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[gameboya]

LOL @ doctored pix

looks like last gen it was all the rage. the trend continues.

 

[truffleshuffle83]

and they still havnt let developers tap into the 333MHz clock yet have they? looks hot

 

[Drek]

and they still havnt let developers tap into the 333MHz clock yet have they? looks hot

Because it still saps the battery like a bastard. ;P

Hopefully they remove the handcuffs with the release of the PSone emulation, as it'll probably be required to emulate PSone games successfully.

Anyhow, this looks pretty decent, nice to see PSP graphics constantly getting better and better.

How exactly does Syphon Filter play anyways? Just got a PSP and haven't gotten to try it yet. I've always thought the PSP would be great for FPS games as long as the nub was used for aiming/looking around and the triangle, cross, square, and circle were used for forward, back, left strafe, right strafe respectively. The D-pad could be used for weapon changing and zoom, shoulder buttons for 1st and second fire (grenade).

 

[Juice]

Hah, this is like the anti-wallguy. What a bullshot:

Can't wait until the real game comes out and we can put this screen next to a real screen and then call it a downgrade.

 

[manxor]

Wow, those do look awesome, Ubisoft touchups ftl though. I really can't imagine 'actually playing' this on my psp. Sometimes I just ask myself "why" when it comes to some of these psp releases. Rainbow Six: Vegas on PSP... why?

 

[trancejeremy]

How exactly does Syphon Filter play anyways? Just got a PSP and haven't gotten to try it yet. I've always thought the PSP would be great for FPS games as long as the nub was used for aiming/looking around and the triangle, cross, square, and circle were used for forward, back, left strafe, right strafe respectively. The D-pad could be used for weapon changing and zoom, shoulder buttons for 1st and second fire (grenade).

SF is a 3rd person game, not FPS. But close, since it's a zoomed in view. Basically in SF, the analog is used for moving (left-right for strafing), while the 4 face buttons are used for aiming/turning. The d-pad is used to select weapons and gear, and the right button is used to fire the selected weapon. L target locks.

There's also some special controls for sticking behind cover. You can sort of sticky yourself to a wall, and them peek out to shoot.

I think it works quite well. I'm not great at this sort of game, so maybe that's why it was easier for me to pick up that those that play this sort of thing all the time on consoles. But I had no problem with it.

 

[Sho Nuff]

TGS might have showed shit support from Japan, but thank god the white mens is still making good stuff

 

[mckmas8808]

TGS might have showed shit support from Japan, but thank god the white mens is still making good stuff

white mens? :lol

 

[imastalker co.]

FPS with a single anolog nub FTW!!!!!!!

 

[Fun Factor]

FPS with a single anolog nub FTW!!!!!!!

N64 & Dreamcast FTW!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lord Error]

I'm more concerned with how it controls; personally I still hated Syphon Filter controls compared to dual analog, so it just seems like a waste. They should just go 3rd person (ala RE4 or MGS). If they need to go first person then they should do it like Metroid Prime.

If you hated SF-DM controls, then you must have hated RE4 controls too, because "classic" control mode in SF is exact same as RE4, even better actually as it allows for strafing. So why would you then want this game to be like RE4 then?

How exactly does Syphon Filter play anyways?

You should try it if you like MGS games - even if you didn't care about previous Syphon Filter installments. SF-DM is a very good combination of MGS zanyness and Splinter Cell seriousness and gadgets. It's one of the best PSP games for sure, and really good in it's genre even for 'big' console strandards.

There are three types of controls. First allows you to move with analog stick and aim face buttons. Second - move with face buttons, aim with analog. Third one is called 'classic' and is very simillar to RE4 controls, except you can also strafe and circle strafe. Which means you move with analog, aim with analog when you press and hold right trigger, and can strafe anytime with [] and O buttons.

 

[Drek]

SF is a 3rd person game, not FPS. But close, since it's a zoomed in view. Basically in SF, the analog is used for moving (left-right for strafing), while the 4 face buttons are used for aiming/turning. The d-pad is used to select weapons and gear, and the right button is used to fire the selected weapon. L target locks.

There's also some special controls for sticking behind cover. You can sort of sticky yourself to a wall, and them peek out to shoot.

I think it works quite well. I'm not great at this sort of game, so maybe that's why it was easier for me to pick up that those that play this sort of thing all the time on consoles. But I had no problem with it.

Thats about what I thought except movement and aiming are swapped. For a 3rd person action game I can see the reasoning behind it though (need smoother movement). For an FPS just swapping the controls should make it pretty tight.

What firmware is Syphon Filter? I'm definately going to pick it up, but having just gotten a PSP I'm not sure if I want to give up eLoader right off the bat (have 2.6 so I have gimped homebrew anyways).

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Thats about what I thought except movement and aiming are swapped. For a 3rd person action game I can see the reasoning behind it though (need smoother movement). For an FPS just swapping the controls should make it pretty tight.

What firmware is Syphon Filter? I'm definately going to pick it up, but having just gotten a PSP I'm not sure if I want to give up eLoader right off the bat (have 2.6 so I have gimped homebrew anyways).

Syphon Filter requires 2.6

By the way, if you really want proper firmware, you need to upgrade to 2.71, and get the downgrader. Then you'll have 1.5. There's a project called "devhook" which emulates higher firmware so games will run without having to upgrade.

 

[Regret Truth]

Damn that looks hot. I swear Im gonna cave and cop a PSP this holiday. Killzone + Vegas.... portable action games FTW.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Damn that looks hot. I swear Im gonna cave and cop a PSP this holiday. Killzone + Vegas.... portable action games FTW.

Do get a PSP.
Don't get your hopes up for this.

 

[refreshZ]

Hah, this is like the anti-wallguy. What a bullshot:

Can't wait until the real game comes out and we can put this screen next to a real screen and then call it a downgrade.

Call it a what?

 

[sugarhigh4242]

UH....

According to a recent Gamedaily preview, this game is using the Unreal Engine.

A team of 50 has been working on this PSP game for over a year. Ubisoft is the first developer to use Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 for a PSP game. It makes sense, since the game will feature the same first-person shooter action as the next generation version. By utilizing Epic's technology, which brings swift and solid gameplay and detailed environments to the forefront, the Quebec City team was able to unlock the online multiplayer aspects of the PSP.

http://psp.gamedaily.com/game/features/?gameid=5507&id=415&t=preview

WTF!?!?!??!!

 

[Wario64]

PSP is a ****ing beast

 

[JDSN]

U3? Amazing.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

U3? Amazing.

It certainly makes these screens seem a bit more plausible. Though obviously, Gears of War won't be coming to everyone's favorite handheld...


...
....

 

[Logan Cano]

Eww. There's so much bloom it looks next-gen.
I thought i wouldn't see too much of that on the PSP.

Just a curiosity, does the PSP handle HDR lighting??

HDR?? Probably not in a million years. Faked bloom?? Maybe, it's recently showing up.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

UE3?

Whoa, how scalable is that engine?!

 

[Stench]

ALL HAIL PSP


HANDHELD OF THE GODS

 

[mckmas8808]

I swear I'm not trying to troll, but can the Wii run Unreal Engine 3?

 

[Kevin]

According to Mark Rein, No!

 

[mckmas8808]

According to Mark Rein, No!

So how can the PSP do it and not the Wii?

 

[davepoobond]

So how can the PSP do it and not the Wii?

they don't call it unreal for nuffin!

 

[Kevin]

So how can the PSP do it and not the Wii?

Don't know. Mark Rein who is the Vice President of Epic Games has stated several times that the Wii version could not handle Unreal Engine 3.0 and thus that is the reason why they are not developing for it. Maybe the PSP has a Ferrari under the hood. :lol

 

[Mook1e]

Don't know. Mark Rein who is the Vice President of Epic Games has stated several times that the Wii version could not handle Unreal Engine 3.0 and thus that is the reason why they are not developing for it. Maybe the PSP has a Ferrari under the hood. :lol

link?

 

[ethelred]

Looks like the Wii version.

Spoiler

No I'm serious. No joke.

I swear I'm not trying to troll, but can the Wii run Unreal Engine 3?

Yeah. You're saying the PSP is more powerful than the Wii, but you're not trying to troll. Okay!

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah. You're saying the PSP is more powerful than the Wii, but you're not trying to troll. Okay!

Yeah asking a question and trying to get an answer is trolling right? Stop being so scared about your future Wii purchase. The Wii will be okay without UE 3.0

 

[ethelred]

Yeah asking a question and trying to get an answer is trolling right? Stop being so scared about your future Wii purchase. The Wii will be okay without UE 3.0

Okay, Mr. Trollerson.

 

[Kevin]

link?

Before we finish up: did Epic ever get that Wii dev kit?

Mark Rein: (laughs) I can't say, I'm under NDA with Nintendo. But I can tell you that we're not doing, internally any development right now on the Wii. The Wii I'm sure is going to be a fantastic machine and sell really well but it's kind of below - it's not Intel integrated graphics but it's pretty far bellow the kind of min-bar of Unreal Engine 3. If you built a PC with that spec it wouldn't really be capable of playing an Unreal Engine 3 games decently. They're aiming at clearly at different audience that what we are. You know, Unreal Engine 3 can't run on Xbox 1 or PS2 either - and that's not to say that some of our licensees wont find a way to shoe-horn it into that platform, we certainly have some licensees that are doing some experiments in that area and it could very well happen. But that's a really tough job. And one thing that has become public knowledge in the last little while is that Ubisoft's game Red Steel is using Unreal Engine 2, so there will be Unreal Engine games on the Wii. There will be Unreal Engine games on the Wii and hopefully they'll be successful and maybe we'll make a little money from it, but Unreal Engine 3 - that's a little below our target platform.

Source: http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146449

1-UP (Garnett): You see what they need, they need a development tool like Unreal [engine] for the Wii! What do you think about that, mark, unreal [engine] for the Wii?

Mark Rein: ...I don't know...

1-UP (Luke): I remember what you thought about that, mark...

Mark Rein: The problem with the Wii is that it's not within our performance envelope...

1-UP (Luke): Like it's gimped...?

Mark Rein: Without saying what the hardware spec of the machine is, i think it's clear that nintendo has aimed it at [standard definiton] and unreal engine 3 is really more aimed at high definiton... I don't think our engine really could deliver a compelling experience on that platform.

Podcast: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145947
Podcast Transcript: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24911327

During a Q&A session following a demonstration of their new Unreal Engine 3, Epic Games' Mark Rein said, "It won't be easy to take something HD res here to the Revolution," continuing we probably "won't be seeing Unreal Engine 3 on the Revolution."

Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/28/heard-gdc-no-unreal-engine-3-on-revolution/

"I think Unreal Engine 3 and Nintendo Revolution would be very well suited to each other.

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61668

I think it's safe to say that you won't be seeing anything Unreal Engine 3.0 on the Wii.

 

[Amir0x]

Actually ethelred, although it's coming from mckmas8808 this is a valid question.

IF what gamedaily says is true - and I'm kind of suspect of what it says myself - it kind of puts into an odd light all the comments that Mark Rein has made about Wii being "below the minimum bar for Unreal Engine 3.0." In fact, Red Steel is using Unreal Engine 2.0 just for this reason supposedly.

I can't imagine PSP is ABOVE that minimum bar, and Wii isn't. Maybe gamedaily meant it's the first PSP game to utilize Unreal Engine 2.0?

Edit: Seems I was semi-beaten with even MORE quotes above.

 

[ethelred]

Actually ethelred, although it's coming from mckmas8808 this is a valid question.

IF what gamedaily says is true - and I'm kind of suspect of what it says myself - it kind of puts into an odd light all the comments that Mark Rein has made about Wii being "below the minimum bar for Unreal Engine 3.0." In fact, Red Steel is using Unreal Engine 2.0 just for this reason supposedly.

I can't imagine PSP is ABOVE that minimum bar, and Wii isn't. Maybe gamedaily meant it's the first PSP game to utilize Unreal Engine 2.0?

Edit: Seems I was semi-beaten with even MORE quotes above.

Rein:

You know, Unreal Engine 3 can't run on Xbox 1 or PS2 either - and that's not to say that some of our licensees wont find a way to shoe-horn it into that platform, we certainly have some licensees that are doing some experiments in that area and it could very well happen.

Regardless, thinking that the PSP is in any way more powerful than Wii is just as idiotic as that guy over in the Elebits thread talking about how the Wii just might be more powerful than the PS3 or the 360.

 

[StevieP]

Actually ethelred, although it's coming from mckmas8808 this is a valid question.

IF what gamedaily says is true - and I'm kind of suspect of what it says myself - it kind of puts into an odd light all the comments that Mark Rein has made about Wii being "below the minimum bar for Unreal Engine 3.0." In fact, Red Steel is using Unreal Engine 2.0 just for this reason supposedly.

I can't imagine PSP is ABOVE that minimum bar, and Wii isn't. Maybe gamedaily meant it's the first PSP game to utilize Unreal Engine 2.0?

Edit: Seems I was semi-beaten with even MORE quotes above.

Red Steel is using Unreal 2.5. The Wii could do Unreal 3, it would just have to be downscaled (in a similar way that Crytek's new engine will eventually be downscaled to the 360/PS3). Almost anything can be scaled down to match certain hardware. What Rein was saying (behind his pompous arrogance) was that he wasn't going to be the one to downscale it, since he feels it would be too much work for nothing. I think the first dev team that's going to downscale the UE3 to Wii is the one behind the next Medal of Honour title (which is also going to the Wii).

 

[Amir0x]

Rein:

I don't think that implies it's possible yet. Just that you might be able to shove it, but it will likely barely resemble the engine or have any of the benefits the engine could bring so it probably would be pointless.

it seems to me it's something he is not reccomending, but that someone will likely try anyway

Red Steel is using Unreal 2.5. The Wii could do Unreal 3, it would just have to be downscaled (in a similar way that Crytek will be downscaled to the 360/PS3). Almost anything can be scaled down to match certain hardware. What Rein was saying (behind his pompous arrogance) was that he wasn't going to be the one to downscale it, since he feels it would be too much work for nothing. I think the first dev team that's going to downscale the UE3 to Wii is the one behind the next Medal of Honour title (which is also going to the Wii).

I think Mark Rein knows more about his engine than you or I, so i'm just gonna listen to his comments until someone does something relevant with UE3.0 on Wii. I mean, I can't even imagine the benefit to try.

 

[StevieP]

I think Mark Rein knows more about his engine than you or I, so i'm just gonna listen to his comments until someone does something relevant with UE3.0 on Wii. I mean, I can't even imagine the benefit to try.

Mark Rein is also a graphics whore who runs his mouth about stupid things in stupid ways, and certainly hates companies like Intel and Nintendo who DON'T believe that you need expensive graphics hardware to have a good time. We know where he stands, he's made it quite clear in the past. UE3 will end up on the Wii (in a downgraded form) eventually, we all know that to be true at some point in the next 4-5 years. It's just a matter of which team "shoehorns" it onto the Wii, and I'll take a shot in the dark and say that the guys working on Medal of Honour will be the first. I THINK that game is using UE3, and is going across all next-gen platforms.

 

[Amir0x]

Mark Rein is also a graphics whore who runs his mouth about stupid things in stupid ways, and certainly hates companies like Intel and Nintendo who DON'T believe that you need expensive graphics hardware to have a good time. We know where he stands, he's made it quite clear in the past. UE3 will end up on the Wii (in a downgraded form) eventually, we all know that to be true at some point in the next 4-5 years. It's just a matter of which team "shoehorns" it onto the Wii, and I'll take a shot in the dark and say that the guys working on Medal of Honour will be the first. I THINK that game is using UE3, and is going across all next-gen platforms.

i'm not sure what Mark Rein being a graphic whore has to do with the engine he and his team made, but hey... whatever the bitter Nintendo fan thinks, the bitter Nintendo fan can think!

 

[Kroole]

i'm not sure what Mark Rein being a graphic whore has to do with the engine he and his team made, but hey... whatever the bitter Nintendo fan thinks, the bitter Nintendo fan can think!

Are you for real?

 

[Amir0x]

Are you for real?

Yes, him being a graphic whore does not have any relevance to his statement on what his engine can do on system X, Y or Z... because they made it, and they know what it can do. Simple as that.

 

[ethelred]

Yes, him being a graphic whore does not have any relevance to his statement on what his engine can do on system X, Y or Z... because they made it, and they know what it can do. Simple as that.

Correct.

If you pay attention to Mr. Personality himself when he opens his blow-hold, you'd have learned that Unreal Engine 4 is already in the works for the consoles AFTER the 360/PS3 (and DX10 computers of course) and that the UE3 is practically out of date already. THAT'S the graphics whore you speak of.

Oh... kay?

 

[StevieP]

Are you for real?

Unfortunately he wasn't being sarcastic (unless my sarcasm meter broke). If you work hard enough, I bet you can port the freaking ArmorEngine 3 to the N64. Nobody would want to engage in such a ridiculous task, but the point is that UE3 will end up on Wii. Hell, if MS didn't completely stop support of the XBox, it would've been downgraded for that as well by somebody.

If you pay attention to Mr. Personality himself when he opens his blow-holeyou'd have learned that Unreal Engine 4 is already in the works for the consoles AFTER the 360/PS3 (and DX10 computers of course) and that the UE3 is practically out of date already. THAT'S the graphics whore you speak of.

But enough about Rein. Back to topic.

 

[Amir0x]

If you pay attention to Mr. Personality himself when he opens his blow-holeyou'd have learned that Unreal Engine 4 is already in the works for the consoles AFTER the 360/PS3 (and DX10 computers of course) and that the UE3 is practically out of date already. THAT'S the graphics whore you speak of.

:lol :lol

"Hey guys, you remember that engine that we made - Unreal Engine 3.0 - where our company made millions upon millions of dollars licensing it to companies for use? Yeaah... so how about we not intelligently plan for the future where we can make more countless millions by starting work on Unreal Engine 4.0. After all I hear StevieP on GAF thinks we're graphics whores!"

 

[Kroole]

Yes, him being a graphic whore does not have any relevance to his statement on what his engine can do on system X, Y or Z... because they made it, and they know what it can do. Simple as that.

He said what he said because that's in his interest. Why talk up a system which is rarely going to be using "his" engine? The technology to bring out the maximum in the UE3 engine isn't there in the Wii (and sure as hell isn't in the PSP).
The engine is perfectly scaleable but he expressed doubts about why would wyou scale it down so much that a 4 year old engine could do a similar job. 3rd parties (not Rein) will bring UE3 to Wii just as they're doing with PSP.

 

[Amir0x]

He said what he said because that's in his interest. Why talk up a system which is rarely going to be using "his" engine? The technology to bring out the maximum in the UE3 engine isn't there in the Wii (and sure as hell isn't in the PSP).
The engine is perfectly scaleable but he expressed doubts about why would wyou scale it down so much that a 4 year old engine could do a similar job. 3rd parties (not Rein) will bring UE3 to Wii just as they're doing with PSP.

Hello, UE3.0 being widespread on Wii is just as much in his interest as anyone else: his company stands to make millions if it were possible. Why the **** would he care what the end result was if he could convince companies that UE3.0 would work well on Wii if scaled down? Because that would mean MORE MONEY for Epic.

Let's review, carefully so you can think about this.

Mark Rein's best interest = make money
Wii utilizing UE3.0 on a decently wide scale = Epic making even more money

Mark Rein saying it's probably not a good idea to even try does not equal "in his best interest", it equals reality. otherwise he would not say something that could turn away potential customers.

 

[Eric_S]

From the GameDaily article:

Rainbow Six: Vegas is the first Ubisoft PSP game that will support online gameplay for up to six players. The technology that the studio developed for this game will be shared with other development teams working on PSP titles. Ubisoft had several ad hoc multiplayer games running at its Las Vegas press event, and the game ran smoothly and offered solid FPS action. Two of the six classic multiplayer maps from Raven Shield were playable - the Presidio and the private airport and tower. Online gameplay includes survival and team survival modes.

Locked at 30fps?

 

[Kroole]

Mark Rein's best interest = make money
Wii utilizing UE3.0 on a decently wide scale = Epic making even more money

Mark Rein saying it's probably not a good idea to even try does not equal "in his best interest", it equals reality. otherwise he would not say something that could turn away potential customers.

What do you think he would say about UE3 on PSP?

Eurogamer: What system would you have to build or buy to makes sure there are no compromises in an Unreal Engine 3 game?

Mark Rein: This is pretty much it, what we're running here. A really fast high end processor, either Intel or AMD, a GeForce 6800, half a gig to a gig of RAM would be good

Eurogamer: At the low end of the scale, what's the minimum you would need?

Mark Rein: We're pretty much aiming that if you're a real gamer and you want decent performance of this engine, that's pretty much where we want you to start. It doesn't mean that the game won't run on things that are less than that - of course we'll have some fallbacks for the previous generation of video cards and systems that don't have all that power, but it'll be like playing in software today. It's okay and it works and you don't have to return the game but it's not the optimal experience. We believe in that term 'The Way It's Meant To Be Played' and we really want people to have a good experience.

That's why he doesn't see the Wii as a feasible option for UE3. The specs he mentioned here has obviously risen since that interview.

 

[mckmas8808]

Actually ethelred, although it's coming from mckmas8808 this is a valid question.

.

Wow you made me out to be some kind of fanboy or something. :lol

 

[darkbanjo]

Looks nice, but if I'm going to get Vegas, I'm going to get it for 360. It just seems like more of a console suited game to me.