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Anyone who eats meat and is opposed to hunting is a massive hypocrite. You are just having someone else do the killing for you and in a far less humane way.

99% of hunters don't hunt just for trophies. They hunt for the meat and the experience of wildlife.

Shooting an unsuspecting animal is the most humane way they can possibly die. Animals don't die peacefully of old age surrounded by friends and family. They die mostly young and they either die eaten alive by a predator or by contracting a disease. Neither of which is preferable to a bullet and instant death in my opinion.

Hunting isn't easy and animals aren't defenceless. It takes huge skill and knowledge to track a deer down and get close enough for a shot without it hearing/smelling/seeing you. The hunter is at the disadvantage almost always.

Hunter tags, taxes and fees pay for almost all of the wildlife conservationd and habitat maintenance in the US and many other countries. Also for species that aren't hunted.

Except the part where by hunting said animals they're putting massive amounts of money towards conservation efforts.

Shockingly, a lot of things in the world get more complicated than "this is good/bad".

Yeah and almost always the specific animals they hunt have been designated as a problem individual eg. an old male that kills young ones but doesn't breed himself.

That and the money always goes towards conservation and/or helping the local people (who would otherwise probably poach the entire population for subsistence).

I hunt but wouldn't want to shoot an elephant or a lion. But if it's done like mentioned above I don't really see the big issue. It's not poaching.

 

[msdstc]

Anyone who eats meat and is opposed to hunting is a massive hypocrite. You are just having someone else do the killing for you and in a far less humane way.

99% of hunters don't hunt just for trophies. They hunt for the meat and the experience of wildlife.

Shooting an unsuspecting animal is the most humane way they can possibly die. Animals don't die peacefully of old age surrounded by friends and family. They die mostly young and they either die eaten alive by a predator or by contracting a disease. Neither of which is preferable to a bullet and instant death in my opinion.

Hunting isn't easy and animals aren't defenceless. It takes huge skill and knowledge to track a deer down and get close enough for a shot without it hearing/smelling/seeing you. The hunter is at the disadvantage almost always.

Hunter tags, taxes and fees pay for almost all of the wildlife conservationd and habitat maintenance in the US and many other countries. Also for species that aren't hunted.




Yeah and almost always the specific animals they hunt have been designated as a problem individual eg. an old male that kills young ones but doesn't breed himself.

That and the money always goes towards conservation and/or helping the local people (who would otherwise probably poach the entire population for subsistence).

I hunt but wouldn't want to shoot an elephant or a lion. But if it's done like mentioned above I don't really see the big issue. It's not poaching.

Again I'm not a hunter, but I do fish a lot, but it's catch and release. That being said I can confidently say that fishermen who actually take it at least somewhat seriously are good for fisheries and their environment. We take care of our fisheries and clean them, while also removing invasive species and surveying the bodies of water. It's massively frowned upon to litter, to use lead, hell pretty much anything that is even slightly destructive or dangerous towards the fish.

I would imagine hunters are similar.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Hunting is fine and trapping overpopulated predators, like coyotes, is fine. Most of the money from fees/licenses goes to maintaining forested recreation areas that everyone can enjoy.

Hunting culture in the USA is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that shrub camouflage pattern they all wear even when they aren't hunting. Go into a waffle house in rural Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.

Who cares what people wear? Better yet, why go to where these people live and criticize the way they are?

 

[Lasthope106]

I hate killing living things, but I'm not going to hate on hunters who do it responsibly.

You OP sound like a city boy. You should talk to some hunters before you bury them under the same stereotype. There are some assholes that go and kills elephants or Lions. Those are the assholes.

 

[Piggus]

OP probably gets all his meat from the grocery store or restaurants without a second thought about where it comes from or how it's processed.

I hunt upland game birds and deer for meat. I purchase a license to do so and contribute to what is essentially a conservation effort to keep wildlife populations under control. There's a reason hunting is regulated by the Department of Fish and Wildlife, which is responsible for conservation. Additionally, the money from licenses and tags goes directly to conservation efforts.

Hunting for sport (such as big game hunting in Africa) is something else entirely, which I'll never understand or support.

Hunting culture in the USA is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that shrub camouflage pattern they all wear even when they aren't hunting. Go into a waffle house in rural Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.

Wow, you sound like a wonderful person to be around.

 

[msdstc]

Hunting culture in the USA is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that shrub camouflage pattern they all wear even when they aren't hunting. Go into a waffle house in rural Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.

Yep you sound like a dick.

 

[Omegasquash]

I have a problem with trophy hunting. I don't have a problem with legal hunting with the intent to use as much of the animal as possible. Make sure nothing goes to waste. And protip, you can eat almost anything. Bear. Deer. Bird. You name it.

People that put heads on their walls give me the heebie-jeebies. Grew up with shit like that in other folks houses. Never did see the appeal. IMO, it's crass and barbaric.

 

[Mihos]

Hunting culture in the USA is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that shrub camouflage pattern they all wear even when they aren't hunting. Go into a waffle house in rural Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.

This reads like a madlib
____________ culture in ____________is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that ___________they all wear even when they aren't ________ . Go into a ________ in ___________________, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.


I have been hunting a few times, but I never got anything except mosquito bites. I catch tons of fish though. Usually only keep a few catfish and maybe a few crappie. Usually eat those while we are still on the lake.

 

[gatling]

Hunting culture in the USA is trashy and they all dress like shit. I can't stand that shrub camouflage pattern they all wear even when they aren't hunting. Go into a waffle house in rural Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc... They all are wearing it and look like fucking idiots.

I agree with you on part of this, the casual wear part, but would still laugh at your vitriol because everyone knows that guy that flails around.

 

[Moose Biscuits]

People that put heads on their walls give me the heebie-jeebies. Grew up with shit like that in other folks houses. Never did see the appeal. IMO, it's crass and barbaric.

I agree. I feel like deer butts are much more sublime and classy.

 

[Valhelm]

Hunting is the most ethical and sustainable way to gather meat. While the act of killing makes me pretty queasy, allowing an animal to live a full life in the wild is without exception more humane than the industrialized torture that we call the meat industry.

As somebody who likes meat a lot, I would sleep more soundly if I knew my steak came from wild cattle rather than chained-up livestock.

 

[I Stalk Alone]

Hunting animals that are not for the purpose of food or population control to balance the natural habitat is definitely wrong, however some animals need to be by hunted so that their high numbers do not destroy the natural ecosystem. For example in Australia horses, camels, water buffalos, kangaroos some wild goats rabbits have become pests. Collingwood supporters as well as Richmond supporters and recently bulldogs supporters have also increased in numbers and also need to be hunted down to reduce the numbers of toothless motherfuckers parading the streets.

 

[hwalker84]

Most, if not all, of the populations of animals allowed to be hunted have to be carefully controlled or they become a threat to both themselves and humans. This is especially true with deer, who will breed themselves to starvation and become an outright menace to drivers.

I've never personally known a hunter that didn't actually use the meat. I'm sure they're around but they're still necessary to preventing overpopulation.

That said, I'm not surprised that such a misguided rant comes from a guy who would defend well-done steak.

Don't hunt myself but in Western PA almost everyone I know hunts. The Deer population has gotten so out of hand in certain areas that rules are getting relaxed. Townships are hiring hunters allowing them to bow hunt at almost any time.

 

[Thatonemoor]

My parents have messed up 2 cars because a deer jumped out in front of them and stared in the headlights. Fuck deer.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

If you're eating the meat then it's all good as long as it's not some endangered/protected species. Morally speaking, it's better to hunt your own food than to get some meat from the store.

My parents have messed up 2 cars because a deer jumped out in front of them and stared in the headlights. Fuck deer.

Yea, fuck those deer. They need to learn the traffic laws!

 

[LosDaddie]

Yes because they're not cute.

Thanks.

I take my daughter fishing once every month or so, and didn't want to be indoctrinating her with evil fishing traditions.

When I've been lake fishing there is a limit on how small the fish can be. Anything under 10" had to be thrown back.

Hell, there are molded rulers on the coolers we used so we could measure fish that we couldn't just eyeball.

Yeah. I have a shoreline and boat fishing licenses and my friend who owns the boat has one of those rulers on his cooler.

I always release whatever I catch on the shoreline. It's just for fun.

 

[Media]

yep see my edit. most hunting days ended with some can plinking and a drive home.

and everyone i know after a kill has a moment where they thank the animal.

Yeah me too. My family even has a little prayer ceremony they preform after getting a deer.

 

[cromofo]

I'm all for bashing trophy hunters but people who hunt for food do not deserve bashing.

If anything, most of the hunters care more about animals and nature than the self-identified tree-huggers on the internet.

 

[AMUSIX]

I'm fine with hunting (well, not trophy hunting, those guys can go fuck themselves) but it always cracks me up when "we have to keep the deer population in check!" is used as a defense. Nature was on top of that until hunters did their thing.

 

[Moose Biscuits]

If anything this thread just reminded me of that hunting game that's supposed to come to PS4 sometime this year. I have no issue with hunting, but I'd be a bit squeamish to do it myself; virtual hunting seems like it'd be fun, though!

 

[Sober6809]

Anyone who eats meat and is opposed to hunting is a massive hypocrite. You are just having someone else do the killing for you and in a far less humane way.

99% of hunters don't hunt just for trophies. They hunt for the meat and the experience of wildlife.

Shooting an unsuspecting animal is the most humane way they can possibly die. Animals don't die peacefully of old age surrounded by friends and family. They die mostly young and they either die eaten alive by a predator or by contracting a disease. Neither of which is preferable to a bullet and instant death in my opinion.

Hunting isn't easy and animals aren't defenceless. It takes huge skill and knowledge to track a deer down and get close enough for a shot without it hearing/smelling/seeing you. The hunter is at the disadvantage almost always.

Hunter tags, taxes and fees pay for almost all of the wildlife conservationd and habitat maintenance in the US and many other countries. Also for species that aren't hunted.




Yeah and almost always the specific animals they hunt have been designated as a problem individual eg. an old male that kills young ones but doesn't breed himself.

That and the money always goes towards conservation and/or helping the local people (who would otherwise probably poach the entire population for subsistence).

I hunt but wouldn't want to shoot an elephant or a lion. But if it's done like mentioned above I don't really see the big issue. It's not poaching.

Everyone loves sausage but no one wants to know how it's made.

I hunt deer and I fill my freezer every season and give a lot of the meat away to the needy and family. It's a great time as well, very peaceful and serene.

 

[TimeEffect]

I cant see how you can make any argument without coming off like a hypocrite. Unless you are completely vegan or something

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Yea, fuck those deer. They need to learn the traffic laws!

Obligatory move the deer crossing sign!

 

[darkside31337]

OP probably gets all his meat from the grocery store or restaurants without a second thought about where it comes from or how it's processed.

I hunt upland game birds and deer for meat. I purchase a license to do so and contribute to what is essentially a conservation effort to keep wildlife populations under control. There's a reason hunting is regulated by the Department of Fish and Wildlife, which is responsible for conservation. Additionally, the money from licenses and tags goes directly to conservation efforts.

Hunting for sport (such as big game hunting in Africa) is something else entirely, which I'll never understand or support.

I've been vegetarian for whats nearing a decade now and totally agree.

I don't have a problem with folks who hunt their own food. It means the person is actually thinking about what they're doing as opposed to folks who have no quarrels eating meat as long as its someone else slaughtering animals in completely gross and inhumane fashion.

Trophy hunters suck though.

 

[TheGameshark]

Deer hunting isn't the same as trophy hunting of endangered species. The deer population absolutely needs to be controlled because of the damage they'd do to forests and other animal populations. On most of the east coast the only real predators are like coyotes(which are part wolf) and us.

 

[.....]

I dont really have an issue with recreational hunting.

 

[choodi]

If you don't like recreational hunting, go do some research into the damage feral animals do to native species in Australia and then come back to me.

I'm more of a conservationist than almost every fucking inner-city, latte-sipping "greenie" combined.

 

[Frozenprince]

also half the secret of hunting is having a reason to be away from everyone for a day <_<

I used to hunt all the time (don't do it now for cost reasons) and half the reason was just to have my thoughts to myself and checking out nature.

Also for the record I still have zero kills to my name. The one time I had a good shot on an animal I pulled the trigger and just heard the click click because the safety was still on. My stepdad is in his late 50s and I think he has two total deer and a few birds.

God damn right lol. I hunt with a group of family friends that weve hunted with for literally generations but for the most part I go into the damn woods by myself for 6-10 hours of glorious peace and quiet

 

[PipefishUK]

The fuck you smoking? Of course they are

Raccoons and possum??

 

[PipefishUK]

Deer hunting is not banned in the UK. It's controlled in the same way that the United States controls it: season open/closure based on various descriptors of the game involved.



What superpower are you using that allows you to glean the personal motivations of hundreds of thousands of people at once?

The fact that the Tory government were going to introduce Bill to repeal the ban on fox hunting even though nearly 90% of the public is against it - when they thought they'd have a huge majority. Then abandoned it as soon as it turned out they didn't have a majority.

 

[Sunster]

Most, if not all, of the populations of animals allowed to be hunted have to be carefully controlled or they become a threat to both themselves and humans. This is especially true with deer, who will breed themselves to starvation and become an outright menace to drivers.

I've never personally known a hunter that didn't actually use the meat. I'm sure they're around but they're still necessary to preventing overpopulation.

That said, I'm not surprised that such a misguided rant comes from a guy who would defend well-done steak.

because we hunted all their predators