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(Reasonable folks please) Comparing the 360 Premium vs the PS3 core

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Why not just have one SKU with card readers, HMDI output, 40 Gig HDD for $499? I think many of us would pay for that.

That's what I was excepcting and would have been OK with. The extra 100 bones is a bitch, especially at Xmas.

That doesn't mean anything to europeans. And since 360 doesn't sell as good as MS hoped for it's pretty obvious what Europe is gonna buy.

It's that kind of complacency that's got Sony to this point IMHO. Yes 360 hasn't set the world afire yet in Europe, but it's supply is improving, the software sales are great by all accounts which will please publishers; it has the only next-gen Fifa in World Cup year where Xbox is the Official Sponsor no less, Oh yes, and Pro Evo is 360 only in 2006. That is similar to the Madden situation in the US IMO.

And to top it all, there will be quite a few folk (I know a couple) that were holding off on 360 because they didn't know if, wait for it... Grand Theft Auto would be on it... and that's answered now as well.
 
Do The Mario said:
That’s great for you but you doesn’t = Everybody

Sure if somebody is going to use all those features you could justify the price but why pay for stuff you are not going to use?


But $1000 Australian!!! OMFG!!! :lol that is 50% more then a 360!

Yeah, it would be difficult to justify a PS3 if I were a poor ass :p

Nah, I am a poor ass, I've just planned ahead for this generation, and picked up the TVs at really good prices.
 
travisbickle said:
Does anyone have the sales figures for the xbox 360 in Europe, especially Britain, is it doing well?

Last numbers were from ubisoft (sales till march) and it was at 600,000 units for the entire region with no shortages. Very weak sales.
 
One thing's for sure, it will be interesting to see if there are SKU packaging or pricing adjustments at E3 next year - or if things go badly even before E3.
 
Zaptruder said:
Yeah, it would be difficult to justify a PS3 if I were a poor ass :p

Nah, I am a poor ass, I've just planned ahead for this generation, and picked up the TVs at really good prices.


1.I am not a poor arse, but I will be next year if I do honors and can’t work, then I am saving up for my Europe trip next year

2.The price is a huge problem because Sony is virtually forcing you to buy what M$ has made optional for the 360.

3.These futures are not necessary so why make them standard?

I don’t really care because I am no longer interested in a PS3 at all.
 
teiresias said:
One thing's for sure, it will be interesting to see if there are SKU packaging or pricing adjustments at E3 next year - or if things go badly even before E3.

If I were Sony I would drop the price the time the console stops selling out. On the other hand we don't know how much the console costs for Sony so I'm not really sure about that.
 
Do The Mario said:
1.I am not a poor arse, but I will be next year if I do honors and can’t work, then I am saving up for my Europe trip next year

2.The price is a huge problem because Sony is virtually forcing you to buy what M$ has made optional for the 360.

3.These futures are not necessary so why make them standard?

I don’t really care because I am no longer interested in a PS3 at all.

Yeah and we all see where that got them. HDD is not a standard for the console, it has a ridiculous HD-DVD strapon for HD movies not to mention the games are limited to 7 GB and a wi-fi accessory that costs 100$. Great deals.
 
Do The Mario said:
1.I am not a poor arse, but I will be next year if I do honors and can’t work, then I am saving up for my Europe trip next year

2.The price is a huge problem because Sony is virtually forcing you to buy what M$ has made optional for the 360.

3.These futures are not necessary so why make them standard?

I don’t really care because I am no longer interested in a PS3 at all.

Because the differences between the PS3 and the X360 is what will in the end be seen as an advantage for the PS3.

By not guaranteeing a hard drive for the X360, Developers are forced to develop for the lower spec version without optimizing for the HDD. Sure they can still use the HDD, but the key difference is optimizing the games to use it.

Also no 360 game will feature CG heavily (maybe a good thing or a bad thing, but it's a deficit in terms of options available to the developer).

Are you simply not intrested in the PS3 due to price or because you didn't like the games you saw? The former seems like such a "well now you've told me to do that I won't do it" kind of thing.
 
We arent forced to buy those overpriced Xbox 360 accessories.. PS3 however, they come bundled with the console and you cant do jack shit other than not buy the console entirely or buy it with the overpriced junk... Btw a Wifi for Xbox 360 can be bought for far less than 100USD as long as you arent concerned about it being a non official Xbox 360 wifi bridge.
 
I think Sony built this system on a 10 year lifecycle. Blu Ray disc may not play a huge role for games now, but it is going too in 3 to 5 years. I'm pretty excited about the future of the PS3, as some unfinished games with 6 months of development time left look as good as the best 360 games out now. Once developers start using the gyro controller, it is going to help as well. Sony listened to peoples complaints about the controller, I hope they listen to people complaining about the lack of HDMI in the $499.99 model. The sooner the PS3 gets to $399.99, the sooner I'll allow myself to buy it. But if I have to wait for the $599.99 model to drop to $399.99, I will be waiting awhile.
 
Sure they can still use the HDD, but the key difference is optimizing the games to use it.

Like all the Xbox games that really utilised the hard drive? :lol

Best load times last gen : Metroid Prime

Other uses of Xbox hard drive? Blinx :lol :lol :lol
Prince of Persia showed that the Hard Drive was not *necessary*, au contraire the hard drive is a pricing anchor IMHO.

Does a hard drive help games and developers? Sure... is it essential? not until soemthing shows me otherwise.
Same goes with BluRay.
 
Shompola said:
We arent forced to buy those overpriced Xbox 360 accessories.. PS3 however, they come bundled with the console and you cant do jack shit other than not buy the console entirely or buy it with the overpriced junk... Btw a Wifi for Xbox 360 can be bought for far less than 100USD as long as you arent concerned about it being a non official Xbox 360 wifi bridge.

But wasn't the HDD standard what xbox fans were claiming xbox's biggest advantages over the competition was? I must've heard that a million times. Now it's just "overpriced junk"? Blu-ray was also necessary to be a standard since that would be the only way to have games not limited to 7GBs like 360.
 
Oh I agree I think the HDD should have been standard in all 360’s, but I was referring to wifi and HD DVD playback which I (plus many others on GAF not to mention casuals have no intention of using).

If you need WIFI for the 360 fine go pick it up, want to watch HD DVD movies thats great! But why make everybody pay for it?

If people want to turn there consoles into a media hub then let them, but don’t make it standard!!!

I am also disappointed that Nintendo didn’t provide an Ethernet port.

I am not interested in a PS3 because MGS4 looks sweet but no way am I playing $1000 AUD for it.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Like all the Xbox games that really utilised the hard drive? :lol

Best load times last gen : Metroid Prime

Other uses of Xbox hard drive? Blinx :lol :lol :lol
Prince of Persia showed that the Hard Drive was not *necessary*, au contraire the hard drive is a pricing anchor IMHO.

Does a hard drive help games and developers? Sure... is it essential? not until soemthing shows me otherwise.
Same goes with BluRay.

I didn't own (and still don't) a Xbox or a GC, but hey, at least the potential is there to take advantage of the thing. If developers choose to use it or not that's upto them, but it does mean that the developers that want to take maximum advantage of the unit can do so.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Like all the Xbox games that really utilised the hard drive? :lol

Best load times last gen : Metroid Prime

Other uses of Xbox hard drive? Blinx :lol :lol :lol
Prince of Persia showed that the Hard Drive was not *necessary*, au contraire the hard drive is a pricing anchor IMHO.

Does a hard drive help games and developers? Sure... is it essential? not until soemthing shows me otherwise.
Same goes with BluRay.

Best load times Metroid Prime? You're crazy. Retro did some good jobs at masking load times. The doors hid a lot of the load times. Sometimes you would have to sit by them for 5 to 10 seconds before they would open up. Games with huge persistent worlds would get the nod over Metroid Prime.
 
Do The Mario said:
I thought the elevators in metroid prime were glorified loading screens?

Now see, why'd you have to go wreck the illusion for him like that? The developers did a damn good job at hiding it to him! :p
 
Do The Mario said:
If you need WIFI for the 360 fine go pick it up, want to watch HD DVD movies thats great! But why make everybody pay for it?


Guess what. The PS3 without HDMI and wifi is £100s cheaper, there's your answer.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Like all the Xbox games that really utilised the hard drive? :lol

Best load times last gen : Metroid Prime

Other uses of Xbox hard drive? Blinx :lol :lol :lol

Prince of Persia showed that the Hard Drive was not *necessary*, au contraire the hard drive is a pricing anchor IMHO.

Does a hard drive help games and developers? Sure... is it essential? not until soemthing shows me otherwise.
Same goes with BluRay.

Well giving a feature like that to PC developers (because let's face it most of xbox's devs are PC ones) who

1) Have gotten used to PCs and don't consider it an additional feature
2) Wouldn't know what innovation is even if it hit them in the head

isn't the best course of action. Let's see what the japanese can do, although I agree with you for now. I always thought hdds aren't that important. Thing is, xbox fans did and that's what's really funny.

Anyway by claiming that blu-ray is not important you sound like a hardcore Nintendo fan claiming that next-gen graphics aren't that important. It's an asset to the games either for better textures and bigger worlds or even for CG.

Horrible thread.

Stop naming "horrible" any thread you don't like. Please.
 
Retro did some good jobs at masking load times. The doors hid a lot of the load times.

Ok, maybe 'best' load times is an exaggeration, but the point is that with no harddrive, and a bit of developer ingenuity Prime was a far more seamless experience that plenty of games on the Xbox that had the harddrive - Deus Ex, Half-Life 2, Far Cry plenty of Xbox games had really poor load times. Possibly they might have been worse without the hard drive, but I remain singularly unconvinced of it's necessity. It's a nice to have, but not essential.

What other stuff did Xbox hard drive offer? Custom soundtracks? 360 can now do that by plugging in a music player - so that negates the hard drive as well. the custom soundtrack stuff took too long anway IMHO, though I'm sure it was a useful feature for a lot of people.
 
fortified_concept said:
Yeah and we all see where that got them. HDD is not a standard for the console, it has a ridiculous HD-DVD strapon for HD movies not to mention the games are limited to 7 GB and a wi-fi accessory that costs 100$. Great deals.
This is the point missed here. Not everyone (i.e. the vast majority) need something that does everything. They want, first and foremost, to play games on these new games consoles. Those things you mention are primarily extraneous features not necessary to gaming. Especially the movie playback. It's nice when you feel that the feature is there and you don't feel lilke you've had to pay for it...which is how it was with the PS2 and its DVD playback. It's icing.

The HDD hasn't proved to be critical for anything outside of storing shit like downloadables and ripped content. Gaming-wise, it will have little impact on the vast majority of games and, IMO, won't mean anything between the two systems where that is concerned. If it's an issue for the X360 core, you simply upgrade and get an HDD for your system. No biggie for the vast majority of games and gamers since I find it hard to believe you'll see many force the issue. Wi-fi? It's nice and somewhat commonplace for geeky people, but it's also not the way the majority of people connect. Not yet, anyway.

Down the road, yeah, the PS3 is a better deal for all that it includes...when the price comes down. For the first couple of years, I don't think so. Even then, standalone players and the compeition's consoles will have come down in price. At some point, most people balk at a level of price which deviates from the others in the same category: gaming consoles. It's awesome for people to want to find all of their desires met in a single package, but not everyone wants (or can) justify the price for it. People make do with what they can after compromise. It's how the mainstream consumer works. There's a reason people buy more cheap brands and less fully-featured items in a given category. There's a reason places like Wal-Mart dominate a nation's purchases and purchasing habits. Price and the reality of having to pay it.
 
It's a shitty situation to be in if you like Playstation franchises, but apparently Blu-Ray is a double edged sword. It's a competative advantage that many have been looking forward to, but the cost seems to have majorly gotten away from Sony.

I honestly believe that they're pricing this as low as they can without killing the company, which says something. They put all their eggs in the CELL/Blu-Ray basket and it's come back to bite them and us in the ass.

The next 12 months should be incredibly interesting as the dominance of the Playstation brand is going to be put to a SEVERE test and we'll see if it's as strong in Japan, Europe, and even the US as many here think. It will be a testament to that strength if they can somehow manage a complete sell out of 4M units in 2006 with this pricing and 6M by March 2007. I'm not quite sure they can do it.

I do know however, that, on paper, it's a damn good system, but we absolutely are paying for Blu-Ray and not getting the free ride many of us hoped for.
I'm not prepared to scapegoat Blu-Ray as the primary culprit for the high pricing here. In all of the discussions regarding the cost of BD vs HDDVD it's always been the BD media manufacturing that's been cited for incurring higher costs than HDDVD, not physical hardware required. Toshiba's first HDDVD players basically have most of the components of midrange media center PC built into them, which would normally sell for hundreds of dollars more than the HDDVD players are priced at, even without an HDDVD drive inside.

As for the next 12 months, IF the PS3 sells through its stock at these prices, I would tend to think that will have more to do with us having underestimated the general public's cap on luxury spending than on the power of the Playstation brand.
 
travisbickle said:
Guess what. The PS3 without HDMI and wifi is £100s cheaper, there's your answer.

That’s a fair enough point, But then you run into the problem of poor value for money for the Very traded pack, if your going to fork out that kind of money for a console you might as well go the whole hog.
 
Anyway claiming that blu-ray is not important you sound like a hardcore Nintendo fan claiming that next-gen graphics aren't that important.
:lol

I didn't claim it was unimportant, i stated I am unconvinced as to how necessary it is. If something comes along that can't be done on DVD and wows me then we'll talk. In fact that pitiful usage of the Xbox hard drive and the way it was touted initially (by both MS and Xbots) is one of the main reasons I'm unconvined by BluRay in a games capacity.

I *am* however very interested in BluRay from a Movie and mass storage/back up point of view.
 
Do The Mario said:
That’s a fair enough point, But then you run into the problem of poor value for money for the Very traded pack, if your going to fork out that kind of money for a console you might as well go the whole hog.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Don't write of sony straight away, I believe the cell and bluray will make a massive difference to next generation, it may take a year or two but I think it will be worth the extra money.
 
Do The Mario said:
That’s a fair enough point, But then you run into the problem of poor value for money for the Very traded pack, if your going to fork out that kind of money for a console you might as well go the whole hog.

aren't you contradicting yourself here? You forgo 'unecessary' features and you get it for a cheaper price. You pay more for better value, and suddenly you have 'unecessary' features.

You just can't win can you? :p
 
MightyHedgehog said:
This is the point missed here. Not everyone (i.e. the vast majority) need something that does everything. They want, first and foremost, to play games on these new games consoles. Those things you mention are primarily extraneous features not necessary to gaming. Especially the movie playback. It's nice when you feel that the feature is there and you don't feel lilke you've had to pay for it...which is how it was with the PS2 and its DVD playback. It's icing.

The HDD hasn't proved to be critical for anything outside of storing shit like downloadables and ripped content. Gaming-wise, it will have little impact on the vast majority of games and, IMO, won't mean anything between the two systems where that is concerned. If it's an issue for the X360 core, you simply upgrade and get an HDD for your system. No biggie for the vast majority of games and gamers since I find it hard to believe you'll see many force the issue. Wi-fi? It's nice and somewhat commonplace for geeky people, but it's also not the way the majority of people connect. Not yet, anyway.

Down the road, yeah, the PS3 is a better deal for all that it includes...when the price comes down. For the first couple of years, I don't think so. Even then, standalone players and the compeition's consoles will have come down in price. At some point, most people balk at a level of price which deviates from the others in the same category: gaming consoles. It's awesome for people to want to find all of their desires met in a single package, but not everyone wants (or can) justify the price for it. People make do with what they can after compromise. It's how the mainstream consumer works. There's a reason people buy more cheap brands and less fully-featured items in a given category. There's a reason places like Wal-Mart dominate a nation's purchases and purchasing habits. Price and the reality of having to pay it.

Like I explained both hdd (less) and blu-ray (much much more) are necessary for better games.

But what's the great thing about your post is watching an old xbox fan attacking the hdd idea which btw is absolutely hilarious. T
 
Do The Mario said:
That’s a fair enough point, But then you run into the problem of poor value for money for the Very traded pack, if your going to fork out that kind of money for a console you might as well go the whole hog.

That's the logic Sony wants us to follow. I'm not a sucker and since 720p is fine by me and I won't need the wi-fi they can go fuck themselves. I'm buying the core pack.
 
Zaptruder said:
aren't you contradicting yourself here? You forgo 'unecessary' features and you get it for a cheaper price. You pay more for better value, and suddenly you have 'unecessary' features.

You just can't win can you? :p

The problem is both packs are too expensive I don’t consider either good value for money when compared to a premium 360. If I DID buy a PS3 I would get the premo version because if I am going to spend $830AUD on a console I might as well spend $1000 and get the HDD upgrade plus a non gimped version (I mean the difference is a Saturday night clubbing).

My bottom line is
Sony shouldn’t have packed in so much and made the console more affordable
Additions should be purchased externally as consumers need them.
I am not defending M$ I don’t think they shouldn't have had a core pack.
 
fortified_concept said:
Like I explained both hdd (less) and blu-ray (much much more) are necessary for better games.

But what's the great thing about your post is watching an old xbox fan attacking the hdd idea which btw is absolutely hilarious. T
The HDD on the XBOX was so ridiculously underused for games it was fucking pathetic. It pissed me off. I was damned happy when anyone bothered to use it to dramatically cut load times and reduce reloads of data. Mostly though, it's primary value to XBOX users was custom soundtracks and never having to buy a memory card. I love the potential that large rewritable media has for many games, but, so far, it hasn't panned out convincingly in any console one. I am a proponent of standardized features, like the HDD. But forgive me for being skeptical of it's widespread utilization for decent enhancement after XBOX...outside of it being a huge mem card, anyway. I still think that MS should have made it standard on all systems and ditched the tard pack.

Blu-Ray=better games? Let's wait and see how many games need that extra space for anything game critical that couldn't be done comparably well on a system with just a DVD. FMVs and movies? No big loss there, IMO.
 
I don't normally fall for GAF hype.

When tons of Gaffers said that the system would be $399 with HDD, Blu-Ray movies, and a wireless controller, I said no way. Some said $299, lollerskates. I said it wouldn't happen and I was right.

But I did fall for the trojan Blu-Ray hype, and I'm ashamed of myself. Conventional GAF wisdom has been saying for a good while that Sony was going to stealth Blu-Ray players into homes by putting it inside of their mainstream gaming console. That didn't happen. You are paying for the Blu-Ray, and selling systems for $200+ more than both competitors for an entire generation may price Sony right out of the mainstream.

The 'tard SKU should have been $399, with HDMI and a 20gb hard drive. It would come with a wired controller and it wouldn't play movies unless you buy a $50 'unlock' kit. You would have to buy adapters for wi-fi and memory cards. This SKU would be received very differently at GAF and by the mainstream gaming public.

It is interesting to read the home theater sites. Their general consenus is that any gamer who balks at $599 for the PS3 is a freakin' moron. I think eBay prices will still be very healthy this xmas.
 
Do The Mario said:
The problem is both packs are too expensive I don’t consider either good value for money when compared to a premium 360. If I DID buy a PS3 I would get the premo version because if I am going to spend $830AUD on a console I might as well spend $1000 and get the HDD upgrade plus a non gimped version (I mean the difference is a Saturday night clubbing).

My bottom line is
Sony shouldn’t have packed in so much and made the console more affordable
Additions should be purchased externally as consumers need them.
I am not defending M$ I don’t think they shouldn't have had a core pack.

Shit man. You spend a lot clubbing.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
The 'tard SKU should have been $399, with HDMI and a 20gb hard drive. It would come with a wired controller and it wouldn't play movies unless you buy a $50 'unlock' kit. You would have to buy adapters for wi-fi and memory cards. This SKU would be received very differently at GAF and by the mainstream gaming public.

I'm not sure making a wired controller would have saved any cash in that regard. I think the tard SKU could have been done much better, but not how you are suggesting.

beermonkey@tehbias said:
It is interesting to read the home theater sites. Their general consenus is that any gamer who balks at $599 for the PS3 is a freakin' moron. I think eBay prices will still be very healthy this xmas.

This is exactly the reason they did the packaging and pricing the way they did it. It has more to do with the Blu-Ray market than with the gaming market. Not so much the consumers, but I think it had alot to do with appeasing other Blu-Ray hardware manufacturers (at least in terms of the removal of the HDMI output, though apparently removing HDMI also does get rid of another IC chip on the mainboard since HDMI requires an extra chip aside from RSX).
 
sonycowboy said:
360
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+ DVD is faster than PS3's optical media

According to what I'm reading DVD transfer speed is 1.32MB/s so Xbox360's 12x drive is 15.85MB/s. Wikipedia says this about Blu-ray, "Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development."

Am I missing something?
 
teiresias said:
I'm not sure making a wired controller would have saved any cash in that regard.

It would have saved at least some cash, and it would increase revenue by selling more high-margin aftermarket controllers.
 
I'd like to point out that a standard HDD certainly didn't help the load times in Morrowind. In fact, I can't think of one innovative use of the HDD from last generation. The only really genre you can make a case for it being essential is MMORPG games.
 
Gravitom said:
According to what I'm reading DVD transfer speed is 1.32MB/s so Xbox360's 12x drive is 15.85MB/s. Wikipedia says this about Blu-ray, "Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development."

Am I missing something?

108/8=13.5
 
The value of the $599 SKU depends entirely on whether Blu-Ray is going to win the format wars.

Point taken that the $499 box is pretty comprable to the Xbox 360, but it's still $100 more. Is that $100 worth it? You get a likely better selecion of games (although MS is making huge inroads in that regrad) and somewhat better gfx (IMHO, no flames please). If there were a way (and there may be) to upgrade to HDMI later that would take the sting off a bit-- if Blu-Ray takes off, you can sink in the extra cash. Right now, you can't do that.



One side note, for me: Sony's pricing has put the PS3 in competition with other home theater equipment rather than other videogame systems. I'm looking to upgrade my living-room PC, and the PS3 is in the same ballpark for cost. The PC (likely a MacMini) will do more than the PS3, although it won't play games as well and won't do BluRay. But it's media functions are a zillion times better. That's what Sony is really competing with in my living room.
 
Do The Mario said:
Forget sony, fuck drink prices at night clubs!!!!

You really need to have drinks somewhere before you go out.

I don't drink (allergic to alcohol) or smoke, so I guess that's where I save the monies :p
 
Gravitom said:
According to what I'm reading DVD transfer speed is 1.32MB/s so Xbox360's 12x drive is 15.85MB/s. Wikipedia says this about Blu-ray, "Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development."

Am I missing something?

bits versus bytes. The DVD figures are in MegaBytes, but the Blu-Ray figures are in MegaBits.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I don't normally fall for GAF hype.

When tons of Gaffers said that the system would be $399 with HDD, Blu-Ray movies, and a wireless controller, I said no way. Some said $299, lollerskates. I said it wouldn't happen and I was right.

But I did fall for the trojan Blu-Ray hype, and I'm ashamed of myself. Conventional GAF wisdom has been saying for a good while that Sony was going to stealth Blu-Ray players into homes by putting it inside of their mainstream gaming console. That didn't happen. You are paying for the Blu-Ray, and selling systems for $200+ more than both competitors for an entire generation may price Sony right out of the mainstream.

The 'tard SKU should have been $399, with HDMI and a 20gb hard drive. It would come with a wired controller and it wouldn't play movies unless you buy a $50 'unlock' kit. You would have to buy adapters for wi-fi and memory cards. This SKU would be received very differently at GAF and by the mainstream gaming public.

It is interesting to read the home theater sites. Their general consenus is that any gamer who balks at $599 for the PS3 is a freakin' moron. I think eBay prices will still be very healthy this xmas.
I didn't see it as hype so much as common sense. No matter who is backing Blu-Ray, it's still an unproven format. By pricing the PS3 at $399, Sony would have guaranteed another dominate $100 million+ victory, maybe more, that probably would have rendered the losses a moot point.
 
Onix said:
Seeing how that's a CRT TV (analog) ... leaving it in the analog domain is probably better in your case.

The sets these days typically digitize and process that incoming component image. HDMI still makes sense, as it keeps a digital signal digital as long as possible and minimized the number of conversions.
 
Gravitom said:
According to what I'm reading DVD transfer speed is 1.32MB/s so Xbox360's 12x drive is 15.85MB/s. Wikipedia says this about Blu-ray, "Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development."

Am I missing something?

yes, there are 8 bits in a Byte.

edit... I'm way too slow
 
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