What are the legitimate concerns besides the 8 to 10 hour length of the game?
Cut scenes? Qte? That's subjective and not a turn off imo
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Cut scenes? Qte? That's subjective and not a turn off imo
Graphics Horse
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Does it now, really. There are two different play throughs out there that fall between 5 and 6 hours, presumably one was produced by Microsoft and the other Nintendo?
Dictator93
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Ryse was immediately criticized by press and gamer alike.
Actually those runs were done by some PC dick riders who were emulating PS4s on their 15,000 USD PCs, which they only normally use word processing.
akachan ningen
Member
What a wishy-washy response. Just say how long the game is and move on.
You're right. I forgot about these two. These two games do not exist in my gaming universe....so almost all.
GeordieMark
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The proportion of gameplay to cut-scenes. How prevalent are the QTEs? How is the combat and encounter design?
Lots of valid reasons not to get too hyped. Same as with any other game.
Honest question... Do people sit around with like a stopwatch or something to time themselves playing games? It seems like, for a lot of people, the only report on the game length worth trusting is that one YouTube play through. GAF members who have been verified to have the game, and are reporting ~twice the length, are either lying or they're mistaken.
I doubt they're lying to fluff up the game as their impressions, while slightly on the positive side, have certainly not been universally glowing. Despite their complaints, they unequivocally claim that ~6 hours is very short compared to their experience.
So... Do you think they're just mistaken? Like they feel like they got 10 hours out of the game but it was actually ~6?
I doubt they're lying to fluff up the game as their impressions, while slightly on the positive side, have certainly not been universally glowing. Despite their complaints, they unequivocally claim that ~6 hours is very short compared to their experience.
So... Do you think they're just mistaken? Like they feel like they got 10 hours out of the game but it was actually ~6?
Unfortunately it's not very skewed. It's how fanboys operates. And they're all the same, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft fanboys. Ask yourself this question:
Would there be so much discussion regarding The Order 1886 if it was multiplatform?
Readingaid
Neo Member
Could you summarize without spoilers please?
Gormenghast
Member
I'm pretty sure the reviewers will pile on this, just wait a few days
Imho, the premises for this game were bad from the very first showing. The few things I saw on Youtube, like endless cutscenes and one TERRIBLE turret section, just confirmed it's another Ryse with slightly more interesting setting.
matrix-cat
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They die frequently, fail a bunch of QTEs and don't seem to know the controls in the first few videos, so I'd say it's a first time playthrough.
I assume people just added up the length of all the individual videos. I guess the guy could be trying to pass off a truncated playthrough as the full thing, but I don't know why you'd automatically assume foul play. It's just a guy on Youtube playing a game.
I think games length is important to people who have a lot of time to play everyday. I get about a 30min to an hour window to play games each day so I guess all games seem long to me because they take me a week or two to complete. I guess I don't judge the value of a game till I play it. If I enjoy the game it was worth it if I didn't it wasn't. Simple.
GeordieMark
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Some people would be much more critical and some much less.
Tell that to my 7 year old son and all his friends who played the shit out of Knack. Loved every minute of it. Some games are not for everyone, and that will probably be the same for The Order too.
GHG
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I'm pretty sure the reviewers will pile on this, just wait a few days
Imho, the premises for this game were bad from the very first showing. The few things I saw on Youtube, like endless cutscenes and one TERRIBLE turret section, just confirmed it's another Ryse with slightly more interesting setting.
So "all reports" are just your opinions from watching the game being played on YouTube?
Thanks for clearing that up.
-MD-
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Genuinely curious about this myself. The only actual proof we seem to have are the 2 youtube videos, I'm not familiar with the new one but the first one was 5 1/2 hours.
I've seen people throw their hands up throughout the day wondering why we're not trusting gaffer's opinions on the 10-12 hour quotes but being a fellow member on a message board shouldn't automatically earn someone's trust. Some proof would be pretty sweet to support the 12 hour stuff.
I didn't say that developers must accept every cristicsm and apply it to their game -- that is their privilage, they get to choose what to regard or disregard. If they wanted to make a 1hr game and charge $500 then they are free to do it. Of course, they are not going to do that because they want to sell a product, which is also why they value feedback.
I can't think of a way without potentially spoiling it since it's about characters and the story
Not sure how this game compares to ryse other than both have qte elements.I'm pretty sure the reviewers will pile on this, just wait a few days
Imho, the premises for this game were bad from the very first showing. The few things I saw on Youtube, like endless cutscenes and one TERRIBLE turret section, just confirmed it's another Ryse with slightly more interesting setting.
Nintendo? Haha, last thing on my mind. Plus, they don't have a history of doing this. The other one does, however. Presumably.
Throwing in anecdotal evidences doesn't help. While I think Knack was definitely slightly better than the metacritic it was still a shallow game. The key point I guess, is the metacritic.
Haha, what a post.
Northeastmonk
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I don't know about you, but Tuesday's were becoming too predictable. It was the start of the work week and you had midnight launches on Monday night. Friday's work if you aren't controlled by the social aspect of it and you can't get past the feeling of buying a game on a Friday night instead of heading out.
Sounds like they were more vocal than Squaresoft was. JK
family_guy
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Depends. There are books out there that cost $30+. Go to the theater. Spend $10+ just on one ticket and if you have a significant other and/or kids then that just keeps adding on to the price. Then there's the refreshment costs if you want something. Then you leave the theater empty handed. 3 months later if you liked the movie enough you end up buying it for another $20+.
If it were a multiplatform game from a developer new to home consoles it would likely get the Wolfenstein, cult-hit treatment. Of course, it's not out yet so that may be a bit of a stretch. Also, it wouldn't have the same production value if it weren't a first-party title but... No.
The game likely would release without so much controversy and the people who were interested would buy it and discuss it. The people who aren't interested would probably go about their business. Kinda like how things usually work in life. Exclusives are like Fergie's lady lumps. They're provocative. They get the people going. Regardless of whether or not they known what it actually means.
AbandonedTrolley
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While I agree, I am getting both and chances are that I will never see the end of Bloodborne as I generally suck at the Souls games. If I get 6-8 hours from The Order, that to me is fine. I'm playing for the story and if it's a good one that I enjoy, then it's money well spent.
BreezyLimbo
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loaf of bread
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For fuck's sake stop worrying about the length. If its too short for you to spend 60 bucks, wait until the price goes down to where its worth it. Boom! Problem solved.
MemoryHumanity
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ICO is like 6 hours long and it's the best game ever made so.
curlyfriski
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It's also weird that RAD themselves aren't saying it's 10-12 hours long. That's a number you could comfortably tell. That they don't reveal it makes me think it's rather on the low end.
- Short length
- Packed with QTEs
- Hand holding
- Black bars
- Tons of cut scenes
Yeah, these are subjective, but still, legitimately concerns regarding the title. Personally I don't really care for most of them, since right now I just want to play through a linear action game after having played through 4-5 open world games withing the last couple of months.
GrizzleBoy
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I just can't buy games at full price if they last as long as one gaming session.....
Its the only reason why after enjoying the hell out of Vanquish's demo, I couldn't buy it.
I like to play games for a long time. I HATE when I'm enjoying a good game and it just ends abruptly.
The other problem is that I will never do a second run through of games, which I guess is why I can't stand the short ones. Once I've completed it, its dead to me..
Its the only reason why after enjoying the hell out of Vanquish's demo, I couldn't buy it.
I like to play games for a long time. I HATE when I'm enjoying a good game and it just ends abruptly.
The other problem is that I will never do a second run through of games, which I guess is why I can't stand the short ones. Once I've completed it, its dead to me..
GeordieMark
Member
Oh wow. Got your tinfoil hat on?
Presumably.
It's what you do with it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Did they miss the Destiny Massacre? Where after it was released, every thread that was made related to Destiny there was a pile on?
Definitely not PS4 exclusive only games that are getting hate. I think this generation is the one where gamers get tired of all the BS that AAA developers try to shove down our throats.
Sho_Nuff82
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The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of the extremes. The yt run, while not exactly speed running, did no exploration. One of the GAF posters, who finished in roughly 9 hours, found 99% of the secret content. Now that's a small sample size, but they represent the opposite ends of the curious player spectrum. Most people would logically fall into the 7-8 hour window if that was the case. Which is not alarmingly short for a SP game, it's standard.
Personally, based on the spoiler videos I've seen, I'd be more concerned with the QTEs and enemy encounter variety than the raw length, it's not exactly RE4 or Gears in either field.
That's one of the most important parts. If you finish the game and feel like you got a complete experience or if it leaves with "but I just started this" feeling. I guess the reviews will tell.
Phreakuency
Banned
Mediocre hey?
gaming_noob
Member
Yep. Or buy it used. The game has no multiplayer so it's not going to be too hard to find a couple of used copies a week or two after launch.
FeiRR
Banned
In Europe it is normal. Which would make sense as it's a worldwide release.
Most concerts I bought tickets for were about $40-$60 if the band is really popular. Concerts last 60-120 minutes most of the time. I usually have to add travelling costs too, which doubles the price. Games aren't a very expensive hobby anyway.
The issue here (at least to me) is not being a SP only game. IMO is it being a full priced game. I don't mind short experiences if priced accordingly.
Not necessarily foul play. I still question, the legitimacy of some guy with a 5 hour video, that cannot be fully vetted. The only way that this video can be vetted, it's if someone, who actually has played the game (verified), can watch this 5 hour video to verify its legitimacy? Until then...it's open for speculation until the game comes out.
Northeastmonk
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What's worse the early copies or the length? You can easily pick it up, but SD is becoming pointless. It's just a random chance you get it early anymore and that's that.
-MD-
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Here dude. Spoiler-free impressions from Rapier in the spoiler thread. I edited a few spoilers out so hopefully nobody complains.
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