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[Push Square] Sony's lack of communication is becoming an issue
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NeoIkaruGAF
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They probably don’t need to give too much info, PlayStations don’t even need games to sell and generate buzz.
Still, it would be nice to have more complete info. At least we’d know if Sony fans can move to Stage 2 or if the PS5 is everything the XSX is and some. Anything to stop beating this dead horse, lol.
Still, it would be nice to have more complete info. At least we’d know if Sony fans can move to Stage 2 or if the PS5 is everything the XSX is and some. Anything to stop beating this dead horse, lol.
DJT123
Member
That cat is an amazing specimen, lol.
Little Chicken
Member
I'm sure there will be info dumps in October, but yeah kinda sparse on the info.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Would love to know what other true PS5 launch titles there are though..
Do you have a list?
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
Your neck called, it wants your head out of Sony's arse.
it’s not only about the lack of communication. It’s also about spreading lies.
Anyone remember this:
PS5 games won't be playable on PS4, SIE boss confirms: "We believe in generations"
"It is time to give the PlayStation community something new"www.gamesradar.com
If MS pulled something like they would be hammered, but since it’s Sony it’s easily forgotten. Hypocrisy.
No where in that article did he actually confirm PS5 games won’t play on the PS4. The headline is a lie. The article literally makes up an inference out of thin air.
Even Jaffe himself is calling out this bullshit.
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Redlancet
Banned
to be honest,saying that the dark souls ps5 is gonna be not a exclusive and not a AAA game its just dishonest,and i dont want to mention sackboy or a all stars
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
He's right, and let's be honest, everyone who pre-ordered this console did so on blind faith alone.
ZywyPL
Banned
That's what Sony always do, long radio silence periods with some big info/events between them, strange there are so many Sony fans on this forums who semm no to know them at all. They are obviously keeping everything for the very last month before launch, 2nd half of October will be full of media/info blowout, I have little doubts about it. They are simply not in a position where they should do otherwise, many people will get PS5 even completely blindly just because of the brand's strength/recognition, MS wasn't even present in many many countries across the globe until XB1 launched (and that was a bad launch to begin with), whereas Sony was there the whole time for the past quarter of century, so what are the odds of people NOT picking up Playstation console for the 5th time? Close to zero if you ask me, unless Sony seriously screws up something.
"We believe in generations, and that's all we've got to say about that."
Four months go by in complete silence...
"Yes our games are cross-gen. Yes, we announced it five minutes after our digital showcase in a blog post. But we haven't once said they WON'T be cross-gen. Where's the lie?!"
Come on. It's a lie by omission. They don't need to flat out say "our games aren't going to be on PS4 any longer" for it to be obvious what they were doing. At any point, while Microsoft were getting flak for doing the same thing, they could've announced it. But they didn't.
And why did it matter so much that people are now ignoring that incredibly obvious move to say "they didn't lie"?
Even if they didn't, and that's a hypothetical if because they absolutely did, how they handled this was shady as hell.
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BlueXImpulse
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I have no idea why you are triggered, that's something you need to answer.
I'm not saying I like Sony's approach, I'm stating that they have a specific approach and it hasn't been reactionary to what MS does.
I think the “we believe in generations” was taken out of context. It was speaking to features specific to the PS5 such as the SSD and dual sense controller that could not be had from a PS4. And a “lie of omission” is kind of a cop reason n
TussalDimon_I
Neo Member
What matters is games. And Sony showed plenty. General public doesn't give a shit about UI, social features of what apps will it have. Switch is a bares bone console with the most basic UI and it's selling like hot cakes.
Damigos
Member
This
Kokoloko85
Member
Demons souls is a fake launch title.....
Roufianos
Member
Some of it's nitpicking but these ones are all very valid complaints. Especially info being left out of the conference and put into tweets / interviews and the expectation that they can charge £70 for games we've barely seen.
Sony's messaging is just lazy and complacent, I actually hope Xbox does well this gen to give them an oh so needed kick up the ass.
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Entroyp
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gotta earn those free xboxes somehow
JawaSaysUtinni
Member
I think Push have got itchy post fingers.
As already mentioned, it is likely Sony have their schedule and they are sticking to it. They likely want it to be coordinated rather than reactionary to whatever Xbox is putting out.
I still think it is a little too early. A month, maybe even a few weeks before the launch date will be the time to watch. If nothing has arrived by then, yes I would be raising an eyebrow or two.
As already mentioned, it is likely Sony have their schedule and they are sticking to it. They likely want it to be coordinated rather than reactionary to whatever Xbox is putting out.
I still think it is a little too early. A month, maybe even a few weeks before the launch date will be the time to watch. If nothing has arrived by then, yes I would be raising an eyebrow or two.
Yeah, no.
If it was taken out of context, any marketing team with half a brain would have corrected it, considering the implication of that comment.
How is lie of omission a cop out?
Did Horizon and Spiderman have the PS4 logo on their websites? Do you think these games just weren't planned for PS4 until the announcement was made, or do you think maybe there was a reason they announced it at the time and place they did?
Use your brain, mate. Cross gen isn't a bad thing, but the way they handled this does not deserve defending.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Just wanted to know if Stray was actually a launch title
D
Deleted member 775630
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In the original article from gameindustrybiz, they say he clearly meant it differently. This was an interview, where they talked to each other, so I expect they clearly knew what he meant with that.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Imo it tells more about the people pre ordering rather than Sony doing something wrong.
If someone can get away with earning millions without giving any expectations, then I'd say they are doing really good business.
and in the end its not about the games but the name on the plastic box
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I think you'll be ok.
Kokoloko85
Member
Just wanted to know if Stray was actually a launch title
Sorry lol.
I think its 2021
Kokoloko85
Member
You want people not to preorder because we havent seen UI or boost mode?
We have details on launch titles. ( with actual 1st party games unlike the xbox )
We’ve seen gameplay of new games running on PS5 ( unlike the xbox... )
We know its BC for PS4 games
We have an idea of first year releases and seen some gameplay from a couple:
Ratchet and Clank
Gran Turismo 7
Horizon 2
God of War Ragnarok
Final Fantasy 16
Yes theres a lot to be desired but not to not preorder, I dont get your point
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captainraincoat
Banned
you think GT7 will come out in the first year......lol
Maybe ps6 first year
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Great if true but i dont see it happening
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Phrixotrichus
Banned
oh look, another article from people who need clicks to survive thematizing a made up issue easily refuted by real world facts such as 0 available stock of the product in question...........
Kokoloko85
Member
Considering they are asking what car they should use for box art cover Im pretty sure it will be out by Dec 2021
Zheph
Member
it is about the games.
Yselacrey00
Banned
You do know we are less than 2 months away from launch and we haven't even had a hands down video? I still remember when xbox 360 got revealed, that was a great video with J Allard detailing the console.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The funny thing is that Demon's Souls being an actual launch title was revealed only two weeks ago. Before the most recent PS5 showcase no one knew when the game would be out, since the annoucement trailer didn't mention when the game would be available yet other trailers (Horizon Zero: Dawn for instance) announced a 2021 release date. And then Sony fucked up even that announcement by suggesting the game was a "console exclusive" which left the path open to a PC version, so they had to make a statement about there being no PC version.
That's just one example of Sony's awful PR strategy. It's just one big mess but luckily for Sony's PR perople the brand is so strong that the PS5 will sell out anyway.
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longdi
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Im starting to think Jim simply did not understand the fuck he was talking about in believing in generations.
For gamers, it is either game engines being built ground up or back compat across your generations of games library.
To Jim, it was simply more hardware power that can be used.
Old man is so out of touch
dotnotbot
Member
They really aren't. Here where I live (Eastern Europe) Xbox is still available in large quantities from every retatiler. PS5 is sold out and sold far more units.
yurinka
Member
They increased PS5 production for launch months compared to PS4, the best selling console ever at launch weekend or launch month. PS5 preorders went sold out everywhere very fast.
Some retailers are saying some preorder units won't be able to be sent until next year, which means that with the first preorders alone they already broke launch weekend and launch month gaming history records. I wouldn't call it a disaster, seems they are doing a good job.
In the interview where he said to believe in generations, he said they were going to continue supporting PS4 for years and that he wanted next gen to feature unique, meaninful improvements (super fast loading, raytracing, 3d audio , dual sense features, etc) and that he wanted to see the next gen games to take advantage of them. And that's what they will do, because that doesn't mean they can't release some of these games in PS4 to support it without using these features in PS4.
If you want non crossgen big AAA exclusives, PS5 will also have them too at launch and during the first year, while Series X and Gamepass won't.
In the interview where he said to believe in generarions, he said that while they were going to continue supporting PS4 for a while, he wanted new generation consoles to feature meaningful improvements and new features (like super fast loading, RT, 3D audio, haptic feedback, and so on) and next gen games taking advantage of them.
They will have a consoles with this features and improvements, they will release since day one games taking advantage of these features and improvements, and will continue supporting PS4 with games.
PS4 and now PS5 will both continue breaking sales, revenue and usercount gaming history records, proving not only that he isn't out of touch, but that their strategy is the one that provided better results, which means it's in line with what most players prefer.
Some retailers are saying some preorder units won't be able to be sent until next year, which means that with the first preorders alone they already broke launch weekend and launch month gaming history records. I wouldn't call it a disaster, seems they are doing a good job.
The lie is that article's title, not what Jim Ryan said. Jim Ryan never said they weren't going to do crossgen games.it’s not only about the lack of communication. It’s also about spreading lies.
Anyone remember this:
PS5 games won't be playable on PS4, SIE boss confirms: "We believe in generations"
"It is time to give the PlayStation community something new"
If MS pulled something like they would be hammered, but since it’s Sony it’s easily forgotten. Hypocrisy.
In the interview where he said to believe in generations, he said they were going to continue supporting PS4 for years and that he wanted next gen to feature unique, meaninful improvements (super fast loading, raytracing, 3d audio , dual sense features, etc) and that he wanted to see the next gen games to take advantage of them. And that's what they will do, because that doesn't mean they can't release some of these games in PS4 to support it without using these features in PS4.
If you want non crossgen big AAA exclusives, PS5 will also have them too at launch and during the first year, while Series X and Gamepass won't.
Please stop spreading shit in PS threads, miss Phil Spencer.
In the interview where he said to believe in generarions, he said that while they were going to continue supporting PS4 for a while, he wanted new generation consoles to feature meaningful improvements and new features (like super fast loading, RT, 3D audio, haptic feedback, and so on) and next gen games taking advantage of them.
They will have a consoles with this features and improvements, they will release since day one games taking advantage of these features and improvements, and will continue supporting PS4 with games.
PS4 and now PS5 will both continue breaking sales, revenue and usercount gaming history records, proving not only that he isn't out of touch, but that their strategy is the one that provided better results, which means it's in line with what most players prefer.
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Ar¢tos
Member
If this was the ps2 era (with the covid mess) I could actually picture Sony doing TV adverts showing the games in an amazing way and ending with "DON'T BUY IT" or "YOU DON'T REALLY NEED IT".
Or they saw games said I want to play those and ordered. No blind faith required.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Bloody typical!! It was the one main game I wanted for the system!
I suppose it makes not getting a pre order a bit less painful.
BaneIsPain
Member
It is either will be brilliant or horribly wrong. Whatever it is, the memes are ready.
The hype is in us.
The hype is in us.
recursive
Member
This narrative has been going on for almost a year when people were having meltdowns about lack of PS5 info a year before release date was known. It is just online nerd enthusiasts complaining. I don't think the general population cares and the whole "starting to become an issue" is mostly hyperbolic at this point.
No one is going to give a shit about sonys comms strategy after release day (except people whining about how 3rd party retailers handle restock orders and blaming sony since they didn't get one and are salty).
No one is going to give a shit about sonys comms strategy after release day (except people whining about how 3rd party retailers handle restock orders and blaming sony since they didn't get one and are salty).
What? Of course it is. As soon as MS announced crossgen and how they want to support even the old gen, like supporting the old controller and Games both generations Sony came out spouting how they „believe in generations“. Don’t tell me this isn’t reactionary and just a way to profit from MSs bad news.
Although, Sony is the one who also develops crossgen games and even forces you to buy a new controller, yet no one gives a shit.
Mr. PlayStation
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Oida di Figgiano
Banned
And i thought the multiple threads on here are redundant but youtubers start getting onto the redundance train as well... I mean i get it, people who make their living with repeating existing info over and over again in decreasing quality are pissed bc sony doesnt give away too much. But then starting to phantasize they are "losing momentum" and the "but people pay lots of money and dont know shit" pseudo pro consumer stance are just pure hypocrisy, because ore orders and availability speak a whole different language than "losing momentum" and who gives a single shit about consumers that spent money on stuff they don´t know about. if you don´t know enough that will justify the purchase of a electronic device for a couple hundred bucks guess what: don´t buy/pre-order it. But fomo too stronk i guess? It´s actually the worst aspect of this generational transistion. It´s okay as long as it stays in forums, but man this is spreading around all internetmedia...