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"Punchers are born, not made" - Mike Tyson

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HStallion said:
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He was straight up anime, Dempsey roll and all.
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Right out of an anime. Wow.
 
lightskintwin said:
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That reminds me,

Was at a smaller dance club one time and there was a dance circle going on. Some big ass white dude was yelling and mocking the dancers drunkenly. Jumping in the circle dancing horribly and pushing people out of the way and stuff. His friends were egging him on at first and after a while even they just started to look at their drinks on the table because they knew their friend would go too far.

He stood up and yelled some incoherent mess followed by "... my ni**a!" at this buff black dude that was dancing. The black dude just knocked him out that fast like in the gif. He was slim but muscular but way smaller than the white dude. It was fuckin nuts. The music cut out and you could just hear the white dude snoring lol.
 
Tekniqs said:
y'all musta forgot!

RJJ in his utmost prime is the best lb for lb fighter I've ever seen.
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Different thread, but yeah. I was big Roy fan back in the day. Has anyone declined as quickly as he did though? He was at the top of his game, pulled off some amazing wins, and then it was all over very quickly.
 
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JasonUresti said:
Based on his legendary wins over guys like Mitch Green and Bonecrusher Smith?

Tyson was physically impressive and looked good against cans most of the time, but the fact is for all the excuses people are sure to bring up, he lost and lost badly against every great fighter he ever went against, with the exception of when he fought Larry Holmes out of shape ghost.
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Facts aren't excuses, Tyson by that point or hell in the 90s period was not the same Tyson of the 1980s, he was a completely different fighter and a much worse boxer at that point who pretty much lost and forgot everything he had learned.
 
Tyson is one of my favorite fighters ever. He may not have fought the calibre of opponents Ali or Frasier did, but he was a goddam beast. His style was fantastic, he was incredible to watch, the youngest HW champion ever, won every fight in the junior Olympics by KO, had a lifestyle that would make most rock stars blush, was worth 400mil and spent every cent of it on coke, tigers, cars and women, and did it all as a barely educated street kid. Fucking legend.
 
There is definitely truth to what he says. Each person is born with natural limits to his/her ability from intelligence, cardiovascular capacity, to building muscles and excelling at certain things including sports. There are people who no matter what they do to improve their physical fitness, they will never reach people who don't even do half the effort. It's just what it is.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Different thread, but yeah. I was big Roy fan back in the day. Has anyone declined as quickly as he did though? He was at the top of his game, pulled off some amazing wins, and then it was all over very quickly.
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Roy in his mid 30's gained 25 lbs of muscle to go up to heavyweight and win a world title, he should've stayed there. Instead he lost all that weight and decided to go back to Light Heavyweight and his body was never the same.
 
Well yeah, black boxers have the advantage of instantaneous movement, so it's obvious why Tyson would be such a goddamn beast.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
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Facts aren't excuses, Tyson by that point or hell in the 90s period was not the same Tyson of the 1980s, he was a completely different fighter and a much worse boxer at that point who pretty much lost and forgot everything he had learned.
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He was also young. Losing his Coach/father figure who helped him become the number 1 fighter in the world, at the peak of his career would mess any kid up.
 
HStallion said:
Tyson was hungry as Hell, had an excellent trainer who was basically his surrogate father, and dude was naturally built like a bull. Combine all that and years and years of hard work and tough training and you got a wrecking ball of a human being. Tyson was eating dudes alive for a short time there and it was incredible
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It sounds like you're trying to argue Tyson's point but his trainer looked at him briefly when he was a kid who had barely any training and declared him a future heavyweight champion right there.
 
lightskintwin said:
Roy in his mid 30's gained 25 lbs of muscle to go up to heavyweight and win a world title, he should've stayed there. Instead he lost all that weight and decided to go back to Light Heavyweight and his body was never the same.
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Yeah, the weight gain and loss were both very rapid too, and as a result his body couldn't recover. He regained some of the form later on, but it was too late, and it was clear he'd never be the same.

In his prime, Roy was simply amazing. I'm still pissed he got robbed at the Olympics.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Yeah, the weight gain and loss were both very rapid too, and as a result his body couldn't recover. He regained some of the form later on, but it was too late, and it was clear he'd never be the same.

In his prime, Roy was simply amazing. I'm still pissed he got robbed at the Olympics.
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Well it was that coupled with his unorthodox style that relied so much on his quick reflexes. Roy didn't have the skillset to compensate for any loss to his physical speed.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Different thread, but yeah. I was big Roy fan back in the day. Has anyone declined as quickly as he did though? He was at the top of his game, pulled off some amazing wins, and then it was all over very quickly.
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His moving up all the way to HW then back down again to fight an already talented opponent are what cost him. If you don't do that right over a long enough time, your body won't adjust correctly.

RJJ still has natural talent though but since his style and habits relied too heavily on that natural ability he declined faster than someone who has a solid technical skill base.


More to the point of the thread, Tyson is absolutely correct.
 
smoothj said:
Mike was such a beast. Watching him train in the 80's just... damn. Wasn't balrog made after his likeness? He moves the same with the Bob and weave over-hooks.
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IIRC, Balrog is Mike Bison in Japan, but Capcom thought it would a legal liability overseas and switched names around.

Japan---US
Mike Bison (or M. Bison)---Balrog
Balrog---Vega
Vega---M.Bison
 
there was a huge debate in mma a few years ago on whether wrist size makes you a harder hitter or not

also i do think punchers are made, but there are a ton of intangibles that are hard to learn
 
Tyson's power was all from is lower back movement, he was Great!

Want to see another hard puncher? YT Gerald Maclellan* , sad story tho.
 
I don't believe in the concept of talent in a vacuum. I don't think some people are just better at some arbitrary things like some specific sports that man made up in the last 500 years at the moment they are born. Just a matter of specific circumstances while growing up etc.
 
Shredderi said:
I don't believe in the concept of talent in a vacuum. I don't think some people are just better at some arbitrary things like some specific sports that man made up in the last 500 years at the moment they are born. Just a matter of specific circumstances while growing up etc.
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Interesting idea but what about people like Einstein?
 
Laz-E-Boy said:
IIRC, Balrog is Mike Bison in Japan, but Capcom thought it would a legal liability overseas and switched names around.

Japan---US
Mike Bison (or M. Bison)---Balrog
Balrog---Vega
Vega---M.Bison
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In SF2, yeah.
 
Injuries can ruin even the most talented person. One unlucky moment can give you a injury that takes you away from training to a degree that no amount of talent can upkeep.

Genetics as well. Some people have an iron chin and get through it unscathed. Others are completely ruined. The human body was not made to take this sort of trauma to the head. The brain is not protected from this impact, and it carries, serious risk getting hit in the head. Boxing is grueling because so much of the blunt force is aimed at the head. The stance and the gloves, it's all aimed towards making the hardest punches and the cherry on top is punching someones head off. Like a cap on a soda bottle. In other striking arts with mroe body parts, there tends to be less concentration on the head. Even though a knee or a spinning kick is absolutely terrifying as well.
 
Shredderi said:
Forgot to mention but yeah I can't deny that there are actual geniuses who just have better brains. Also savants etc. It's kind of all encompassing and not super specific like being really good at a sport.
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I was thinking also along the lines of most things in his environment rejected him (for instance, being denied a gym teacher's job because he was deemed unqualified) and yet... He was clearly in right.

Some people just have it and will express it no matter what. Certainly related to the topic, I place the fighter Jack Johnson in that category, dude had the mentality and skills to see through the barriers.
 
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