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Does the resession in Japan have anything to do with the birthrate?
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Record low number of babies born in Japan
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I think us Gaffers could plow on through and squeeze them through this tight time.
SlaughterX
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Send me to Japan. I can fix this.
milanbaros
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You don't even know the difference between population growth and TFR.
Riposte
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Here is the thing:
1) Japan doesn't want you.
2) Japanese women can't have a child and work at the same time.
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Pfff, the problem could be easily solved if only the government would do the job properly:
- No visa needed for every foreigner
- easy naturalization, and you can keep your own nationality
- free day-care for all children, cut the spending of military for it and recruit grannys and gramps as assistants for this job
- introduce tax cuts for companies which hire married women and mothers. Alternatively, extra taxes for those which don't hire married women and mothers
- every children born in Japan can automatically have citizenship; again, double or triple nationality allowed
Just a bunch of measures they could take. You could even go further, just look at other countries' policy.
- No visa needed for every foreigner
- easy naturalization, and you can keep your own nationality
- free day-care for all children, cut the spending of military for it and recruit grannys and gramps as assistants for this job
- introduce tax cuts for companies which hire married women and mothers. Alternatively, extra taxes for those which don't hire married women and mothers
- every children born in Japan can automatically have citizenship; again, double or triple nationality allowed
Just a bunch of measures they could take. You could even go further, just look at other countries' policy.
CrocMother
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I'm talking about natural growth rate.
Bulgaria
Croatia
Baltic States
could go on but you get the picture
That sounds more like delaying the problem rather than a proper solution. What happens after those few billion more are here?
If a society depends on constant population growth to function, then that society is fundamentally flawed.
I almost died
I understand, but taking the economic factor out, isn`t depopulation a good thing? Overpopulation will be the biggest problem in the world if the growth continues. I think I read somewhere that there were just over 2 billion people in the world in the 40s, now there more than 7. Imagine how it will be in the 2050s. I don`t care about the economics, I care about the world. It don`t know if it can sustain more than 15 billion people
I doubt population will continue to grow at such a fast pace. I really hope not.
Charles Foster Kane
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I really hope that too. It just can`t be good.
milanbaros
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You think the ideal growth rate is 2.1%? And you think the US has that? Where do you get that info because its wrong.
I was referring to having an aged society with Japan.
CrocMother
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It's because we live in a world where our economy is also based on continuous growth. Countries have to borrow more and more to attract investors and keep an economy healthy and when the tax base needed to pay off that debt begins to decline they have a serious problem.
I agree it is fundamentally flawed, but it's the system mankind has chosen.
Who is going to pay for the old people?
Charles Foster Kane
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Just how I fell. It might hurt some business, but it will be great and envied long term.
It's a catch 22. The problem is that lower young population has to support the larger ageing population. Once they get past it in the next 30-50 decades, everything will be fine. It's that time which will be the problem. Every western society will experience it. America will experience it, they are lagging behind because they are a step behind the rest of the first world... in almost everything but GDP, Military Spending, the 1%-10%, and Olympics?
It's going to happen eventually, if you keep the population growing you're just going to have a larger amount of old people anyways. Countries will need to start controlling the population and keep it steady then.
Edit: What about China? do they have a larger amount of older people or younger? I know they control the population growth now.
Population has dropped where I'm from, only 3% but at least it's something (2000 vs 2010)
CrocMother
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ahh lol sorry you are right I got it confused with fertility rate pls forgive me I have all these stats in my head and sometimes I get them mixed up.
And you are right Japan is an especially bad case, but Eastern Europe isn't much better off
Its the same here in Australia. The best thing about this is all the hot foreign women walking around, and awesome foreign food places opening up.
I don't think we have many Mexicans living in Australia but finally there's some decent restaurants opening up. This is the one thing we really lack. Its very hard to get a decent Burrito or Taco in this country.
You Are Viewtiful
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There are less babies but how many robots are they making?
Preach it brother! I'm in Vancouver and there's so many tasty foreign women... and tasty restaurants
Unless you want the old people live in poverty, you need enough working people to support them.
That's why France's policy is fundamentally flawed. Sure, you can make them retire early, but it doesn't help the youth if they have to support the retired people heavily.
CrocMother
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Does that include Tex-mex?
Charles Foster Kane
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The price of overpopulation will be much higher/drastic than a lot of older people. I mean It`s not like they are going extinct, there will always be young people. Depopulation or balacing the population is good.
evil solrac v3.0
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yeah and if we want to survive another century we better start thinking on how to change that system because nothing lasts.
but don't you think the environment is where it is now because of human population explosion? reduce that and you reduce the strain and hurt on the environment and resources. I mean, we're running out of Helium for god's sake, HELIUM!
SlaughterX
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Japan totally wants me, I get all types of Facebook invites to events and stuff.
Also, two words, or is it three... baby backpack!
CrocMother
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I think it has less to do with the population and more to do with level of consumption per capita. With modern technology (and future technology), we could drastically reduce the environmental impact even with a growing population.
If every country does this than would we really have cultural diversity in the world? Every country would just become more or less the same.
This system kinda works places like Canada or the US, but it doesn't works as well in countries who aren't the product of immigration and with a ethno-cultural identity, like Japan. Heck, Japan is so xenophobic they even have a hard time accepting Japanese returnees (namely Japanese-Brazilians).
So, this means that in a close future people will have more space for their hotel rooms in japan ?
wouldn't mind living like that if it meant cheap as fuck rent
only really have a laptop and a phone and a backpack tbh
all I need is that and a bathroom with a shower and a sink + toilet
You actually believe people who are used to this lifestyle will change? Pretty unlikely, at least those who are already born. You could educate those who are going to be born though.
Well something has to give, and I'd rather it be a 1-generation problem than a never-ending loop. Either that or find a way to widen the roads and post 100 million more jobs across the planet.
You Are Viewtiful
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Smaller population would mean abandoned roads and infrastructure, even higher unemployment rate because companies shutting down because of labour shortages and lack of sales due to the shrinking of the market, and the whole economy would be in the shitter because GDP will shrink every year.
None of the problems you listed would be fixed with a smaller population.
I wonder what will happen when the Baby Boomer generation dies out, the next biggest one I believe is the Echo Boomer (which I am part of)
Both sides have their negatives. Overpopulation would bring a lot of negative things as well. That's why countries need to start controlling birth rates.
Both sides have their negatives. Overpopulation would bring a lot of negative things as well. That's why countries need to start controlling birth rates.
CrocMother
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You're right, a lot of change will have do be done by government restricting individual and corporate consumption.
Already started kinda doing this, for instance they are phasing out incandescent bulbs. Gonna need a lot more than that lol
BocoDragon
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Here's the thing:
It's the poor people in less developed countries of the world who are causing this overpopulation. Rich countries generally don't have enough children to even maintain the population (thanks to education, etc), and without immigration they would shrink.
So if a rich country doesn't maintain population, it's economy shrinks, and it will eventually become a poor country...... and start acting like a less developed country, and start having babies again!
It's in the interest of world stability for rich nations to maintain their populations, and for poor nations to become rich so they have less children (and in the meantime encourage smaller families).
Preach it brother! I'm in Vancouver and there's so many tasty foreign women... and tasty restaurants
Was just sampling them tonight... both of them
It's a beautiful night in Vancity!
Phoenix
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I understand, but taking the economic factor out, isn`t depopulation a good thing? Overpopulation will be the biggest problem in the world if the growth continues. I think I read somewhere that there were just over 2 billion people in the world in the 40s, now there more than 7. Imagine how it will be in the 2050s. I don`t care about the economics, I care about the world. It don`t know if it can sustain more than 15 billion people
Unless the rest of the world is following your lead all you're doing is scheduling the demise for your culture as you will become a weak target for the other nation states that want your resources. If you want to do something about the carrying capacity of the planet, low birth rates really isn't the answer unless you're advocating a zero or negative population growth.
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Japan is like ahead of everyone. Super economic power, ends up in a never-ending recession, super-low birth rate, and now they will try to save their race by developing a cure to stop aging.
It will be like a science-fiction novel. They will give immunity against aging to those who have kids, to preserve their race. Some Japanese will protest that not having access to immortality is the equivalent of being given a death sentence. The international community will complain, condemn Japan for ethical reasons, etc.
It would make for a good book.
It will be like a science-fiction novel. They will give immunity against aging to those who have kids, to preserve their race. Some Japanese will protest that not having access to immortality is the equivalent of being given a death sentence. The international community will complain, condemn Japan for ethical reasons, etc.
It would make for a good book.
Charles Foster Kane
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what if the population keeps growing like in the rest of world or like in India? Sure, the economics need the population growth to keep growing as a business, they need more people to keep buying more things; but what happens when we hit saturation point? what then?
There`s only so much the world can take.
I am willing to bet that will be much worse case scenario than what any decrease in population can ever create.
But the problem is that the population growth is being thrown out of balance with this decreasing birth rate. And how exactly is depopulation good here?
You keep positing it between excessive growth and decreasing population. There can be something in-between. Take a look at Detroit to see what happens with decreasing population.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
its not like they've got a whole lot of space anyway
Got a few spare million yen for all that child support?
CrocMother
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Think about this: India has 3x the population of the US, yet the US has over 3x the CO2 emissions of India.
If you are thinking on a global scale about the future of humanity, sheer population isn't necessarily the biggest concern.
If you are thinking on a global scale about the future of humanity, sheer population isn't necessarily the biggest concern.
BocoDragon
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That's actually the real problem....
Developed nations have less children... but each citizen uses like 3-5 times the resources of an undeveloped nation citizen
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