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Rare: Kameo should have "scrapped everything and started again"
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Rocksteady33
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It's funny, I sort of gave up on this generation due to loss of interest around end of 2007/early 2008 and when I think back Kameo is probably one of the few games I will look back on and get nostalgic about. I don't think it was a AAA game but it was the first 360 game to welcome me to the current generation with high class visuals, an appealing genre (adventure/platformer-ish) and some decent replay value.
And for those who can't believe those who think Kameo is the best Rare output this generation, you've got to understand for those who truly loved what Rare used to create, Kameo is the closest thing. When you play Kameo you can relate it to Jet Force Gemini, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day/Live Reloaded, Donkey Kong 64, Star Fox Adventures, Donkey Kong Country and hell even Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Viva Pinata, while a great game, is completely different to what most N64 Rare fans expect from the company.
And for those who can't believe those who think Kameo is the best Rare output this generation, you've got to understand for those who truly loved what Rare used to create, Kameo is the closest thing. When you play Kameo you can relate it to Jet Force Gemini, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day/Live Reloaded, Donkey Kong 64, Star Fox Adventures, Donkey Kong Country and hell even Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Viva Pinata, while a great game, is completely different to what most N64 Rare fans expect from the company.
_Alkaline_
Member
Absolute Bastard said:
Some of the character art is pretty bad yes but I'm not sure where the overall art criticism comes from.
As far as achieving a fantasy land goes, Kameo is easily one of the better efforts. The various vistas in the game all look quite brilliant, not because they're technically fantastic but because they're well-composed too. Take the lake in the Enchanted Kingdom, for instance. The various animals the scurry and float around, the rainbow suspended above the water, the seashells...in fact just typing it out reminds me how well Kameo created its world. A lot of it also had to do with both the fantastic music as well as the environmental sounds. It's just such an ethereal atmosphere.
Like I said, quite a few of the NPCs (and Kameo) don't look flash but there's a lot to like as far as art goes. Plus even some of the characters look pretty good, such as those around the Enchanted Kingdom or the hilarious creatures in Snowtop, and the actual warriors are both superbly designed and animated. They have a ton of character.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
That is a good game!Adam J. said:
I was hoping they'd revisit some of their other Speeccy games like that. Sadly, well.. heh.
darkpaladinmfc
Member
But Kameo was the best 360 launch game? Without Kameo the 360 launch would have totally sucked.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Geometry Wars was the best 360 launch game.darkpaladinmfc said:
DownLikeBCPowder
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Princess Skittles said:
Geometry Wars is king of kings.
Wildstar75
Member
Monty Mole said:
So true...this company is clueless!!!
JordanLMiller
Member
Monty Mole said:
That's not saying much...
â Narayan
Member
Rare is a bloated corpse.
Absolute Bastard
Member
_Alkaline_ said:
Personally, didn't care for the creature designs. Grass/trees were nice though. It's been years since I played it, but I remember that outside the fortresses the world was pretty generic.
CaseyTappy
Member
BobTheFork said:
Try reading again , he doesn't say it's crap just that he thinks it's not a game for the Xbox Audience .
It's an old style Rare game developed with the Nintendo audience in mind .
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
I liked Kameo. Not their best work, but a solid launch title. I think they're being a bit harsh on themselves.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
You're probably playing the wrong ones. For instance, Killzone 2 sucks.Earl Cazone said:
darkpaladinmfc
Member
True, but I was thinking of retail titles only.Princess Skittles said:
rollingstart
Banned
Fuck Kameo. Why do they never talk about Nuts and Bolts? the last mention of Banjo after it was, uh, in that sonic racing game? make Nuts and Bolts 2 already. You can't even find another game to satisfy the urge for Nuts and Bolts gameplay. At least Kameo is acknowledged.
Zenith said:
actually 360 launched with Call of Duty 2 and PGR3 for the audience that dude is wandering about..
then they (rare) also had out PDZ day1 too.
Cameo was a female elf(or fairy with elf ears??!) that ..flew and.... shifted shapes.
if his biggest problem was if the main character looked more like an elf or a fairy -when not changed into some hairy, cute animal etc to remind you-
then I guess he doesn't get it.
for the record, day1 I got my 360 with CoD2 and PGR3, I was so satisfied by those two that next morning I went back and bought Cameo and PDZ.
All four games completed their task for me, with Cameo being the beautiful arcade game (that had a very nice scoring system and could be played like an old arcade) and PDZ the online campaign co-op shooter thing.
For those interested in this George Andreas guy:
* Started out working in Q&A, debugging releases from 90s Rare
* Became involved in contributing ideas to Banjo-Kazooie (released 1998)
* Involved in development of Donkey Kong 64 (released 1999)
* Became director of Kameo (released 2005)
* Started out working in Q&A, debugging releases from 90s Rare
* Became involved in contributing ideas to Banjo-Kazooie (released 1998)
* Involved in development of Donkey Kong 64 (released 1999)
* Became director of Kameo (released 2005)
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
water_wendi said:
Unfortunately, your right.
MikeE21286
Member
:lol
Kameo 2 on the way
Kameo 2 on the way
Woo-Fu
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
True true true true true true.
I think trying to pigeonhole the 360 audience as a whole and/or individuals as people who just want to shoot stuff is a pointless exercise. An exercise that enforces the stereotype.
My two favorite games on 360 are Viva Pinata and Gears of War, clearly the stereotype is broken.
The Awkward Wizard
Member
It doesn't seem to me that he thought it should have been scrapped, just that the lead character should've been something more pleasing to the Xbox demographic, instead of a fairy (pretending to be an elf). Isn't Rare's purpose supposed to be opening up the Xbox audience by bringing in games/characters not usually associated with the Xbox brand, like fairies, pinatas in a garden, and a bear playing with Legos?
Where is that from? Is it another image from the canceled Kameo 2?Shiggy said:
Thank you, Microsoft
Dreams-Visions
Member
^ Kameo was fine as a fairy. I never knew they wanted her to be an "elf". she had fucking wings and looked like Tinkerbell.
it needed a bit more fine-tuning...I found the game fit like a loose glove instead of a snug one in the context of HAVING to use certain spirits in certain situations more often...but the core was there and was solid.
a Kameo 2 with a better, more deliberate elemental switching mechanic and longer Zelda-like gameplay + the same caliber of music accompaniment = legendary.
agreed.Monty Mole said:
it needed a bit more fine-tuning...I found the game fit like a loose glove instead of a snug one in the context of HAVING to use certain spirits in certain situations more often...but the core was there and was solid.
a Kameo 2 with a better, more deliberate elemental switching mechanic and longer Zelda-like gameplay + the same caliber of music accompaniment = legendary.
gnarkill bill
Member
Kameo was an excellent launch title and probably my favorite Rare game in a really long time.
Version 3.0
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Monty Mole said:
True and true.