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RAD Founder: Apple could obliterate Switch and render consoles obsolete
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NeoIkaruGAF
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Appolonium.
Apple can teach Nintendo a lesson on overpricing, all right.
Just for the lulz, I can easily imagine Apple putting out a base model with 32GB of non-upgradeable internal memory at Switch price. If you want to have more than Fortnite and another game with you at all times, there’s of course options for 64GB at $499, 128GB at $599 and 512GB at $849
But seriously, Apple could do it. Just forget about physical media and limited editions, expect the launch model to be an expensive test unit, and be ready for MT galore and 18-months updates with your model getting obsolete after a couple of years.
Ellery
Member
They will never understand.
It is not about the actual hardware.
It is not about how much money you can make.
It is not about how much you can milk your customers to make shareholders and suits happy.
It is not about the quantity of games.
It is about the expression on your face, in your soul and heart when you play games like A Link To The Past for the first time and falling in love.
It is not about the actual hardware.
It is not about how much money you can make.
It is not about how much you can milk your customers to make shareholders and suits happy.
It is not about the quantity of games.
It is about the expression on your face, in your soul and heart when you play games like A Link To The Past for the first time and falling in love.
ArtemisClydeFrog
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
CobraAB
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More people than would pay that from Sony. Microsoft or Nintendo.
Reality Czar
Banned
Gonna need a video game from these guys first. Hardware alone is not gonna cut it.
sainraja
Member
The Apple of today didn't make that and they are already making inroads towards gaming with Apple Arcade and controller support for their iPads and Apple TV. I think Apple will become a part of gaming, it just won't be the way we are used to.Sure they could, if they moneyhatted every AAA publisher in existence...
Fancy hardware gets you nowhere, its the games that count and its not like apple haven't tried making console like hardware before with little success.
worldwithpyramids
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Absurd, of course. Apple could certainly make a decent attempt at entering the gaming market but it would be a monumental task to dethrone any of the current big three.
Apple is having difficulty creating a viable TV/movie streaming service. Which is far less costly and way more accessible to consumers.
Apple is having difficulty creating a viable TV/movie streaming service. Which is far less costly and way more accessible to consumers.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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He's right. But that one little if is a pretty significant one
Both Nintendo and Sony continue to demonstrate that your exclusive library matters more than anything else to consumers.
Both Nintendo and Sony continue to demonstrate that your exclusive library matters more than anything else to consumers.
CobraAB
Member
Not much of an effort there frankly.Sure they could, if they moneyhatted every AAA publisher in existence...
Fancy hardware gets you nowhere, its the games that count and its not like apple haven't tried making console like hardware before with little success.
Interfectum
Member
Apple is already one of the biggest gaming publishers in the world and they barely try. There is zero incentive for them to waste billions jumping in the little kids pool with Sony and Nintendo.
GHG
Member
I agree with him, said as much a few weeks ago.
If they made a push and the new apple TV had the M1 chip at $200—$250 withal a controller packed in and they went out there to get some big developers on board with board arcade then both Xbox and Sony could also be in trouble, nevermind just Nintendo.
But as it stands it's too many ifs and their presentation yesterday shows they are not interested in making a push in this direction. The capability of their hardware is no longer an issue, it's everything else. Honestly I think if they haven't done it now they are very unlikely to do so at any point in the future, for whatever reason they don't see it aligning with their brand or they are happy with the way things are.
Overall they pose a bigger potential threat in the medium term than either Amazon or Google do though.
If they made a push and the new apple TV had the M1 chip at $200—$250 withal a controller packed in and they went out there to get some big developers on board with board arcade then both Xbox and Sony could also be in trouble, nevermind just Nintendo.
But as it stands it's too many ifs and their presentation yesterday shows they are not interested in making a push in this direction. The capability of their hardware is no longer an issue, it's everything else. Honestly I think if they haven't done it now they are very unlikely to do so at any point in the future, for whatever reason they don't see it aligning with their brand or they are happy with the way things are.
Overall they pose a bigger potential threat in the medium term than either Amazon or Google do though.
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CuteFaceJay
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Didn't PSP do this in the early days and Nintendo still out did the competition due to the games on the DS a far less powerful handheld.
Nhranaghacon
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Is the IPad already not a portable gaming console with it's M1 chip?
With that said, the M1 probably wont stack up to whatever Nintendo chooses to do next - Nvidia are no slouch when it comes to
Portable GPU chipsets. They made portable gaming more plausible far before the M1 existed.
As for the M1, has yet to impress me in particular - it can barely play a PC variant of GTAV on low quality
and barely manages the moniker of matching a low end mid range PC with a simple high end GPU.
With enough ML applied and enough games built from the ground up to take advantage of the chip, sure it might
deliver impressive visuals but it will never ever match the latest PC hardware, ever - or for that matter a high end Console/True Next Gen Nvidia Chiplet - it
may however for a generation put Nvidia back on it's feet as they may not of seen this one coming in respect to their next Portable solution, meaning for a
generation Nintendo's next system could look less powerful but that remains to be seen. And really, by the time it matters to Nintendo - they'll release a more
powerful console.
And also, who is to say Nintendo will stick with Portable gaming as their main Hardware solution? They may offer more powerful hybrid solutions in the future or
a completely non portable machine.
Also, we have entered the Golden Era of Compute - where a mobile chip such as the M1 will be surpassed very quickly once that sector has decided to release more product . . .
and this cycle will continue ad infinite.
Expect to see this thread pop up again and again, about the M2 and future eyewear
Iphones with the M2, Ipad with the M2, Apple Glass with M2 - "will an M2 console destroy the Competition" threads
And then Nvidia will release it's Monster GPU/CPU for mobile. And all Apple gaming buzz will die off, as it always has.
With that said, the M1 probably wont stack up to whatever Nintendo chooses to do next - Nvidia are no slouch when it comes to
Portable GPU chipsets. They made portable gaming more plausible far before the M1 existed.
As for the M1, has yet to impress me in particular - it can barely play a PC variant of GTAV on low quality
and barely manages the moniker of matching a low end mid range PC with a simple high end GPU.
With enough ML applied and enough games built from the ground up to take advantage of the chip, sure it might
deliver impressive visuals but it will never ever match the latest PC hardware, ever - or for that matter a high end Console/True Next Gen Nvidia Chiplet - it
may however for a generation put Nvidia back on it's feet as they may not of seen this one coming in respect to their next Portable solution, meaning for a
generation Nintendo's next system could look less powerful but that remains to be seen. And really, by the time it matters to Nintendo - they'll release a more
powerful console.
And also, who is to say Nintendo will stick with Portable gaming as their main Hardware solution? They may offer more powerful hybrid solutions in the future or
a completely non portable machine.
Also, we have entered the Golden Era of Compute - where a mobile chip such as the M1 will be surpassed very quickly once that sector has decided to release more product . . .
and this cycle will continue ad infinite.
Expect to see this thread pop up again and again, about the M2 and future eyewear
Iphones with the M2, Ipad with the M2, Apple Glass with M2 - "will an M2 console destroy the Competition" threads
And then Nvidia will release it's Monster GPU/CPU for mobile. And all Apple gaming buzz will die off, as it always has.
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nightmare-slain
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Apple is company that charges $999 for a stand for your monitor. They charge $400 to upgrade RAM from 16GB to 32GB.
$799 for an Apple console seems like a steal tbh.
nerdface
Banned
Apple fanboys lol
...maybe you can order games on your Apple touch, talk about them on your Apple Watch, and then eat dinner afterwards with your apple brand fork, before sleeping with your life sized Steve Jobs pillow
apple has been chasing gamers since macintrash...give it up
M1 tho!!!
...maybe you can order games on your Apple touch, talk about them on your Apple Watch, and then eat dinner afterwards with your apple brand fork, before sleeping with your life sized Steve Jobs pillow
apple has been chasing gamers since macintrash...give it up
M1 tho!!!
ColdAfternoon
Member
They have. Apple is already the fourth largest game company in the world without publishing a single game.
JLB
Banned
I would pay 800 for an M1 console day 1.
LordOfChaos
Member
I'm so frustrated that they don't do this. Apples silicon for many iPhones let alone up to the M1 iPad is way more powerful than the Switch. Add in a vice grip first party controller and start courting bigger game developers for it and it could be something.
The current suite of Apple Arcade doesn't have a whole lot of titles appealing to me. I mean it has The Pathless and some other games but mostly tiny mobile fare. If the Switch can run Doom, the iPhone could be powering more full scale titles with a controller grip.
The current suite of Apple Arcade doesn't have a whole lot of titles appealing to me. I mean it has The Pathless and some other games but mostly tiny mobile fare. If the Switch can run Doom, the iPhone could be powering more full scale titles with a controller grip.
tusharngf
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Wut?
LordOfChaos
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mckmas8808
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In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.
My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.
He must be looking at getting acquired by Apple then, because he is 100% WRONG! Apple couldn't even dominate in the smart phone space.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They can't and won't. Sadly some people don't understand how the gaming industry works.
Bryank75
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What an absolutely absurd statement... why go into a demanding market like core gaming, where the performance and standards of games require massive investments and expertise VS the casual mobile market, where a game like flappy bird, made in one night can become a sensational hit and make the creator a millionaire in a few hours.
Apple want's the easy money, they don't want to have to build massive teams all over the world that cost 100's of millions annually just to make a few games.
Apple want's the easy money, they don't want to have to build massive teams all over the world that cost 100's of millions annually just to make a few games.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Apple only sells things at high prices and margins.
And consoles or handheld hardware are low margin products (depending on the company and era they can be money losers). You make the profits off software.
Apple is already making bank off software cuts (like Steam). No need to rock the boat with a piece of hardware to get console gamers unless they can convince gamers to buy a high end handheld for double or triple Switch's price.
And consoles or handheld hardware are low margin products (depending on the company and era they can be money losers). You make the profits off software.
Apple is already making bank off software cuts (like Steam). No need to rock the boat with a piece of hardware to get console gamers unless they can convince gamers to buy a high end handheld for double or triple Switch's price.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
He's just spazzing about the mobile perf of the chip.. it's a dumb statement, because Apple makes devices w/ massive markup and insane prices so its not a fit for them, nor do they have any reason to.
But the chip is pretty insane as a mobile chip.
And yes, that's compared to other ARM processors... I don't know why anyone in this thread keeps implying that somehow other ARM processors compete w/ M1.. it stomps all over them, badly.
But the chip is pretty insane as a mobile chip.
And yes, that's compared to other ARM processors... I don't know why anyone in this thread keeps implying that somehow other ARM processors compete w/ M1.. it stomps all over them, badly.
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In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.
My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.
He's right, but I'm glad he mentioned it would take them having the right software lineup to do it, admitting it's not just about being able to obliterate the market's ability to compete.
One thing has proven true as Amazon and Google have tried to make AAA games - these massive corporations with no background in making AAA games, struggle no matter how much money they throw at it to actually make games. Microsoft can basically get tossed into the pile too, even if they did at one point make many successful PC games. There is nothing Apple has ever done to suggest they suddenly can get right what every other tech giant has gotten wrong. So while I do believe a M1 gaming device with the convenience of Switch's design could absolutely be epic, it's not going to really get the library it needs to be successful. Also, I think we can all admit it's pretty crazy just how good the M1 chip is. It almost feels like voodoo magic that's so far ahead of ARM and AMD/Nvidia for mobile chips, it's embarassing.
you do know that RAD already got bought by one of the big 4? Also what do you count as not dominating? Global Marketshare maybe not, but profit.
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fart town usa
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Hardly. I'm not even a huge fan of the Switch but it's absurd to think that Apple could just come in and knockout the other console manufacturers, especially Nintendo.
Can you imagine the type of garbage that Apple would shovel out? I'd rather be stuck with a Wii for the rest of my life than to buy a console from Apple.
rickybooby87
Member
Apple is higher than eagle nuts if it thinks it can break into this market in any meaningful and decisive way.
iPads are how much out of contract? iPhones are how much out of contract? I don't see them making a console that can compete in both specs/price.
iPads are how much out of contract? iPhones are how much out of contract? I don't see them making a console that can compete in both specs/price.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Apple fanboys lol
...maybe you can order games on your Apple touch, talk about them on your Apple Watch, and then eat dinner afterwards with your apple brand fork, before sleeping with your life sized Steve Jobs pillow
apple has been chasing gamers since macintrash...give it up
M1 tho!!!
Post of the month. Well done.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Apple wouldn’t waste their time with a dedicated video game device. The Apple TV and iPhone is the best way to get into the business further, of which they are already somewhat exposed.
Lets see what leap Apple takes in the next two years with their custom silicon, but based on the M1, it could blow the doors off the industry.
Lets see what leap Apple takes in the next two years with their custom silicon, but based on the M1, it could blow the doors off the industry.
Astral Dog
Member
Oh no...
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Ah nice time to pull out this classic article.
toucharcade.com
long story short. apple got fuck all in gaming..
SwitchArcade: ‘The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim’ Port is So Good it Makes Me Mad – TouchArcade
On last week's SwitchArcade, we took a look at Bethesda's port of Doom, which is a great port with the potentially (for some) significant caveat that the overall graphical fidelity of the game is turned way down to make it run on the Switch.
toucharcade.com
long story short. apple got fuck all in gaming..
MAtgS
Member
A concept Ready at Dawn struggles with.
LordOfChaos
Member
I already carry around a phone with a more powerful SoC than the Switch though, as do tens of millions of people already.
I wouldn't need to outlay another 1000 dollars or whatever. It just needs a vice grip controller and a real push for support from it from AAA titles. The latter part is the biggest bugbear to Apple ever taking on the Switch.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Marketshare will always be the determining factor when someone says, "X company is dominating the market place in Business Y". It's the only way to compare. No real honest person believes that Apple could wipe the floor against Nintendo and Sony in the video game market. NOBODY!
Lets be honest.
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