princess Crown, ToD2), then the PSP would be one the best handhelds for rpgs ever since all these great rpgs would be "new" games to 99% of the people in the US.
so... a bunch of ports of old rpgs makes the PSP one of the best handhelds for RPGs?
 
Error2k4 said:
so... a bunch of ports of old rpgs makes the PSP one of the best handhelds for RPGs?
Bebpo's point is further nullified by the fact that most of those games aren't coming to the states.
trancejeremy said:
I think a lot of the anti-PSP biases (about it having no good games) has spread to it's RPGs. It actually has quite a few good ones, but they all suck presumably because they weren't released by Squenix or Nintendo.
:lol

I also tend to think the piracy factor plays a role - if you pay $20-40 for a game, you are less likely to say "Bah, this sucks" in the first minute than if you simply downloaded it and give it an honest chance.
So you're laying out the accusation of piracy to the PSP RPG dislikers? That's a helluva claim.


Legend of Heroes 1-3. These are old school RPGs that were originally on the PC but ported to the PSP by Bandai. The gameplay is very linear, and the translation isn't the best (though hardly as bad as bashers say, it's completely coherent). The first one is one of my favorite RPGs ever. The 2nd has a weird story, for the most of the game it's just wandering around on their pilgrimage, only til the very end do you get to the save the world stuff. I haven't played very far in the 3rd yet.

Astonishia Story - This basically plays like Shining Force. This suffers from a really bad translation, and it's a weird game to begin with, but it's not bad. Unfortunately, it's very short. You can probably finish it in about 15 hours at most.

Popolocrois - Fairly standard RPG. Port of the 2 PS1 games.

Lord of the Rings Tactics Pretty decent tactical RPG.

Blade Dancer - Somewhat generic original RPG for the PSP. Some people like it, some people hate it.

Kingdom of Paraside Sort of a martial arts RPG

Spectral Souls This would be a good tactical RPG if not for the loading times. But they are terrible.

Generation of Chaos This is actually a lot like Dragon Force, except instead of having crazy 2d side scrolling battles, the battles are like those old electric football games where the people just vibrate around and wobble.

There's also a ton of action rpgs. Untold Legends 1&2, Dungeon Siege, Justice League Heroes, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, X-men 2

It actually has quite a few good ones...
So you go to say there are a few good ones, but then can't say much about half the games in your list and very little praise at all?
 
Whatever you do, don't touch Generation of Chaos unless you plan on trying to learn how the game works. The series has a ton of interesting mechanics and elements to the game but they're so woefully underdeveloped that the game comes out being very middle of the road and bad sometimes. Once you start learning how things work (because the documentation is so awful), you can see the potential.
 
Error2k4 said:
so... a bunch of ports of old rpgs makes the PSP one of the best handhelds for RPGs?

Why not? The PSP could have been the second chance for a lot of great RPGs that never got localized.
 
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