Glorious_Paradox
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Well, after playing Rayman: Origins, it's no surprise the guy who designed it has no idea what makes a good platformer.
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Rayman's Ancel: 'I Don't Really Enjoy Playing Mario Games'
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Im pretty sure the Rayman and Rabbid games are among Ubisoft's top selling franchises, if not the top selling.
I mean its not doing gangbusters Mario level sales, but the franchise does well for the company.
Jesus fucking christ
Ancel: Mario is fantastic but its not my cup of tea
Negative Gaf: Rayman is the most horseshit shithouse that a horse has ever shat and built a house out of
One of these is reasonable, and as usual its not Gaf.
Ken Masters
Banned
Rayman Origins is an absolute classic plat former. But you're really going to into the sales=quality discussion?
Bad marketing is the reason.
Rayman Origins is one of the best platformer of the year, saying that it sucks is fucking stupid.
You may not like it (just like Ancel doesn't like playing Mario, but he still recognizes it's a good series), but it's a great fucking game.
thetrin
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Who cares if it sells or doesn't? Rayman Origins is still a fantastic game, regardless.
Really? Because I'm enjoying rayman origins more than any platformer I've played in probably 5 years.
lol. rayman 1 was the best selling game on ps1 in the uk, more than gran turismo, more than final fantasy more than tomb raider. people clearly hated the game so much that they told all their friends about it, as shown by it being in the uk top 40 selling games for 261 weeks.
Awful is a harsh one, but its not as good as GAF is hyping it up to be. Just because its a niche game and it never sold gangbusters, it doesn't mean it have to be worshipped.
The hit collision is the main thing that killed it for me, the art is good and I liked the story, but the gameplay is simply not good. The camera is awful and whoever thought that stealth part was god idea need to be fired.
Yeah, no one cares about sales. The game might as well bleed money and Ubi should make more of them.
The Rabbids games were initially, but have had steep declines with each new release. Games with Rayman being the star have not done well in a long time. If ******** is to be believed at all Rayman Origins currently sits at about 50k in sales globally.
I think he explains pretty well in the linked interview.
He likes games with narrative hooks, and he doesnt like the feel for whatever reason, but still realizes the series is a fantastic one that he's just not into. The slap line strikes me as a jokey reference to his own game.
How the fuck you got that out of the interview is beyond me.
Ehh...Changing the way you progresses be it collecting 120 stars or going through a world map would not be much of a change, none that really matters what matters is the levels you go into.
Ken Masters
Banned
but explain to me how sales=quality
Its not a question about the quality. Its about a universal apeal what the first guy that was quoted talking about. There is a reason why Mario sells and Rayman don't. Its the gameplay that is liked by hardcore and casual gamers alike which Rayman never grasped at and relied strongely on Niche appeal (later in the years anyway, since the PS1 games sold gangbusters)
Neuromancer
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That's OK. He's allowed to have his own opinion, guys.
That wasn't his point, you are reading it wrong.
It's best quality around + sales = Mario
Shtof
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Well, Mario 3 is a play after all...
You just ruined my childhood.
That's a strong opinion and one I disagree with. I much prefer Rayman 1, 2, and Origins to Sunshine as well as NSMB and NSMB Wii.
CoffeeJanitor
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That goes for pretty much any big franchise.
harriet the spy
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Maybe the thread wouldn't have attracted the worst idiots from GAF if the OP hadn't reused the linkbait title from an interview summary of the actual interview (I do love how gamasutra has a special, shorter article just for the purpose of dropping that 'nugget').
In the full interview, Ancel clearly has a lot of respect for Miyamoto. But no, it had to be 'Ancel says Mario sucks! Rayman is shit! Mario sucks! BGE is the worst shit i have ever played!'.
Yes, I clearly remember him talking about Hascoet being closer to Miyamoto in spirit before.
In the full interview, Ancel clearly has a lot of respect for Miyamoto. But no, it had to be 'Ancel says Mario sucks! Rayman is shit! Mario sucks! BGE is the worst shit i have ever played!'.
Yes, I clearly remember him talking about Hascoet being closer to Miyamoto in spirit before.
DeaconKnowledge
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That's nice.
I can't say I can really identify with the Rayman series, from either a straight gameplay or narrative perspective, so on that front I find Ancel's comments weird.
I can't say I can really identify with the Rayman series, from either a straight gameplay or narrative perspective, so on that front I find Ancel's comments weird.
I like Ancel's games, but Beyoncd Good and Evil is still shit in comparison to Zelda and Rayman is still shit in comparison to Mario. I appreciate the humor of his games but that's about it.
How can you hate on Mario games when your entire career is based on ripping off Nintendo.
How can you hate on Mario games when your entire career is based on ripping off Nintendo.
It's important to understand what the differing approaches of 120 stars vs. World Map actually imply mechanically. I feel that a lot of people reference "120 stars" as a stand-in for complaints that are difficult for them to define or describe.
The biggest difference between the two, the trade-off, is that the 120-star model is used to enable a far less directly linear progression through the levels. The player gets far more choice about the order in which levels are attempted. The disadvantage is simply the flip-side of this coin: the game designer has that much less control over the progression of the game "experience".
LordPhoque
Banned
Hey gamasutra, it's Chevalier de l'Ordre des arts et des Lettres.
EDIT : also, wtf, the questions in this interview are pretty much a rip off from Gamekult's
DeaconKnowledge
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For clarity's sake, a follow up interview where Ancel specifically talks about Miyamoto and their approaches to making games.
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You've been called "the French Miyamoto." How do you feel about it? Does it bother you?
MA: No, it could have been a lot worse. [smiles] Of course it's an honor. I think I'm very different from Miyamoto. And not only because I don't speak Japanese! In my opinion, he focuses a lot on gameplay, whereas I really like to work with technical tools, too.
I really loved the idea of introducing artistic features in games -- that is to say the storytelling, the artwork, music -- and to get everything together in the best possible alchemy. We have two different approaches, two different tracks.
And he's such a star! When I'm compared to him, I find it very exaggerated. I still have a lot to learn! Actually, Miyamoto has always been one of my models, because when I started as a game designer, there were no video games schools, no well-defined jobs, and anyhow, everyone had to find someone to get inspired from. Miyamoto is the top guy.
Would you like to work with him?
MA: It never happened, but of course I wish I could. We've already met. He even told me he wasn't fond of BGE! [laughs, embarrassed] He really liked the cooperation work with [sidekick character] Pey'j, but wasn't satisfied with cameras. He suggested we had a look at what Nintendo did withSuper Mario Sunshine.
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You've been called "the French Miyamoto." How do you feel about it? Does it bother you?
MA: No, it could have been a lot worse. [smiles] Of course it's an honor. I think I'm very different from Miyamoto. And not only because I don't speak Japanese! In my opinion, he focuses a lot on gameplay, whereas I really like to work with technical tools, too.
I really loved the idea of introducing artistic features in games -- that is to say the storytelling, the artwork, music -- and to get everything together in the best possible alchemy. We have two different approaches, two different tracks.
And he's such a star! When I'm compared to him, I find it very exaggerated. I still have a lot to learn! Actually, Miyamoto has always been one of my models, because when I started as a game designer, there were no video games schools, no well-defined jobs, and anyhow, everyone had to find someone to get inspired from. Miyamoto is the top guy.
Would you like to work with him?
MA: It never happened, but of course I wish I could. We've already met. He even told me he wasn't fond of BGE! [laughs, embarrassed] He really liked the cooperation work with [sidekick character] Pey'j, but wasn't satisfied with cameras. He suggested we had a look at what Nintendo did withSuper Mario Sunshine.
Pretty funny considering he just released a mario clone and started his game career with another. One of the most ridiculous things he said lately was that Rayman Origins was in no way influenced by NSMBwii, in fact I think he said that he never played it. I guess it being a 4-player platformer and with a bubble mechanic literally stolen from Mario was just a coincidence.
sixteen-bit
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source?
Yep. Nothing personal, but usually what happens when a quote is taken out of context.
Like last week, were "Wal-Mart lost money on each $99 Wii", people ran around with that bit of the quote, ignoring the full the context that was that Reggie was asked if Nintendo lost money on those $99 Wii, on which he replied with that; since it was Wal-Mart's decision to put it at that price; not them.
Even worse in this case, since is a translated quote. Like for example, Computer (on GAF) originally translated it with "I don't play Mario games" and proceeded to explain/talk about some of the mechanics, while in the case of this thread it was "I don't really enjoy playing Mario games" (taken from Gamasutra's link)..but forgets to add the rest of the line of thought; which expands the reasoning, with actual complaints instead of OP's stance for no longer enjoying to play Mario games because of been "tired of the same ol same ol".
Same link that was posted earlier, which the main post's article seems to be based on:
I think he's just salty he'll never be able to design a game as good as any Mario.
People should focus on the longer interview that gamasutra has, instead of the page-views-provoking title
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featu...asutra+Feature+Articles)&utm_content=Netvibes
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featu...asutra+Feature+Articles)&utm_content=Netvibes
LordPhoque
Banned
I'll take Rayman Origins over any 2D Mario game since SMW.
Rayman Origins has nothing to do with NSMBWII, what are you talking about? "Both games have bubbles, oh noes!" Give me a fucking break.
harriet the spy
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Too bad miyamoto steals all his ideas from prototypes sent to Nintendo :/
/trolling, since this is all what this thread will be good at.
LordPhoque
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Yeah I really don't really understand the comparison either, Rayman Origins is more like DK Returns.
harriet the spy
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I am pretty sure you have to choose a side. Since I have never played an Ancel game, I think i'll just go ahead and say that everything he did was garbage.
CoffeeJanitor
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OP should have this, but it won't get as many replies that way.
No, it's not both games have bubbles. It's both games have the exact same multiplayer mechanic to revive each other.
There's nothing wrong with copying that, but there's something wrong with not owning up to it.
Yep, agree with him. Either you are a hardcore fan of the series, or not.
I replayed DKCR just before Rayman Origins so perhaps that influenced my opinion a bit. I will say that I would rather play Rayman Origins than Mario 3D Land, though, which was a gigantic disappointment for me. But as far as 2D platformers go, I'd still take NSMBW and DKCR a thousand times over RO. I just don't care very much for the way 2D Rayman games feel.
you realize ancel isn't the only person designing the game
when he says he personally hasn't played nsmb wii, it doesn't mean someone else on the team didn't and decided to borrow the idea.
harriet the spy
Member
Is it really the first game with the mechanic? I haven't played either game, but I could swear I have played something with the same idea (or maybe it's a testament to the genius of the idea that something new would seem so natural to me).
It's not quite the same kind of game, but could you revive the other player that way in bubble bobble?
Me as well. The controls just feel a bit janky and loose, I'd qualify the feedback you get from your actions as poor. Maybe Ancel could learn a thing or two by playing Mario games.
Though, again it's really ironic how this was posted a month ago in here (translated from the original source at Gamekult); but this thread already has more replies...a month later, because of the title; which is a quote taken out of context.
Also weird how the Gamasutra link says all the time "told to Gamasutra" as it was an exclusive interview, when it wasn't. Though, maybe there was a deal between them and Gamekult, or maybe they're from the same owner..so I don't know.
Also weird how the Gamasutra link says all the time "told to Gamasutra" as it was an exclusive interview, when it wasn't. Though, maybe there was a deal between them and Gamekult, or maybe they're from the same owner..so I don't know.