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Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction Official Thread

tanod said:
8.5 is a good score guys and anybody who pays attention to Joe's reviews knows that he's a sucker for games that do something really new and isn't very easy to please, in general.
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:p his graphics jab is stupid and IMO its fair to jab him back for it. I didn't expect this to get all 9+ for several reasons. I just wont listen the the point the the graphics aren't a noticeable and marked improvement.
 
tanod said:
8.5 is a good score guys and anybody who pays attention to Joe's reviews knows that he's a sucker for games that do something really new and isn't very easy to please, in general.
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Again though, I don't have a problem with that. What I find absolutely pitiful are his comments regarding the game not showing that important leap over its PS2 counterparts, and of course the complete lack of mention of the quality of the character animation and design. The first one makes me think he should just not be doing what he's doing, and I suppose the second point goes hand in hand with his inability (poorly coupled with an apparent burning desire) to rate graphics quality.
 
traveler said:
Since you lot of unbiased geniuses can only be bothered with posting negative quotes from a <8 score.
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From 1up:
Of course, the PS2 games looked so great to begin with that it's harder to find that huge leap that some PS3 games can offer
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Sorry but 1up failed, yet again.
 
Jim said:
There are literally 2 or 3 moments when they "take the control away" like that, none of which struck me as being annoying at all. The first of which is in the demo on that weird first level (which is NOTHING like the rest of the game).

I can't think of any other times that they could possibly be complaining about, and I usually like to bitch about stupid camera scripting.

I wish there was a way to know what the damn skill point requirements are before unlocking them. Have to spend some more time getting those and the last few gold bolts I missed.

Also, 8.5 is still a fair score for a great game. I don't understand this "all reviews must have a 9.0/90% or better" mentatility.
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I dont think it has much to do with the score. Its the texted based review, with some points being ridiculous and some great achievements not even being mentioned.
 
Arsenic said:
I dont think it has much to do with the score. Its the texted based review, with some points being ridiculous and some great achievements not even being mentioned.
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Exactly. Its hard to not laugh when someone says that this game does not look much better than the previous installments found on the PS2. When comments like this are made, its really difficult to trust a review even if valid complaints and criticisms are present.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Again though, I don't have a problem with that. What I find absolutely pitiful are his comments regarding the game not showing that important leap over its PS2 counterparts, and of course the complete lack of mention of the quality of the character animation and design. The first one makes me think he should just not be doing what he's doing, and I suppose the second point goes hand in hand with his inability (poorly coupled with an apparent burning desire) to rate graphics quality.
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Just weird that they didn't make the same stab at another just recently released game.

Too bad R&C doesn't have subtle beauty to make up up for it being among the best looking games of this gen. ^.^

EDIT: Just to make it obvious, I dislike double standards.
 
I do think 1up is kinda getting thrown under the bus a bit, the problem with 1up and all the podcasts and shows they have is that everybody there is in the public eye every week.

Most people have biases, and when your on camera each week, those biases will come through. There's really is no debating a ton of 1up crew are really harsh on the PS3 and are taking constant jabs at it, and the Wii also, while MS gets a major pass on a lot of things. It doesn't help that the main guy in charge now comes acoss as a slathering Xbox fanboy at times. Now that's fine, the same could be said about me and the PS3, difference is I am not a public figure and in charge of one of the largest videogame media outlets. So I think criticism comes with the territory especially if you are talking in context of a hardcore message board.
 
VonGak! said:
Just weird that they didn't make the same stab at another just recently released game.

Too bad R&C doesn't have subtle beauty to make up up for it being among the best looking games of this gen. ^.^

EDIT: Just to make it obvious, I dislike double standards.
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I just laugh at that joke all the time hehe oh well just have to admit 1up doesn't think Ps3 are subtly beautiful. :D
 
Raist said:
Fine, no one wants to help, I'll do it myself then.




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:lol

Gotta love neoGAF :D
 
Oh awesome.

More bitching about an 8.5 review. Good job, gents.

By the way, I stopped by Best Buy at lunch and they didn't have it in yet. Boo...
 
Mifune said:
Oh awesome.

More bitching about an 8.5 review. Good job, gents.

By the way, I stopped by Best Buy at lunch and they didn't have it in yet. Boo...
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Why are you so focused on the score? People here are complaining about

Of course, the PS2 games looked so great to begin with that it's harder to find that huge leap that some PS3 games can offer
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Address the comments or don't bother responding at all. No one is bitching about a score.
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They'll probably never bother to respond to this :

Of course, the PS2 games looked so great to begin with that it's harder to find that huge leap that some PS3 games can offer
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Probably one of the greatest moments of journalism ever.
 
Quotes from IGN:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/829/829409p2.html

9.5 Graphics:
"Fantastic" is what comes to mind when describing the sights you'll see. A rock-solid framerate, crazy effects, a terrific art design and environmental activity galore. Prettiest thing on the system.
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10 Presentation:
Insomniac has created its most intriguing and diverse universe yet. The story is strong and ends with closure and a cliffhanger (figure that one out), while load times rarely exist.
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9.5 Gameplay
Insomniac has the Ratchet and Clank formula down pat and the balance and progression of the shooting/ platforming/ space battles has be refined to award-winning levels. Fun, fun, fun!
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Whether you're new to R&C or someone who has played them all, Ratchet and Clank Future deserves to be in your library no matter what. Not only has it supplanted Going Commando as the best title in the franchise, it's also the best game of any series on the PlayStation 3 thus far -- and that's saying a lot when you're up against Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden, Warhawk and Insomniac's very own previous effort, Resistance: Fall of Man.

Congratulations Full Moon folks, you're two for two.
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Mifune said:
Oh awesome.

More bitching about an 8.5 review. Good job, gents.

By the way, I stopped by Best Buy at lunch and they didn't have it in yet. Boo...
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To be fair, it has moved bitching about an absolutely asinine remark that Ratchet PS2 graphics are remotely similar to Ratchet PS3. I mean if the 5th Ratchet's gameplay is tiring you out cause it's similar? That's cool. But to say PS2 reached some kind of graphical pinnacle and this game doesn't improve much upon it makes me think this guy has serious vision problems.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Address the comments or don't bother responding at all. No one is bitching about a score.
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Well, let's be real here. You are. I mean obviously the review is written kind of badly and deserves the lashing, but if there was a 9.5 at the end instead of an 8.5, it would have been tossed in the bucket like the rest and not given a second glance.

The substance of the complaints may be the content of the review, but the impetus of the complaints is that score.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Address the comments or don't bother responding at all. No one is bitching about a score.
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It's rather amusing that people are criticizing those that are pointing out how ridiculous the graphics comment is but those same people don't want to actually address the graphics point. People always whine about those who look at a score and get upset over it, no one is looking the score they're looking at the text of the review.
 
bluheim said:
They'll probably never bother to respond to this :



Probably one of the greatest moments of journalism ever.
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I already have. It's called "dimishing returns" and it applies to every single next-gen game out there. It also didn't stop Joe from calling the game beautiful, hardly a dig at the game's graphics. If you guys honestly think he was trying to criticize Ratchet's graphical prowess, (or the PS3's in general) I don't know how to help you.

Edit: Draft, you don't even have to say that. They were waiting with baited breath and guns in hand as soon as the score was mentioned yesterday, before any text had hit. Any words- and I mean ANY words- out of line and, BAM, 1up is dead meat.
 
Mifune said:
Oh awesome.

More bitching about an 8.5 review. Good job, gents.

By the way, I stopped by Best Buy at lunch and they didn't have it in yet. Boo...
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Read the tread first so you do not make your self look dumb. :p :)

We are debating the content of the written review where there was... let's say below the belt comments which help gaming journalism keep its bad reputation.
 
traveler said:
I already have. It's called "dimishing returns" and it applies to every single next-gen game out there. It also didn't stop Joe from calling the game beautiful, hardly a dig at the game's graphics. If you guys honestly think he was trying to criticize Ratchet's graphical prowess, (or the PS3's in general) I don't know how to help you.
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And there you go defending this mediocrity again. Have you actually played a Ratchet game before? They sure were pretty... for PS2 games. Compared to this, however, the generational leap is about as obvious as it is likely to get, and it applies to everything from models to effects, and from textures to enviromental detail. And without twisting anyone's words, that is what Joe failed to see. Which of course makes it incredibly difficult to take anything he has to say about graphics quality seriously.

traveler said:
Edit: Draft, you don't even have to say that. They were waiting with baited breath and guns in hand as soon as the score was mentioned yesterday, before any text had hit. Any words- and I mean ANY words- out of line and, BAM, 1up is dead meat.
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So let's see, we are discussing the review text, and you are desperately trying to twist it into a score debate. I'd ask someone to spot the issue here, but I think it's so blatantly obvious that it wouldn't make for a very worthwhile challenge.
 
traveler said:
If you guys honestly think he was trying to criticize Ratchet's graphical prowess, (or the PS3's in general) I don't know how to help you.
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How is he not when he says it's harder to find a huge leap over the PS2 editions? You can bring up the diminishing returns bullshit all you want, but that's an absurd thing to say. And if you do say it then don't be shocked when people laugh at your review and have difficulty taking it seriously.

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AltogetherAndrews said:
Address the comments or don't bother responding at all. No one is bitching about a score.
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Oh, and whining about one line in an extremely positive review is any less pathetic?

This game gets a 9.5 and nobody is complaining.
 
Mifune said:
Oh, and whining about one line in an extremely positive review is any less pathetic?

This game gets a 9.5 and nobody is complaining.
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That line is pathetic. The dude can't spot much of a leap from PS2 Ratchet games to Ratchet for PS3, and he sees himself fit to even talk about graphics? Comical.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
That line is pathetic. The dude can't spot much of a leap from PS2 Ratchet games to Ratchet for PS3, and he sees himself fit to even talk about graphics? Comical.
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Yet he still calls the game beautiful and gives it a high score. Go figure.
 
Mifune said:
Yet he still calls the game beautiful and gives it a high score. Go figure.
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You seem awfully obsessed with the score there, dude. I take issue with his comment, and of course you've got nothing to add in reference to that and instead aims for the score. Go figure indeed.
 
I played UYA, but that was it. Thought it was quite great. As far as how it compares with ToD graphically, I think there is a pretty big difference. Like I said, I honestly think that comment was an offhand remark about dimishing returns in general but, hey, maybe if you guys keep making noise about it, he'll actually blog about the damn sentence, so, by all means, continue.

Mifune said:
Oh, and whining about one line in an extremely positive review is any less pathetic?

This game gets a 9.5 and nobody is complaining.
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They said tell them "how awesome it is;"negative comments aren't welcome. :P

Edit: And what are you constantly referring to as "mediocre?" My posts? Me? What?

AltogetherAndrews said:
You seem awfully obsessed with the score there, dude. I take issue with his comment, and of course you've got nothing to add in reference to that and instead aims for the score. Go figure indeed.
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You've got to be friggin kidding me. :lol

You guys know as well as I do the score decided 1up's fate yesterday- just look at the EGM thread at the beginning for crying out loud- words were hardly your first concern Mr. "I Only Care About the Text."
 
traveler said:
I played UYA, but that was it. Thought it was quite great. As far as how it compares with ToD graphically, I think there is a pretty big difference. Like I said, I honestly think that comment was an offhand remark about dimishing returns in general but, hey, maybe if you guys keep making noise about it, he'll actually blog about the damn sentence, so, by all means, continue.
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If he wants to make a general comment about diminishing returns, he should probably stick that in a blog, or at least in a review where it makes a lick of sense. In regards to Ratchet, it just plain doesn't, and it makes this reviewer look like someone who shouldn't be talking about graphics quality, ever.

traveler said:
You've got to be friggin kidding me. :lol

You guys know as well as I do the score decided 1up's fate yesterday- just look at the EGM thread at the beginning for crying out loud- words were hardly your first concern Mr. "I Only Care About the Text."
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No, I'm not kidding you at all. The only concern I had prior to reading the review was that perhaps the dude docked it for lacking multiplayer, and to his credit he didn't do so. But as it so happens, what is in the review is actually a good chunk more unbelievably insane than that. And that's what I've been commenting on.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
If he wants to make a general comment about diminishing returns, he should probably stick that in a blog, or at least in a review where it makes a lick of sense. In regards to Ratchet, it just plain doesn't, and it makes this reviewer look like someone who shouldn't be talking about graphics quality, ever.
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It reads more like a compliment to Insomniac's artistry across the entire series and less like an indictment of the PS3's graphical ability.
 
natureman3 said:
more reviews are coming in
Gamepro 5/5 (100/100)
Gamernode 95/100
Gamezone 93/100

good score.

1up did not like it much apparently...
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Where'd you get the Gamepro score?

nvm found it

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