seventynine
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Puppeteer is the most gorgeous platformer ever -- but how will it play?
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The Last Guardian.
Phife Dawg
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I agree with him, platforming in LBP was just awful, so glad I got that game as a free download.
Oh and just because someone doesn't have as many posts as you do doesn't invalidate his opinion. Because if we play that game: "My opinion > your opinion > his opinion" by total posts and "my opinion > his opinion > your opinion" when going by seniority.
Buying 2D Mario for full is pretty much the only way to buy 2D Mario - these games simply don't drop in price significantly. Other than the evergreen Nintendo franchises I never buy full though, be it dudebro shooter or 2D platformer. My backlog is big enough for me to play the waiting game.
Oh! OK.
Is TGS open to the public? Maybe Puppeteer will be there later this month and some Gaffers will be able to go hands-on?
Yep. This year Team Siren came out with Gravity Rush too. Japan Studios, excluding Team Ico, is mostly known for their heyday stuff. Ape Escape and whatnot.
Whoa, the Team Siren people made Gravity Rush? That game really tempted me on a Vita, but I'm waiting for the library to grow before I pull the trigger.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah Gamescom my bad
I didn't mean everyone. Just think it's unfair when those other games don't get "would buy on DD for 15 bucks" kind of responses.
Personally, I wouldn't pay 50-60 bucks for a platformer so I'm not speaking for myself here, just in general.
Oppo
Member
Of course. But s/he called MM "inept", which I thought was over the line.
For any given project, a developer can be competent in some regards and incompetent in others. The overly floaty platforming was either a case of not knowing how to make what is typically considered a fun platformer, or an ill-informed design choice that served the construction elements but undermined the actual running and jumping. MM clearly made competent choices in all other regards, though, from the creation elements to the presentation.
Brainiac 8
Member
I didn't call them inept or even think that they are. It's just that the physics engine they created to handle the creation tool just doesn't work with platforming well.
You are right though, MM are not inept...they just didn't create a great platformer.
seventynine
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I think what it is, is that people start from the position that the controls are broken and in need of a fix. That really isn't the case, they were designed that way. It fits within the thematic (and visual) context of that game. The developers of Trine also considered it a legitimate 'feel' too, I guess.
I wasn't too keen on the feel of LBP myself, but since playing the Vita version with the beta I think it's more to do with the looseness of the DS3s face buttons, the Vita (and Move's) micro switches are a better fit in my opinion.
As for The Puppeteer? Given the almighty backlash against the controls in LBP I wouldn't worry about it.
Interesting discussion.
Was there enough of a backlash against LBP's controls for Sony -- and Japan Studio -- to be aware to avoid what MM did in that regard? I hope so...
I also hope that Gavin isn't just name-dropping Nintendo and Rayman when he says he looks to them for inspiration. While I'm not fond of Rayman's controls, I still respect it as a platformer. I really hope he's studying Mario and DKC, though. I watched the Puppeteer trailer again and the bits that give me the most hope are the scissors -- those look undeniably fun to use, and apparently they're the most important mechanic in the game.
As for Trine, or more like the topic of controls in general... Don't get me wrong. I've taken strongly to some titles with controversial controls. Take Kid Icarus Uprising, for example; I -love- the controls in that game, and can complete stages on 9.0 difficulty using the stylus and no stand, with 3D cranked all the way up. There was an adjustment period, but the game is most definitely designed around the controls and they offer a level of speed and precision you simply couldn't get any other way (barring possibly KMB).
Still, with LBP and Trine, the physics made the platforming so plodding compared to what they could've been. LBP is the worse offender; I understand how its physics serve the creation tool, but still...
Does anyone else think this game is setting itself up for disaster?
1. Full Priced Retail Release
2. No mention of multiplayer - (the purists can hate me, but adding in a 4 player co-op mode would just sweeten this game's pot)
3. No mention of Vita
This game, unlike Rayman, will be on a SINGLE platform- the PS3. Rayman sold "ok" because it was ported to every platform under the sun. The PS3 audience has been fostered on cinematic action games- this will be a tough sell.
1. Full Priced Retail Release
2. No mention of multiplayer - (the purists can hate me, but adding in a 4 player co-op mode would just sweeten this game's pot)
3. No mention of Vita
This game, unlike Rayman, will be on a SINGLE platform- the PS3. Rayman sold "ok" because it was ported to every platform under the sun. The PS3 audience has been fostered on cinematic action games- this will be a tough sell.
seventynine
Member
I meant "I wouldn't" worry about the Puppeteer's controls. Typo
Yeah the backlash is pretty big.
Canis lupus
Member
Sure, don't know why it wouldn't deserve my cash just because its a 2D platformer.
Haunted
Member
Haven't seen any of those people, but plenty of fuckers who complained about retail price for other 2D games as well, particularly Rayman.
polyh3dron
Banned
I'm getting a floaty LBP vibe. Bottom line, a fast moving platformer like this needs to run at 60FPS to play properly.
Glass Rebel
Member
It does look gorgeous but I've yet to play a Sony platformer that I enjoyed the platforming parts so I'm wary.
Same. I ended up beating both campaigns and a ton of user-creative levels no problem. My co-op partners seem have no problems either. It's a really overblown complaint, but holy fuck do people run with it.
LBP, a 2D platformer, sold quite a few million. So it's not out of the realms of possibility.
Canis lupus
Member
Well I certainly did enjoy the 3D platformers like Sly, Crash, Jak and Ratchet.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
that's pretty much a standard when it comes to the internet on just about every subject
anyway yeah this game looks great. I hope the content is there.
I think it looks drop-dead gorgeous. It's like a Henry Selick film with Mike Mignola art, and a sort of Gilliam-/Burton-esque dream-like quality.
You nailed EXACTLY what I hate about it. Thank you was really bothering me why I disliked it so much.
As much as I dislike it, it isn't generic so hopefully it finds an audience!
LOL, well that settles that. XD
Of the names I dropped, it's the Mignola-esque qualities I find most endearing. Mignola (creator of Hellboy) has a penchant for drawing puppets. His style is best likened to Jack Kirby meets the German Expressionists. I get that vibe here -- sorry if it's not for you.
As long as the air-control and turning is responsive...
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Pretty graphics. Looks a lot like little big planet. Too floaty and slow for me to enjoy.
Phife Dawg
Member
Well English is not my first language so maybe I'm off but I don't think that's a harsh word. From my perspective they are inept in terms of making a good, fun platformer.
They bundled it and it had a huge marketing campaign - I suppose we won't see that for this title. And quite honestly why should it sell all that much? Small team, small expectations I guess. Oh and LBP dropped in price really quick too - I expect this to do the same. I too think it'll be a hard sell but as I said I don't think Sony expects to sell too many copies so it should be fine.
soulassssns
Banned
Looks good but not my type of game.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Doesn't look like the most gorgeous platformer ever to me. (That might be Rayman Origins, currently.) Looks alright, particularly the scissoring, but that reminds me of the Ecco games' suspended water paths, with less freedom of movement. Cutting suspended platforms seem interesting, as does clipping the boss' nails. Not feeling the hype, but cool-looking.
dammit, no psn? My cd drive is borked and I can only play PSN stuff. No way in hell am I paying $100 to fix my ps3 with so little on the horizon I'm interested in
There might be a PSN release. All I know for certain is Blu-ray. It's a substantial game and Gavin (lead dev at Japan Studio) told Eurogamer they're going all-out with the content.dammit, no psn? My cd drive is borked and I can only play PSN stuff. No way in hell am I paying $100 to fix my ps3 with so little on the horizon I'm interested in
Man, I'm chomping at the bit to see more gameplay and hear some impressions about whether the game is problematically floaty.