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PSP2 (Next Generation Portable) Announced, 2011, BC [Up3: Info In OP]

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timetokill said:
Man, that thing is enormous. Can't say I like that at all.

Looks like it will be pretty expensive too. Not just the cost of materials, but the cost of distribution, labor, etc. My guess is $329.

I wonder if games will be $50?

At any rate, I certainly won't be buying it at launch.
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That's what I'm guessing as well. If it's a multi platform game (PS3-PSP2) I'm saving myself 10 dollars and will be buying it for the PSP2.
 
One thing that Sony can edge out Apple is Cross Platform Play.

Sony has strong presence on gaming console, gaming handheld, mobile phone and TV market. If they can manage to bring that experience across all platforms, allowing people to just buy one game and use it across all systems under the same ID, that would be terrific.

If they add Steam into the equation (like what they are beginning to do with Portal 2), they would rule the PC space too.

Imagine buying and playing your copy of Portal 2 on NGP, PS3, PC, Android - with cloud saves… Why would I want to use my iPhone or buy games for my 360 anymore? This seems too good to be true though.
 
Father_Brain said:
I've been a huge PSP2 skeptic ever since 3DS was revealed last year, with its surprisingly large lineup of "PSP-style" console franchises.

What Sony has just revealed... did absolutely nothing to allay my fears. The hardware design shows that they've learned very little from the last handheld gen, and I also didn't get the sense that they seem fully prepared to take on Nintendo. Sony needed to announce at least one or two actual, major third-party NGP games to take back mindshare from 3DS, not just show demos using reused PS3 assets and hope that "OMG HD GRAFIX" is enough to achieve that goal.

I don't see NGP bombing badly enough to force Sony to exit the hardware business, but right now, I would be surprised if it manages to sell more than, oh, two-thirds of PSP's lifetime sales.
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Well if they are saying that it is very easy to port games from the PS3 to the system I guess in theory it 'could' have as many games as the PS3 has, if it really is that easy to port them across then I imagine if the NGP takes off it will make sense for publishers to sanction ports of their new games for extra revenue without a lot of outlay no?

I know ports aren't what everybody wants to hear but it certainly could potentially add a huge games catalogue to the NGP.
 
Man said:
I guess you totally missed Monster Hunter and Call of Duty (as well as Hideo MGS dream project). It's the absolute biggest 3rd party games that could have been announced for the platform.
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Monster Hunter was not a new game it was simply demoing the fact PSP games will be available for download.

COD will be multiplatform as always as well
 
xbhaskarx said:
Wait... so this thing is actually named "Next Generation Portable"? Remember how everyone used to call the current consoles "next gen" consoles back in 2005 and 2006? Does anyone call them that anymore? No, because pretty much every gamer has one, making them "current gen" consoles. So this thing will always be "Next Generation"? Even in like 2035?

WTF was wrong with PSP2?
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Probably they don't want PSP2 to battle with 3DS, same with Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 I suppose?
 
Nessus said:
Had an odd thought re: flash card storage.

Does this mean that the PSP2 (or whatever) will actually load games faster than the PS3 and not require mandatory installs?

That would be hilarious if that proved to be the case.

As an aside, with the apparent level of detail they're able to pull off with a lowly ARM CPU, it's gotta be a hard sell trying to continue to push the ridiculously power-hungry, alien architecture of the Cell processor as something anyone would want to invest in in the future, as Sony keep insisting was part of their road map for Cell all along.

I am very curious, though, to see what the battery life is.

If Nintendo couldn't get the 3DS' above 6 hours, even with Nintendo's track record of placing a high priority on extending battery life, and that system only has last gen+ shaders level graphics...

Though, to be fair, Sony pulled off an amazing feat, making the original PS3 pretty damn silent, even managing an internal PSU, when compared to the original 360's jet engine external power brick. Hell, my launch 60 gig is still quieter than my brand new redesigned 360 S. One thing Sony *does* know is how to make streamlined consumer electronics.

Looking forward to the (hopeful) PSP price drops. Might finally pick one up.
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Regarding the first bolded point - two different people were at the helm of each device. Cell is a very powerful CPU but it was a mistake to put it in and Sony won't go with such a complex architecture again.

And regarding the 3DS - we don't know how long battery life is going to be with 2D and WiFi off. We don't know how power hungry the 3D screen is and it's quite possible it is a huge power drain. I absolutely don't think we will see 8+ hours from the PSP2, but it might be similar to the 3DS thanks to a bigger battery and other unknowns (which is still too low and forces me to buy extra batteries). At this point this comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. We will be smarter after E3 or TGS but until than it's probably better to not think much about battery life. Just don't be surprised if the PSP2 battery becomes a best seller.
 
Father_Brain said:
I've been a huge PSP2 skeptic ever since 3DS was revealed last year, with its surprisingly large lineup of "PSP-style" console franchises.

What Sony has just revealed... did absolutely nothing to allay my fears. The hardware design shows that they've learned very little from the last handheld gen, and I also didn't get the sense that they seem fully prepared to take on Nintendo. Sony needed to announce at least one or two actual, major third-party NGP games to take back mindshare from 3DS, not just show demos using reused PS3 assets and hope that "OMG HD GRAFIX" is enough to achieve that goal.

I don't see NGP bombing badly enough to force Sony to exit the hardware business, but right now, I would be surprised if it manages to sell more than, oh, two-thirds of PSP's lifetime sales.
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Call of Duty and Monster Hunter are not major 3rd party NGP games.
 
Father_Brain said:
Sony needed to announce at least one or two actual, major third-party NGP games to take back mindshare from 3DS, not just show demos using reused PS3 assets and hope that "OMG HD GRAFIX" is enough to achieve that goal.
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I'd say Sony is getting plenty of attention right now...

And compared to 3DS's first announcement, in terms of 'major third party announcements' - well, 3DS got a port of MGS3, PSP2 is getting Kojima's next 'dream' project. That was telling enough for me. Ditto I got the impression of 'continuity' with the Monster Hunter bit, as token as it may have been.

For an introductory announcement, it's done the job IMO.
 
Man said:
I guess you totally missed Monster Hunter and Call of Duty (as well as Hideo MGS dream project). It's the absolute biggest 3rd party games that could have been announced for the platform.
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MH was MH3P, a game already out and played through BC. We didn't actually saw CoD.
 
lowrider007 said:
I honestly can't imagine it being called the PSP2, if that is was what it was going to be called then I have no doubt in my mind that's what they would of announced it as tonight, my guess is they still haven't finalist a name yet.
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Given they renamed "PlayStation Pocket" to "PlayStation Suite", makes me wonder.

Though, this thing doesn't look like it'll fit in my pocket.
 
Rolf NB said:
Super mega sold.
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Seems like the android/PSP will do that. It'd be nice with PS3 games too, though I'm not sure how it'd work unless PSP2's whole library is available for download too
 
Father_Brain said:
I don't see NGP bombing badly enough to force Sony to exit the hardware business, but right now, I would be surprised if it manages to sell more than, oh, two-thirds of PSP's lifetime sales.
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As long as they sell software this time round, I don't really care if the LTD is 2/3rds.
 
antonz said:
Monster Hunter was not a new game it was simply demoing the fact PSP games will be available for download.
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But with right stick control. Or that's what I thought I read.


I will have to seek out videos for the conference, I was following the news via my PSP out of respect.
 
Man said:
I guess you totally missed Monster Hunter and Call of Duty (as well as Hideo MGS dream project). It's the absolute biggest 3rd party games that could have been announced for the platform.
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I guessed you missed that MH was just a demo of the PSP BC, and that all that was shown of CoD was a logo.

I'm talking actual game trailers here.
 
Danielsan said:
The fear of wearing a messenger bag appears to be an American thing. Just like scarfs I guess. I don't know who in his right mind would even put a DSlite/3DS in his pocket. Shit is just too large for pocketing.
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I'm neither american nor 'afraid' of wearing a bag. I simply refuse to bring a bag with me just so I can carry my toys, if I have actual need of a bag I'll use one. Of course I don't carry a ds in my pocket, but I will slip in my PSP Go.

A portable system that is actually portable will get significantly more use from me, I'm not about to plan my attire or accessories around my toys, if they're not convenient then they'll be left at home.
 
antonz said:
Monster Hunter was not a new game it was simply demoing the fact PSP games will be available for download.
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With added Dual Stick controls.

antonz said:
COD will be multiplatform as always as well
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And for gamers the PSP2 version will be the only version.
Dual Stick, Graphics & Online will make this play like it's bigger brothers and it's the only handheld capable of doing so.
 
I bet they are gonna offer more than one SKU. Maybe a $299 price, minus the 3g, minus the extra memory storage, minus oled perhaps?

Then offer another SKU that has all the missing features for around $399? Developers could easily develop for both SKU's this way allowing their games to work on both. Those" extra" features aren't necessary, just extra.
 
Jea Song said:
I bet they are gonna offer more than one SKU. Maybe a $299 price, minus the 3g, minus the extra memory storage, minus oled perhaps?

Then offer another SKU that has all the missing features for around $399? Developers could easily develop for both SKU's this way allowing their games to work on both. Those" extra" features aren't necessary, just extra.
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Multiple Storage versions is expected. The other features seem somewhat integral to the design, so I'm not sure they'd cut those. Oled should be a power saver and turn out cheap for Sony's in house tech.
 
so a ~$400 handheld, probably sub 2 hour battery life, and all the same games, all over again >_< nice...

playstation suite is bigger and better news than the psp2
 
BeeDog said:
Sorry if this has been asked, but how power-hungry are the components in this thing, exactly? I guess the OLED screen has low power consumption, and there is no 3D in this, so screen-wise I guess the PSP2 is okay? What about the CPU and the GPU?
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Well, they obviously use a lot more power than the 3DS components, mostly because they're also sigificantly more capable. But Sony also has a lot more room to fit in a large battery. (Though I don't know how much volume the back touch panel will use up)
 
Jea Song said:
I bet they are gonna offer more than one SKU. Maybe a $299 price, minus the 3g, minus the extra memory storage, minus oled perhaps?

Then offer another SKU that has all the missing features for around $399? Developers could easily develop for both SKU's this way allowing their games to work on both. Those features aren't necessary, just extra.
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Yes of course. I think that E3 will bring much more details on the product.
This will probably be a two SKUs product, a relatively cheap one to be used mainly as a gaming console and a fully featured tablet-like SKU at a higher price.
 
Hmm, kind of interested. But 3D >>> Better graphics.

A lot of nice improvements have been made (cartridges!), but sales wise this is gonna be another disaster for Sony....

It is indeed 2004 all over again. I’m currently leaning towards the 3DS until more games are announced for the PSP2.
 
Totakeke said:
Well I was referring more to the other stuffs they decided to put in there. The 5" OLED for example. But I suppose you're right since it's launching in almost a year.
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Next years phones will have 4-4.5 inch oled screens as standard as well, there's nothing remarkable about that specification either. Budget £100 phones already include oled displays.
 
I can certainly appreciate people being against it's form factor because they want to put it in their pocket and fire it up on commutes etc, but for me personally, my PSP and DS never leave the house. I have my iPhone for the little casual things, and keep the handhelds for gaming around the house for when the TV is on, or I'm in bed etc.

I wanted a huge comfortable handheld that will possibly never leave the house. I think it looks perfect for that.
 
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Crakatak187 said:
Having a SKU without OLED doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't OLED use less energy then LCD?
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Depends on what you're displaying. It will consume as much as 3x as much energy on a plane white screen.
 
StuBurns said:
I can certainly appreciate people being against it's form factor because they want to put it in their pocket and fire it up on commutes etc, but for me personally, my PSP and DS never leave the house. I have my iPhone for the little casual things, and keep the handhelds for gaming around the house for when the TV is on, or I'm in bed etc.

I wanted a huge comfortable handheld that will possibly never leave the house. I think it looks perfect for that.
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Me too, but I like being able to take it out, the sticks look awkward, I would have preferred recessed sticks with bumps on the underside of the unit to make room.

Father_Brain said:
As for Kojima's "dream" project, didn't he strongly imply that it was a PS3/NGP multiplatform title?
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Yes, he's talked about the same wish of platform-less game at the peace walker launch, I worked it out the other day, there's been a bunch of hints. The Konami survey about PS3 Peace Walker that never seemed to go anywhere was probably market research for this title.
 
Hell yeah this will be amazing. I will be there day 1.

I'm really worried however about the OLED screen. I plan to play the heck out of this system. If there is gradual screen deterioration, like OLEDs have been known to suffer from, this could be a deal breaker for me.
 
Father_Brain said:
As for Kojima's "dream" project, didn't he strongly imply that it was a PS3/NGP multiplatform title?
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His dream project is basically being able to play it on a portable then go home load up the save on the console and vice versa.

It is certainly nifty but its going to have so much hyperbole around it
 
BlazingDarkness said:
I meant PSP, no NGP
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Almost the same actually (4-6 hours).
 
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