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Pulsemyne presents Marvel's Damage Control on Nintendo Switch: NeoGAF Edition

K now do ones for the pro controller lacking analog triggers and a headphone port, the fucked up online situation, the lineup, the accessory pricing, etc.

1. Pro controller doesn't have good triggers or headphone jack!?!
Nintendo has the best controllers, they know how to do triggers. And no headphone jack in the controller took courage.

2. The online is shit!!!
Nintendo is putting everything they have into their online, don't be so hard on them. You can't just throw together an online infrastructure overnight, it is complicated. Besides, the most successful console of all time, the PS2, didn't have any online at all! At least they are letting us pay for it this time.

Whew sorry somebody will have to take care of the rest, I'm tired from these gymnastics

Just stop buying their consoles until they are in the bargain bin. Its my plan.

Nintendo will be lucky if I ever buy another piece of their tech EVER again. I bought a WiiU day one. I thought they learned. Fool me once, etc etc
 
I think it will sell well.

One kid is going to buy and take it to school to play minecraft multiplayer with a friend, then every kid will buy one.

Those kids have parents who will be paying for Switch, and quite frankly here in Aus buying a Switch with 2 games is competing with getting an iPad mini which already has a serviceable version of Minecraft. Plus it does all the things an iPad does that the Switch doesn't.
 
OP, I wonder, what's your take on mandatory online fees?

Because in an announcement full of disappointments that's the point where I personally gave up on the device.
 
Ah thanks for the title change mods.

By the way the definition of a myth can be "a widely held but false belief or idea". Hence the old "shatter a few myths" (which was also another reference to Brasseye for those fans out there).
I must say I didn't quite expect neogaf to be so...annoyed by my post. Still if anyone would care to rebut the things I said then go right ahead. But please do with facts. Let's make something worth while out of this thread.
Now I do except that Nintendo have done a poor job trying to sell people on the machine. Last nights conference was...well a bit shit to be honest.
Yet the machine is as good as it could be for what it's trying to do. It is, of course, up to you dear reader to come to the conclusion if it's what you want.
However if you disagree with me then
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Only joking.

Somehow I dont think you are joking.
I feel sorry for your sad life.
 
You know what? We can talk if Nintendo introduces an SKU without the tablet. Somehow make the dock the actual console, cut out the cost of tablet (around 100$?) and I'm in.
 
1. Pro controller doesn't have good triggers or headphone jack!?!
Nintendo has the best controllers, they know how to do triggers. And no headphone jack in the controller took courage.

2. The online is shit!!!
Nintendo is putting everything they have into their online, don't be so hard on them. You can't just throw together an online infrastructure overnight, it is complicated. Besides, the most successful console of all time, the PS2, didn't have any online at all! At least they are letting us pay for it this time.

Whew sorry somebody will have to take care of the rest, I'm tired from these gymnastics



Nintendo will be lucky if I ever buy another piece of their tech EVER again. I bought a WiiU day one. I thought they learned. Fool me once, etc etc

In a world where FF 11 didnt exist yes the ps2 had no online at all
 
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This one image sums up neogaf today, but not so much about the very real concerns regarding price or lack of software/online. No it concerns the technology in the Switch and it's mostly from people who have no idea the costs of such technology or blatant trolling.
So I thought it was time to put some myths, half truths or bald faced lies to bed.

1. Urgh the battery life is terrible! Nintendo cheaped out on it!!!!
Nope they didn't. Sorry but that is a fact. For the size and form factor of the switch nintendo has actually put in a good battery (for once). Remember they have a relatively small form factor to fill and lithium ion battery tech hasn't exactly made great strides for a long time. The battery will take up the majority of the Switches case as well. For the price point they aimed at they actually did a good job.

2. But it runs out in 2.5 hours!
When running intensive games it will do (Zelda runs for 3 hours). Guess what though, that's lithium ion batteries for you. They can only store so much charge and they are still the best things we have. If you want an example of how limited battery tech is try playing a graphically intensive game on your iphone or other mobile device. You will say goodbye to your battery...fast, and they are using tech not as good as in the switch. Also, for the billionth time, the battery can recharge and the machine still be played at the same time, just like every single tablet or handheld console ever. So no, you're not going to be playing Zelda on your TV screen and then when you remove the switch discover it's battery is dead.

3. It takes 3 hours the charge!
Yeah because it's not using quick charge. The likely reason for this is that Quick charging lithium ion can degrade the longevity of the battery. Last thing Nintendo want is machines eating through their batteries. Which takes me nicely onto...

4. I can't change the battery!
Not strictly true. You could decide to lose all sense and open up your switch but that's risky. Changing the battery on a tablet like device is a pain in the arse and can easily mess up unless you know what your doing. You have to do all sorts of awkward things like pry the glass away (Tricky), make sure you open it up correctly (Otherwise it's screwed digitizer time), make sure the ribbon cables are removed etc. Oh and your warranty is fucked. Tablets tend to be sealed units because they contain delicate components inside.

5. Wow it's not very powerful is it!
For a mobile device it is. In fact it's very powerful. More powerful than the WiiU or any of the previous generations machines while drinking a fraction of the electricity. The tegra X1 in the machine is pretty much the best there is in the mobile market and there's nothing out there at the moment or even for the next few years that'll beat it. Nvidia really made a good chip.

6. Yeah but the chips speed is lower than the one in the Nvidia shield.
Ah the old, 1Ghz versus 768mhz, confusion. Yeah people were a bit mystified at this, but thanks to some researching by your fellow gaffers it seems that when the Tegra X1 runs at max power for a few minutes it does what all hot chips do, it downclocks so it doesn't fry to death. The speed it downclocks to is.....768mhz. So all Nintendo are doing is making sure when the machine is docked it doesn't melt the console. Remember it's operating in a much smaller form factor than the Nvidia shield does so it's very sensible decision on Nintendos part. Speaking of the Nvidia shield...

7. The price is way too high on the Switch.
Okay I'll talk about price. Would we have all liked the price lower? God yes. However, consider what you getting for the Uk price of 280 pounds (which by the way is more expensive than America is paying). You are getting the guts of an Nvidia shield with some customisation. You are also getting a 6.2 inch IPS display (and a good one I might add). You are getting two joy cons controllers and the handle thing/come charger, as well as other bits and bobs. Now if you look at the UK price on the new Nvidia shields, which use the same tech and feature less main memory, then it's 180 pounds. That's basically just the machine and power supply and a remote thingy. There's no screen, there's no battery, there's no joycons (which seem to cost quite a bit). All of those extra bits bump up the cost of manufacture quite a bit. For reference the Nvidia shield pro, with is fancy controller, costs......280 pounds!
MOBILE TECHNOLOGY COSTS MONEY. IT IS NOT CHEAP TO MAKE.
For a company that wants to make a small amount of profit on machines it sells it's probably the best they can do. Remember MS and Sony initially sell machines at a loss, a big loss. MS burnt billions with the Xbox 360 and sony did with the PS3. Even the newest consoles were probably sold either on margin or at a small loss. Nintendo do not want to make a loss on a machine, they did with the WiiU at the start and it hurt them.

TL:DR. Stuff costs money to build, stuff also has to work in a variety of conditions without burning your hands. Nintendo got the best they could for the price they aimed at. So when someone in a topic moans about any of the above just point them here.

Do you work for Nintendo? If not, why do you care this much about people's valid opinions and concerns?
 
The Dock is $90 dollars

Well of course, plastic is expensive, and a dock is so much more than that. It has THREE USB ports, and outputs to HDMI. No other portable system on the market let's you do that. Except for most tablets, but they are less powerful and the SWITCH will be more powerful than them for years to come. And anyway, what price the convenience of easily using 1 Switch on multiple TVs? 90 dollars that's what!
 
You bring up some good points, however some are extremes - not the average joe will be able to remove a battery when you have to carefully remove the screen etc. Sadly people will jump on your extreme points instead of your more reasonable ones that make sense (such as battery being good, etc)
 
Minecraft was just an example..

It could be mario or zelda. Wii U is a good console but you have to play to understand. Same with switch. At least that's what I think.
It worked out well for Wii U didn't it? No, this is not going to work. This isn't a $100 2DS or cheap 3DS on sale. You are talking about $300 for the console, $50-$150 sd card, $20-$40 case and potentially the grip with the charger and another controller. All of this for a kid to play one or two games. That's not happening till price drops.
 
But nobody else is working on this kind of device at this kind of form factor.

The iPad Pro 9.7 from middle of last year runs neck and neck with the Pixel C/Shield Tablet in offscreen mode... I bet this years iPad destroys it. And it doesn't burst into flames (like OPs reasoning for downclock).

Heck I had the more powerful Shield Tablet and ran games on it with it getting only mildly warm. So the reasoning for downclocking is probably just for battery life because I will bet it has a smaller battery than the Shield Tablet.
 
Um I hate to be the bearer of bad news for the OP and many other Switch supporters, but the iPad Pro that released in 2015 is faster than the Switch. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a decent bit faster since the Switch is downclocked.
 
Um I hate to be the bearer of bad news for the OP and many other Switch supporters, but the iPad Pro that released in 2015 is faster than the Switch. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a decent bit faster since the Switch is downclocked.

You're comparing an $800+ tablet that has to power a 12.9" screen with 2732x2048 resolution... to a $300 game console.
 
TL:DR. Stuff costs money to build
Money that would have been better spent on a more traditional, powerful system. Imagine; Nintendo could have put everything into hardware and kick started a new generation where every third party title would play better and it would play everything new for the next 5-7 years to come whilst Sony & MS just add buffs to their current consoles. Sure, Sony & MS would release new systems later, but Nintendo would already have their foot in the door way ahead of everyone else. Third parties would actually be interested in that.

Instead they skimp out, bet on faux "innovation" and cross their fingers for more of that Wii lightning in a bottle.
 
images


This one image sums up neogaf today, but not so much about the very real concerns regarding price or lack of software/online. No it concerns the technology in the Switch and it's mostly from people who have no idea the costs of such technology or blatant trolling.
So I thought it was time to put some myths, half truths or bald faced lies to bed.

1. Urgh the battery life is terrible! Nintendo cheaped out on it!!!!
Nope they didn't. Sorry but that is a fact. For the size and form factor of the switch nintendo has actually put in a good battery (for once). Remember they have a relatively small form factor to fill and lithium ion battery tech hasn't exactly made great strides for a long time. The battery will take up the majority of the Switches case as well. For the price point they aimed at they actually did a good job.

2. But it runs out in 2.5 hours!
When running intensive games it will do (Zelda runs for 3 hours). Guess what though, that's lithium ion batteries for you. They can only store so much charge and they are still the best things we have. If you want an example of how limited battery tech is try playing a graphically intensive game on your iphone or other mobile device. You will say goodbye to your battery...fast, and they are using tech not as good as in the switch. Also, for the billionth time, the battery can recharge and the machine still be played at the same time, just like every single tablet or handheld console ever. So no, you're not going to be playing Zelda on your TV screen and then when you remove the switch discover it's battery is dead.

3. It takes 3 hours the charge!
Yeah because it's not using quick charge. The likely reason for this is that Quick charging lithium ion can degrade the longevity of the battery. Last thing Nintendo want is machines eating through their batteries. Which takes me nicely onto...

4. I can't change the battery!
Not strictly true. You could decide to lose all sense and open up your switch but that's risky. Changing the battery on a tablet like device is a pain in the arse and can easily mess up unless you know what your doing. You have to do all sorts of awkward things like pry the glass away (Tricky), make sure you open it up correctly (Otherwise it's screwed digitizer time), make sure the ribbon cables are removed etc. Oh and your warranty is fucked. Tablets tend to be sealed units because they contain delicate components inside.

5. Wow it's not very powerful is it!
For a mobile device it is. In fact it's very powerful. More powerful than the WiiU or any of the previous generations machines while drinking a fraction of the electricity. The tegra X1 in the machine is pretty much the best there is in the mobile market and there's nothing out there at the moment or even for the next few years that'll beat it. Nvidia really made a good chip.

6. Yeah but the chips speed is lower than the one in the Nvidia shield.
Ah the old, 1Ghz versus 768mhz, confusion. Yeah people were a bit mystified at this, but thanks to some researching by your fellow gaffers it seems that when the Tegra X1 runs at max power for a few minutes it does what all hot chips do, it downclocks so it doesn't fry to death. The speed it downclocks to is.....768mhz. So all Nintendo are doing is making sure when the machine is docked it doesn't melt the console. Remember it's operating in a much smaller form factor than the Nvidia shield does so it's very sensible decision on Nintendos part. Speaking of the Nvidia shield...

7. The price is way too high on the Switch.
Okay I'll talk about price. Would we have all liked the price lower? God yes. However, consider what you getting for the Uk price of 280 pounds (which by the way is more expensive than America is paying). You are getting the guts of an Nvidia shield with some customisation. You are also getting a 6.2 inch IPS display (and a good one I might add). You are getting two joy cons controllers and the handle thing/come charger, as well as other bits and bobs. Now if you look at the UK price on the new Nvidia shields, which use the same tech and feature less main memory, then it's 180 pounds. That's basically just the machine and power supply and a remote thingy. There's no screen, there's no battery, there's no joycons (which seem to cost quite a bit). All of those extra bits bump up the cost of manufacture quite a bit. For reference the Nvidia shield pro, with is fancy controller, costs......280 pounds!
MOBILE TECHNOLOGY COSTS MONEY. IT IS NOT CHEAP TO MAKE.
For a company that wants to make a small amount of profit on machines it sells it's probably the best they can do. Remember MS and Sony initially sell machines at a loss, a big loss. MS burnt billions with the Xbox 360 and sony did with the PS3. Even the newest consoles were probably sold either on margin or at a small loss. Nintendo do not want to make a loss on a machine, they did with the WiiU at the start and it hurt them.

TL:DR. Stuff costs money to build, stuff also has to work in a variety of conditions without burning your hands. Nintendo got the best they could for the price they aimed at. So when someone in a topic moans about any of the above just point them here.

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You're comparing an $800+ tablet that has to power a 12.9" screen with 2732x2048 resolution... to a $300 game console.

And that changes people claiming that "no other mobile chip is close to the Tegra X1" how?

Edit: Also, the 9.7" iPad Pro is also faster. And the iPhone 7 is getting pretty darn close.

Edit 2: Not to mention the Google Pixel C has the Tegra X1 in it as well.

Edit 3: Last edit, I promise.. I'd like to stress again that the iPad Pro is 2015 tech. by the time the Switch comes out it will be 1.5 years old.
 
Well you sure cleared that up OP. Now I'm confident in purchasing a Switch.

Or I would be had it revealed a more titles than the 1.5 games that only somewhat interest me.
 
And that changes people claiming that "no other mobile chip is close to the Tegra X1" how?

Edit: Also, the 9.7" iPad Pro is also faster. And the iPhone 7 is getting pretty darn close.

Edit 2: Not to mention the Google Pixel C has the Tegra X1 in it as well.

Edit 3: Last edit, I promise.. I'd like to stress again that the iPad Pro is 2015 tech. by the time the Switch comes out it will be 1.5 years old.

To be fair, all of those other devices throttle their chips heavily don't they? Not that I disagree about the age of the tech, going with the X1 is weird to me...although given that the new Shield TV is still using it as well, perhaps the Pascal based Tegra is being skipped altogether for any consumer device.
 
To be fair, all of those other devices throttle their chips heavily don't they? Not that I disagree about the age of the tech, going with the X1 is weird to me...although given that the new Shield TV is still using it as well, perhaps the Pascal based Tegra is being skipped altogether for any consumer device.

The 12.9" Pro doesn't, but it does have a much larger surface area to dissipate heat. Still, considering the Switch is a gaming machine and is much thicker than any of the above devices you would think they'd be able to put more effort into cooling than phone/tablet makers usually do.

Edit: I want to make it clear I'm not saying the chip in the Switch isn't a great chip, it is! I just wanted people to stop claiming it's the best chip on the market and will be for a while, it's not.
 
OK; now I've got to know. What was the original title?

You made it seem like what he was doing is ridiculous. Maybe you intended it differently, but that's what it seemed like to me.

And it is ridiculous. That you are in your right to do something doesn't protect you from others mocking you when you fail hilariously. I mean, why should he be free to state his opinion, but others forbidden from doing the exact same?
 
OP, I wonder, what's your take on mandatory online fees?

Because in an announcement full of disappointments that's the point where I personally gave up on the device.

Let me answer you, my friend, on behalf of the OP, on which I share his Mythbusters ability.

1. You have to pay for online!

We live in a increasingly connected world. And Nintendo wants to help and encourage this reality. They want children and elders be able to be part of this, but in a safe way, outside of the black pool of negativity that surrounds the gaming world. Parental controls are not enough to provide this safety, we need the software, people and infrastructure to make it possible. But Nintendo can't do this alone! They need your help! And mine!. So you are not paying online, your funding the ideal online family friendly system! We are making the world a better place! Only monsters and gaffers could be this negative when the only thing Nintendo wants is a world on where kids can play games without being molested.
 
And that changes people claiming that "no other mobile chip is close to the Tegra X1" how?

I don't care about the OPs claims because I didn't even read his wall of text. It just sounded hilarious that you called yourself the bearer of bad news because the Switch is weaker than an iPad Pro.

Of course the TX1 SoC is going to be outdone pretty quickly, we are into the new year where phones can have a single chip of 8GB LPDDR4 RAM.

Just like how home consoles get outdone by PCs very quickly, so will handhelds be outdone by tablets, especially a tablet that is almost 3x expensive as a Switch like you mentioned.

It's not bad news rather it is something to be expected.
 
Thank you OP, we need more enlightening post like this in the wave of baseless wining threads some people are making.

Thank you!
 
Nah dude. You're not addressing a lot of the big problems. Games look great, but everything else is shit. Pro Controller is $70. Joycon Set with the grip is $110. Paid online that doesn't even have shit like voice chat embedded into the system, you have to do it through a phone. And the free game a month you get is only for a single month. You don't get a charging Grip with the console. 1, 2 Switch should be a pack-in. Not a lot of games at launch. And it's overpriced as shit in places that aren't the United States or Japan.

I have this preordered because I love Nintendo games and they showed some good shit. But they dropped the ball. Hard.

This.

Its a good attempt at damage control OP, but i find the people dismissing the major issues or pretending they don't exist a lot more annoying than the people actually complaining about them.

Without complaints Nintendo won't try and fix any of this shit that they can obviously attempt to mitigate unrelated to the power aspect like their online service, the price of the peripherals and such.
 
I don't care about the OPs claims because I didn't even read his wall of text. It just sounded hilarious that you called yourself the bearer of bad news because the Switch is weaker than an iPad Pro.

Of course the TX1 SoC is going to be outdone pretty quickly, we are into the new year where phones can have a single chip of 8GB LPDDR4 RAM.

Just like how home consoles get outdone by PCs very quickly, so will handhelds be outdone by tablets, especially a tablet that is almost 3x expensive as a Switch like you mentioned.

It's not bad news rather it is something to be expected.

You do realize I specified "To the OP and many other Switch supporters" and not everyone, correct? I know lots of people already realize this, but unfortunately it seems like quite a few don't.
 
This thread is a classic. OP i hope you like the direction of your thread now.
 
4. I can't change the battery!
Not strictly true. You could decide to lose all sense and open up your switch but that's risky. Changing the battery on a tablet like device is a pain in the arse and can easily mess up unless you know what your doing. You have to do all sorts of awkward things like pry the glass away (Tricky), make sure you open it up correctly (Otherwise it's screwed digitizer time), make sure the ribbon cables are removed etc. Oh and your warranty is fucked. Tablets tend to be sealed units because they contain delicate components inside.

I cannot get over the cartoon levels of insanity of this "point".

Best case scenario, warranty voided automatically.
Average case scenario, break your console.
Worst case scenario, death from electrocution.

None of those options are good, or a reasonable workaround.
 
Yeah the tech is absolutely fine but I'd say it's a bit pricy and I'd have accepted 720p on both TV and Switch if it pushed it down. People complaining about storage and asking why it does have a harddrive I think highlights the issues.

I mean fuck people expected a PS4 in about a fifth of the volume. Thats on them.

But I still think all these things have to come together and make a compelling product. All the tech in the joycons seems like overkill to me - and takes away from the systems main feature - switching. The joycons feel like the console Nintendo not agreeing with the handheld Nintendo.

Which also plays out in the software we've seen. It's Wii U stuff not 3DS stuff. I feel there's a big missing best to the story Nintendo is selling.

So yeah for me I'd want even more people complaining as frankly I think there should have been a lot more compromise to get the price down.
 
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