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[Zerokku]

Hrm... picked up a psp last friday. With the news that PSP2 will be bc only with psn copies of games, thinking of returning it and nabbing a pspgo...

On one hand, missing out on some excellent umd only games. On the other hand, no need to keep the psp when I finally upgrade to the NGP.

Thoughs GAF?

 

[jjasper]

Also the PSP2 now is officially the superior touch enabled device. 3DS is now a generation behind in touch technology.

Funny but true story.

If you had told 1,000 people before these 2 consoles were released that 1 would add 3D and the other would expand touch capabilities and asked which would do what I think 1,000 people would have thought Sony would have been the one adding 3D and Nintendo adding a new touch interface. Kinda crazy.

Hrm... picked up a psp last friday. With the news that PSP2 will be bc only with psn copies of games, thinking of returning it and nabbing a pspgo...

On one hand, missing out on some excellent umd only games. On the other hand, no need to keep the psp when I finally upgrade to the NGP.

Thoughs GAF?

Keep what you have. Nothing preventing you from buying PSP games on PSN with what you have. Just buy everything on PSN except the ones that are only on UMD.

 

[camineet]

I want my $299 PSP2 and word of R-Type Tactics 3.

 

[Man]

Hrm... picked up a psp last friday. With the news that PSP2 will be bc only with psn copies of games, thinking of returning it and nabbing a pspgo...

On one hand, missing out on some excellent umd only games. On the other hand, no need to keep the psp when I finally upgrade to the NGP.

Thoughs GAF?

Return it for a Go. Don't dig yourself a UMD hole if you don't have to.

 

[H_Prestige]

True. PS1 and PS2 were both affordable $299 consoles. They were the best options at the time for gaming.

Gamecube was $99.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Hrm... picked up a psp last friday. With the news that PSP2 will be bc only with psn copies of games, thinking of returning it and nabbing a pspgo...

On one hand, missing out on some excellent umd only games. On the other hand, no need to keep the psp when I finally upgrade to the NGP.

Thoughs GAF?

If you didn't know, You can still download all the same games on your normal PSP as you can on a Go. If there's a good deal with free games on a Go it might be worth it though.

 

[dragonfart28]

the PS1 was successful because it was the affordable option.

The N64 was successful too.

The long and short of it is that Sony couldn't make something that would stand out as unique. And I don't blame them for it - there's not much left to make in the videogame world. We've got one more upgrade next generation on the home console front and then the hardware industry is done like dinner.

We've maxxed out our sensory-tech ideas and thankfully the software will carry both handhelds to be successful for years to come. I'll wait for the refinements and price cuts of these existing models, because they'll be here for the next 10 years at least.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I'm still confused about internal storage to be honest. I'm not seeing it listed anywhere in spec sheets and the Tretton interview doesn't bode well.

Ross: Let's talk about the new memory card. Is that just an SD card? Or is it a little longer?

Tretton: At this point all we're saying is it is proprietary storage capabilities, we're not getting into defining what it is yet.

Ross: Was there internal storage mentioned?

Tretton: Not that I'm aware of.

Does anyone have official confirmation that this thing has internal storage?

 

[Jamesfrom818]

If you had told 1,000 people before these 2 consoles were released that 1 would add 3D and the other would expand touch capabilities and asked which would do what I think 1,000 people would have thought Sony would have been the one adding 3D and Nintendo adding a new touch interface. Kinda crazy.

Fits into Nintendo's blue ocean strategy. Companies were following Nintendo into "non-games" so they headed back to hardcore gaming...sorta

 

[Takao]

Gamecube was $99.

His point still stands about best options.

 

[gofreak]

I'm still confused about internal storage to be honest. I'm not seeing it listed anywhere in spec sheets and the Tretton interview doesn't bode well.



Does anyone have official confirmation that this thing has internal storage?

They're not confirming anything about it yet. But the French site that seemed to be spot on with their info about the spec suggested that there would be internal storage - perhaps 16GB of it. BUT, I think clearly Sony hasn't made a decision, or decided how much to put in and in what SKUs, so I wouldn't take anything as given yet.

 

[KZObsessed]

Just catching up now -_-

dual sticks, backwards compatibility with PSP (PSN) & PS1 titles, Playstation Network, trophies. Yeah that's pretty much everything I was hoping for.

Trying to find out more about this Killzone NGP game but I suppose it's clearly a very early tech demo and nothing more right now.

Impressive overall, I dont buy systems at launch but I can see myself getting this eventually.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

They're not confirming anything about it yet. But the French site that seemed to be spot on with their info about the spec suggested that there would be internal storage - perhaps 16GB of it. BUT, I think clearly Sony hasn't made a decision, or decided how much to put in and in what SKUs, so I wouldn't take anything as given yet.

Yeah, that's understandable. To be honest 16GB seems like very little and I know that's the first number that was thrown out. Just kind of odd if they haven't actually made the decision of whether or not it's gonna have ANY internal storage, or if they're not talking about it AT ALL at this point because they haven't decided how much.

 

[RDreamer]

I'm pretty impressed. This thing seems like an absolute beast. I'm really just stunned at the amount of stuff they threw in there (touch screen, dual analog, back touch pad, sixaxis, 2 cameras, etc). I'm also much more excited for this than the 3DS. I'm not a big fan of 3D shit, and I used my DS way less than my PSP. And I absolutely have to buy every Uncharted, even if it is made by a different team. Sucks that I bought everything on my PSP on UMD so far. I guess I'll have to start getting the PSN versions, probably starting with Tactics Ogre.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

god it's so amazing that they really didn't learn anything from the PS3 (and PSP, to an extent). No, consumers are NOT going to automatically jump on board for your hideously overpriced gaming dedicated platform. It's a toy for games. price it like a toy for games. $250 is too expensive; $300+ is just absurd.

if I was a shareholder for Sony i would be crying myself asleep tonight

This is the problem that I've stated, before. Sony is putting cutting-edge tech into a product segment whose customers are not accustomed to cutting-edge pricing. It doesn't matter if Sony prices these systems at a loss, if the system is still viewed as overpriced, compared to its direct competitors. The PS3 sold at an incredible loss, but still looked overpriced to the majority of gamers. At the same time, a ton of early-adopter home theater geeks saw it as the best value in Blu-ray players. Different value perceptions for different market segments. If there was a "prosumer" category for gaming devices, Sony's products would fall into it. Unfortunately for Sony, there isn't one, and the majority of their target audience can't identify the added value in Sony's devices.

Coincidentally, I'm responding to a guy who builds high-end gaming PCs. ;P

 

[TouchMyBox]

Is this thread 30 pages of people bitching about price points? Who cares, they'll announce a price and you'll either buy it or you'll be too poor and you won't buy it. It's the 3DS all over again.

 

[Diatribe1974]

Sorry if I missed it, but was a price mentioned?

If it's even remotely reasonable, this would seem to be the thread that makes the N3DS look at what it can do, then back to the PSP2 and feel it's little ePecker "turtle" like it just went into cold water (re: George Constanza in Seinfeld ep)

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Is this thread 30 pages of people bitching about price points? Who cares, they'll announce a price and you'll either buy it or you'll be too poor and you won't buy it. It's the 3DS all over again.

It's going to get much worse when they announce a $300 or higher price and people start flipping out wondering why they can't sell it for $250.

 

[KAL2006]

I may as well put this here as no one reads the PS Suite Thread

Engadget interview confirms the PS Suite will also offer non gaming apps, this could potentially be the appstore for PSP2 as well as it working on other android devices.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/27/engadget-interview-sceas-jack-tretton-talks-sony-ngp-announce/

 

[AdventureRacing]

I really like what sony have built, and if they get the price right i think they could be very competitive with the 3DS.

I only have one complaint, it's pretty fucking ugly. I also hate where the nubs are placed.

 

[Mr_Appleby]

goodbye UMD, we hardly knew ye. don't let the door smack you in the arse.

because I know the fate of the old PSP. It hasn't been touched in a year, because there are simply no games on it that I even remotely care for. On one side is this a personal problem, but on the other side it totally isn't. There was an enormous lack of something during the original PSP's lifetime and that was innovation, not in terms of hardware, but in terms of software.

i felt the same way as you, my 1000 is not much better than i door stop. actually worse since it's not heavy enough. then i fell in love with the pspgo. since i love me some rpg's and MH, once i started diving in on the go i found that there are games i enjoy for the system.

for me personally the 3ds is just an "evolved" ds in the sense the NGP is an "evolved" psp like you say. since I am physically unable to see the 3D effect, it's most touted new feature is worth nothing (and the fact that i can simply turn the 3D off and enjoy my games like anybody else shows how much value it actually adds). don't get me wrong, i've loved my DS's since i first laid hands on one, but the GO has ignited a passion for the sony handheld I thought i didn't actually have. i'll be picking up both of them over the course of the next couple of years, that's a given.

 

[linkboy]

Hrm... picked up a psp last friday. With the news that PSP2 will be bc only with psn copies of games, thinking of returning it and nabbing a pspgo...

On one hand, missing out on some excellent umd only games. On the other hand, no need to keep the psp when I finally upgrade to the NGP.

Thoughs GAF?

Keep what you have. That way you have the best of both worlds, access to the UMD games and PSN access.

If I get the PSP2, I'm not getting rid of my PSP.

 

[Amir0x]

? I'd figure you were the last person on this forum who would ever say that.

Unfortunately we don't live in a fairy tale world and the reality is if the system DOESN'T get mass market support then it WON'T get the games and the system will be a worthless investment.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I urge all of you to read the Jack Tretton interview with Engadget.

Well, the goal is that people will appreciate the quality and the technology, and it's aspirational. First you create the market where people want it, and then you try to achieve a price that's within reach... So I think we certainly got people's attention with the technology. They can see the quality, they can see the value there. It's a question of whether we can bring it in at a price that compels them to want and go out and buy it. That's the goal.

Aspirational.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Awesome screens in the OP, but is it just me or does Killzone look really underwhelming?

Resistance looks a little 'eh?' to me too.

 

[gofreak]

I urge all of you to read the Jack Tretton interview with Engadget.



Aspirational.

As long as it's aspirational AND within reach. Aspirational doesn't necessarily imply crazy expensive...no matter what it costs, good price or bad, they want you to aspire to one. I think he's just saying that they want to make you want one, and then give you a price that's reasonable so you'll buy it - what's so crazy about this? I mean it's the exact strategy they took with every other Playstation except PS3 - made it super sexy, super desirable, made people speculate about all kinds of prices and then...come in with a reasonable price. I hope this is a return to that.

 

[Sutanreyu]

I think a big feature that people seem to be glossing over is the fact that its underlying OS could possibly be a customized Android system, since it apparently will run Android apps(?).

Could it be a sign that Sony will embrace 'homebrew' in this way?

 

[electroshockwave]

Do we have any idea now what game DJmizuhara was talking about before the conference? (the one that was ported from the PS3 in a week and runs at 60fps) Or do you think it was part of the third party sizzle reel that wasn't shown?

 

[Jamesfrom818]

I think a big feature that people seem to be glossing over is the fact that its underlying OS could possibly be a customized Android system, since it apparently will run Android apps(?).

Could it be a sign that Sony will embrace 'homebrew' in this way?

I certainly hope xda can find a way to get Android fully functional on it but I think its Android compatibility will be limited to the compatibility that rumored about future BlackBerry devices. It probably just uses Dalvik VM.

 

[marc^o^]

god it's so amazing that they really didn't learn anything from the PS3 (and PSP, to an extent). No, consumers are NOT going to automatically jump on board for your hideously overpriced gaming dedicated platform. It's a toy for games. price it like a toy for games. $250 is too expensive; $300+ is just absurd.

if I was a shareholder for Sony i would be crying myself asleep tonight

I'm with you on that. First, the size/design will exclude non hardcore gamers. Girls won't buy a PSP2. Too bad, there are now a significant part of the market. Beyond the form factor, prices will prove too high for casuals.

On the other hand, psp owners remain potential PSP2 buyers. CoD alone could add 10 millions of fans who didn't care for a psp before.

And more importantly, the touchscreen combined with the app store will build solid foundations for the future.

Sure, Nintendo will win its bet with 3D.
And 3DS will certainly sell much better than PSP2. But unlike Sony they won't go far beyond gaming without being able to replicate an App Store.

Smartphones have an edge over devices like the PSP now, because of the phone. But it could change in the future once more and more people use skype/what'sapp and such cross platform communication tools.

And so I could see Sony be ready for the next, broader fight, with the NGP2/PSP3.

Sony is seeing long term. I'm impressed with their move, it is led by a vision.

 

[Yoboman]

$250 is perfectly fine for a handheld, yes it is expensive but PSP proved you can have success launching from that price and that is why Nintendo has followed suit. 60 million sold is pretty damn impressive, and if PSP had had a bit of luck getting a hit like Nintendogs early on then I have no doubt it could've catapulted even further.

I'm with you on that. First, the size/design will exclude non hardcore gamers. Girls won't buy a PSP2. Too bad, there are now a significant part of the market. Beyond the form factor, prices will prove too high for casuals.

On the other hand, psp owners remain potential PSP2 buyers. CoD alone could add 10 millions of fans who didn't care for a psp before.

It all comes down to marketing. I think Sony need to launch with the white system, rather than a hulking blakc behemoth again:

That thing looks sleek and is marketable to the broader audience. I don't think it looking like a gaming system is a negative like most of you think, nobody applies that criticism to 3DS, and it is way uglier than PSP2 if we are being realistic.

 

[Takao]

Do we have any idea now what game DJmizuhara was talking about before the conference? (the one that was ported from the PS3 in a week and runs at 60fps) Or do you think it was part of the third party sizzle reel that wasn't shown?

During the Unreal Engine 3 thing the Epic people said they moved a project from PS3 to NGP within a week without any performance hit. They actually demoed the game, it had wizards.

 

[Corto]

Do we have any idea now what game DJmizuhara was talking about before the conference? (the one that was ported from the PS3 in a week and runs at 60fps) Or do you think it was part of the third party sizzle reel that wasn't shown?

Maybe MGS4?

 

[Lonely1]

The PSP2 (Wifi model) will cost $299. End of line.

It will cost slightly more than the 3DS to have it's high-end image intact but below the magical $300 barrier (and within range of EEDAR hardware cost estimates).
Yoshida/Hirai/House says that system cost was a great concern this time around and that it will be affordable. Tretton is corrected ten times in his interview.

Can i see a link for this?

 

[electroshockwave]

During the Unreal Engine 3 thing the Epic people said they moved a project from PS3 to NGP within a week without any performance hit. They actually demoed the game, it had wizards.

Oh, Gears of Warlocks?

 

[Adent]

In the articles I've read they don't point out one of the most significant things about the PSP2. I don't see a slot for an UMD. So is this thing download only? What do retailers think about this? Nintendo must be really happy about this because they will have double the shelf space for 3DS games.

 

[kaching]

I'll take that bet. They're using an extremely popular architecture for a reason.

I would think the main reason is cost savings.

 

[Corto]

In the articles I've read they don't point out one of the most significant things about the PSP2. I don't see a slot for an UMD. So is this thing download only? What do retailers think about this? Nintendo must be really happy about this because they will have double the shelf space for 3DS games.

Proprietary Flash Card

 

[Akira]

If Lumines NGP is announced as a launch title, day one.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

In the articles I've read they don't point out one of the most significant things about the PSP2. I don't see a slot for an UMD. So is this thing download only? What do retailers think about this? Nintendo must be really happy about this because they will have double the shelf space for 3DS games.

Jesus christ, trolling while being intentionally uninformed. Read the OP. It uses a flash-based proprietary format.

 

[M3Freak]

It's cool that it'll be able to play PSP titles from the PSN store. My recent PSP purchases have all been from the PSN store - win!

However, I have quite a few UMD games. I'd love to have PSN versions of them, but not if it means having to buy them all over again. I wish Sony had a trade in program. I'd be willing to pay for mailing my PSP games to Sony to get back a PSN code to download the game.

So, it's a bit of a bummer in that sense.

 

[Corto]

If Lumines NGP is announced as a launch title, day one.

Q Entertainment is there on the list. We're halfway there. Believe...

 

[Hieberrr]

Holy crap.. now Im considering not getting a 3DS :S

 

[Vamphuntr]

I'm impressed by how the games look but I'm still on the fence about the NGP because of the many crucial details we have yet to obtain. It really seems like something they put together in a hurry. They called in a conference while the handheld is not yet complete and once again Sony pulled the tech demos card. Rumours were saying that developers had dev kits in their hands months ago and yet most of the games shown by third parties were cutscenes and tech demos. I mean sure maybe they are keeping their big reveal for E3 but it made Sony look really bad, as if they had thrown this at the last minute.

Twin sticks is a really good idea as this was one of the main complain about the control schemes on PSP. Furthermore, the Uncharted demo did make good use of the touchscreen and touchpad. On the other hand the cameras look quite gimmicky especially for Hot Shots Golf. The second stick is good enough to control the camera. I can't really picture someone using the cameras to move the ingame camera on a regular basis. Getting rid of the UMD drive is another good thing as games on UMD were often plagued by looooong loading times.

I'm also quite curious to know what kind of storage medium it will use and if the NGP itself has internal storage? I'm not even sure about the kind of cards that will be used to store retail games.

So many parameters still up in the air...

 

[theBishop]

If Lumines NGP is announced as a launch title, day one.

Its on the psn store, right? Do you want a new one? The sequel wasnt as good imo.

 

[Corto]

Holy crap.. now Im considering not getting a 3DS :S

Buy both... you only need one kidney.

 

[demosthenes]

$299.99 and I'll bite Sony.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

If it is 299.99, there will literally be no reason to buy a 3DS. Other than 3D and Nintendo games, of course. Hopefully, the NGP matches the 3DS in third party support(and by the looks of things, it will).

 

[Hieberrr]

Buy both... you only need one kidney.

Hmmm... excellent point!

 

[r1chard]

Holy crap I'm actually excited by something that has PSP in its name (and I say this as an old-school PSP owner). I only hope it gets the dev support and they really do keep that price down to a sensible level this time...